Topic: Merit - right to consensus (Read 937 times)

That is a strong word you used there mate, by combining your word on the post before, you re saying everyone of Indonesian members here have alt-accounts? Please once again, restrain yourself from posting something bad and doesnt have a valid data to confirm, it wont make you free from the negative trust and have a potential to make things worst. Pointing something bad out without valid data can be considered as bad things, and even if you know some of them have alt accounts doesnt mean "everyone" has alt-accounts, dont generalize things man.

It is fine if they want to earn here but they have to follow the rules first. If you think there is good money to be made with bounties here, work for it. Also, we should understand that this forum needs to be spam free and credible if we want those bounties to exist forever.

I don't say about developers or rich people. I say about ordinary people from poor countries like Indeonesia etc. who trying earn some money without special education or other skills. Ofcourse spammers and farmers must be banned and I fully support whoever fighting against them. But that's the charge about one merit, crushed me...

I have an alt account, with merit to give, and I haven't "experimented" with it.  I figured out how the merit system worked by giving merits to posts I thought were worthwhile reading.  So don't give that tired old excuse that everyone is commiting murder, so why am I the only one on trial? --it won't hold any water on bitcointalk.

I feel such a failure. I haven't even got an ego, let alone an alter to give extra merit.

OMG!!! 

This is real discussion ever! Honestly, I enjoyed reading everyone's reply.

@Hallastera How far you imagined  that Actmyname=Lauda? Haha
can you prove it?

Even this is real discussion we aren't given an authority to pinpoint anyone whom we suspected as blablabla without providing strong evidence to prove the identity. If you practice that kind of attitude until now, I think I can conclude that you are real shitposter. But if not, then you can change your way of interacting to our fellow to gain to yourself that knowledge is not base on how long we participate but by how many times we do searching and reading. BTW, don't make too much noisy. Merit is not for you alone, but for all improvements.

I rather strongly suggest that better do more improvement. Avoid unnecessary to not end yourself sceptical.

Alright, I have no stats but I think admin knows better than I. I just want to wish every old members so that they fight against frauds like ponzi or another scam. They're accusing me of "farming one merit". Nevermind, there is no sense chating anymore.

You re wasting your time to teach that untrusted liar quin.

For you OP, if you re a man of your word, and you claim that you re an honest people, why didnt you leave word like "my alt account" like quin said?
Even if legendary member doing that, it will be considered as an untrustworthy act, i know that some legendary has alt account, but they told people that this account is my alt , not like what you did.
Everyone has alt account? Well, you just make another empty word without valid data, you know what people call that? Bullshit.

That's where you are getting it wrong. There are many thousands of Hero and Legendary accounts but only a handful have been selected to get into Default Trust. theymos picks the DT1 members (it's his forum) and they pick the DT2 members. Those decisions are made on the based on reputation and contribution to the community, not seniority.

Of course, those members ratings carry more weight than a Newbie, they earned that position.

Sorry for my English. Rank is not a factor but if you have rank = you have strong trust network. Usurpators will ignorance arguments from newbies and newbies will deleted from their networks.

I don't like to criticise people's English when they're speaking a second language but I really cannot make out what that means. I think you are still under the misunderstanding that the trust system is somehow related to rank. It is not.

Try reading this to find out how it works.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/marketplace-trust-211858

tl:dr

Trust is based on your own trust network, you can exclude people on DT if you want. Older ratings and those involving larger amounts of BTC count more, rank is not a factor.
 

When member doing feedbacks after legendary feedbacks that it's system calculate point legendary above than member. When I have bitcoin node at home but he would be below than another nodes - it's bullshit.

The trust system is separate from the moderators.


Then why are you still proclaiming your innocence?


The system works equally for members of all ranks. The trust system is not directly connected to rank, it's just that to build up enough of a good reputation to be included in Default Trust you obviously will have been here a long time.

You tried to fool people into trusting your alt account by leaving a false trust statement. This system has worked to stop you. I don't think we need your advice on how to run things.

Pre-moderate system it's when forum has moderators who decides this review is true or false.
But anyway I don't want to change anything in my profile. I want show you how works this system for newbies except for scammers when legendary have this rights. Let's same rights for legendary and member.

It doesn't matter what you thought but "premoderate" isn't a word.

All that matters is that people here think your actions make you untrustworthy and therefore your accounts have been marked accordingly. That isn't going to change by you continuing this conversation. You'll save yourself a lot of time when you understand that.

I'm just answered about it that I thought trust system maybe have premoderate.

You left this trust to your alt "Only positive things from this user. He and i founders of news blog for bitcoin and he is good worth for crypto community."

If you were honest you might have said: "This is my alt account."

That is the root of what happened to you.

Be honest with yourself about twink accounts.

Accounts connected: HALLASTERA (uuid = 1061902) and kinki32 (uuid = 1257862). Trust farming (https://i.imgur.com/EegIZYl.png) and merit farming.
Oh no, I spended my one merit to my twink - I'm a criminal
System of Trust created against fraud or for traded relations, but not for  @account connected or ONE merit farming@.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872 look here he is mad

Yeap when writed It I thought that system of trust may be premoderated. But I was wrong because everyone who have legendary account may write lying or without reason feedback for new members.

That's not true.


If you were just 'testing' the trust system why didn't you delete the trust after you found out whatever you think you needed to test?

Don't even bother answering that as you are wasting your time. You got caught and the red trust on both your accounts isn't going away. That doesn't stop you participating in the forum if you want to continue, it just warns people that your accounts are connected.

Everyone from this forum has another account but everyone trying to be hide them but i'm not. I just wanted test red trust from member == green trust from legendary or not. I said it higher, if man want to hide own another account, he wouldn't use one MEW adress or to exchange trusts.

Giving one merit was how you got caught. You used two accounts and pretended to be different people even leaving trust for your invented alter ego. You are a fraud and you have been marked.

My eyes be dazzled with your words. OMG!

1.Attitude towards beginners is bad. I completely outraged by the usurpers of power in this forum.

2. I'm surprised by your logic when you give to another people red trust for one merit.

3. If you're a fraud, you must be marked. If you gave one merit to your twink only for test because one merit it makes no sense then legendaries marked you. Now you understand comparison?

Oh my you really are stupid aren't you..

It's good rules but old school people from this forum configured for beginners very bad.. can you please translate this into English
I am at a loss from the brains of these people.. can you please translate this into English
When you are not scammer or ponzi founder or other shits .. can you please translate this into English

thanks

It's good rules but old school people from this forum configured for beginners very bad. When you are not scammer or ponzi founder or other shits  then you receive untrust with comments "farming merits and trusts" for one merit and trust. I am at a loss from the brains of these people...

 
 

Here to you no one should not! You are here on a visit or you accept forum rules or not!

First, I did not hide my second account.
Second, I did not farm merits, I only sent one merit to my another account. And same thing I did test with trust system because someone gave me red trust. Merits owners today sell out or giving for friends about >50 merits. And I was bad because gave 1 merit to my twink lol.
Good to you and love with Lauda

Thanks for reminding me, plus giving me all the more reason to tag both of the #1061902 “HALLASTERA” and #1257862 “kinki32” accounts:

#1 No you didnt violate the rules of the forum, you are not banned. Scammers are not banned either, its not a violation of the rules. The trust system works in addition to the rules.

#2 You clearly understand merit and trust are important, hance you gave it yourself.

#3 You either have mutliple personalities[1] or you clearly understood that giving yourself a positive trust rating would not look good. Thus you worded it in a way that HALLASTERA and kinki32 are not the same person. In case your dementia also kicks in, here is a screenshot.



#3.1 you clearly wanted to hide your second account or your first, whichever is which.

#4 You lied and tried to bullshit your way out of the situation.

#5 Go away.

[1] does not change a thing, but get help maybe?

There is no need to that. In fact, the people with most number of merits (merit sources) are not declared. This is done so that no one troubles them or begs from them.

I have no allergy to work, but it's not fair when you must to kiss ass anybody who have merits so that up status on forum

That’s a real insult to those of us newer users who have been working hard, and having our hard work recognized with merit.

But at least you more or less openly admit that your objection to the merit system is medical:  You have an allergy to hard work.  Dirtball.

I can't relax because only for authority people system is good for another noname's it's badly! They spend merits from one to another and talking about "You want ranks? You must work hard because I came before you"

I didn’t do anything!  The grey aliens did it—and by that, I mean the hive-mind of you/Lauda/theymos/et al.  ← [new excuse of next user caught merit-farming]

(The crypto-lover in me tried to find a hidden message spelt out in the sizing and capitalization of those letters.  Either there isn’t one, or I fail at quick mental codebreaking—or I missed something because I have webfont-loading disabled for security reasons.  On the plus side, the chip implanted in my head by you/Lauda/the CIA is now downloading the forum oligarchy’s directives for persecuting and oppressing poor, innocent users such as HALLASTERA/kinki32.  —Oh!  I just now received a directive to say, “Muahahaha!”)

P.S., cultural cross-pollination:  Spamfighters on news.admin.net-abuse.email are all part of and/or on the payroll of a “lumber cartel”, which fears the competition of environmentally friendly e-mail advertising to deadtree spam direct marketing.  Of course, they all deny it with the acronym TINLC (“There Is No Lumber Cartel”).  Among others which are similar, this tradition dates back to the ’90s, when it grew from the seriously stated accusations of an actual spammer.  Spammers are so oft possessed of certain mental characteristics, which do not change with time or the medium being spammed.

n.a.n-a.e. was always one of the toughest newsgroups.  As you well know, spammers are nasty, self-entitled, mentally unstable morons with persecution complexes who impotently fantasize about revenge on anybody who interferes with their “marketing” efforts.  Most of the n.a.n-a.e. regulars did/do fight spam as part or all of their jobs, in the capacity of sysadmins, network consultants, or employees of companies developing antispam products.  They always had to be tough as nails, biting back hard when necessary.  You, Lauda, and a few others would fit right in there; given the nature of online pseudonymity, who knows if you did/do?  —Eureka!  I have another theory!  YOU ARE PAID BY THE LUMBER CARTEL!

Relax man. Merit system is implemented just about a week ago. Currently, there are certain problems with it but we still don't know what it will bring about. It's better to spot the problems happening than just complaining that the system is bad.

Quoted so this statement can remain on the record.

hO^w _daRE yOu e_DIT m^Y qUoTE?! wHy, i oU^gHt tO tEa _{cH y}oU a^LeS^SoN, _paL! fiLthY _sCA^mMeRS!

I presume universal suffrage, and a strictly ochlocratic democratic rule of “one account, one vote”.

Thereupon, I wrack my brains:  Who would advocate a vote amongst a population which has been invaded by large masses of spammers, and still much larger masses of spammers’ farmed alt accounts?

Cui bono?

Too bad, I am not smart enough to figure this out.  I suppose that my abysmal lack of intelligence is why I need to whine about the merit system and scheme to undermine it, instead of undertaking the impossible task of writing posts which people like.

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There you go, the Legendaries’ oligarchic old boys’ club locking out downtrodden new users like me.  When do I get to also be actmyname, Lauda, aTriz, DarkStar_, hilariousandco, and theymos?  You Legendaries are all the same person scratching each others’ (singular) back, and pushing down users who have a RIGHT to be imagined to be your alter ego in whackjob theories by users who got caught doing something bad.

STOP THE PREJUDICE.  WE ARE ALL YOU.  ACTMYNAME = LAUDA = ATRIZ = DARKSTAR_ = HILARIOUSANDCO = THEYMOS = US!

I will save newbies the trouble here:  THE TRUTH is that this forum has exactly one user, “theymos”, who runs bots to create good posts, bad posts, spam posts, and arguments between putative spammers and putative antispammers.  If you join this forum, then you will become one of theymos’ bots, too.  And you shall.  I know this because the proved scientific of solipsism has proved that you are all figments of my imagination.  Thus, you are all... me.

  You make me rolling around, papa.

It's only conclusion from Lauda logic. While one account got merits or trusts from another account then it "farming" 0xa0xa

Hey, look! We're at contrived idea #2 already. Things are moving quick.

Now, don't worry. Not only is it true that actmyname = Lauda, but dig deeper in the Reputation threads and you'll find that actmyname = Lauda = aTriz = DarkStar_ = hilariousandco = thermos

Not sure what I talk to another guy. Maybe you and Lauda it's one persone? Merits and trusts farming hmm...

This is the same overused argument. Just because there are no forum rules dictating whether you can/can't do something does not mean that people are disallowed from sending trust feedback for it.

What do ad hominem attacks have to do with anything? Regardless of the truthfulness of the arguments, they aren't really sound if you're trying to justify something.

Wrong. Nice try though. It just means you were an idiot.

Negative trust can be fake.

There's so much wrong in that post; being intelligent is hard work indeed. All I have left for this post is the following:

It's must don't care anyone. I did not violate the rules of the forum. But your review from system of trust is worst. I'm told you about you're shit poster who have 22k without reason posts. If I wanted to hide my second account I'd not use same eth adress. But it's not problem for rules. I see your only negative trust and bad reviews from respects users, reviews about promotion from your scam project.

Nice work. Tagged both.

I don't think he purchased it. Looks to be a gift from his alt account kinki32. They both have the same ETH address on their profile http://archive.is/JGDfu http://archive.is/amCFx

Tech discussion requires a good knowledge of bitcoin to contribute in many of the threads. It is more likely that senior members will have this level of knowledge.

I don't buy anything what you tell me about? Most people who is donors of merit give only for legendary or old school members. If you blind just look here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-is-in-danger-2861000 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2772608 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2826330 and etc . Where you see that somebody got Merits for answers to newbies?
But in technical discussion https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29246608 every legendary. Merits from legends to another legends - it's OK 

I actually foresee a lot more selling of old accounts and possibly people buying merit.

You only understand shitposter logic, so unless it's an argument that validates your excuses and laziness, you wouldn't understand it.  Certainly nothing Lauda says is going to make sense to you.  How you ended up with even a single merit point thus far is beyond me.   Tell me true, you purchased that merit, didn't you?

Merit system is totally worst because you must look to  "Bitcoin discussion thread, altcoin discussion thread and etc" and check every topic where there are no people who earn merits! It's be positive only for technical discussion.

For your information, this forum is owned by a person because he made the idea and made it real with some hosting job, coding job, etc. That person also pays for the fees of moderators and other things to make this forums goes well. You, me, and others are all only people who gathers here to talk about cryptocurrency, and some to try to get money from it. You don't even pay a single bit USD to the owner yet you claim this is an open forum and before something implemented in this forum they need to consider what the users want. Hello, wake up please !
As for your question no 2, why all people not given the same merit, zero. I believe it is also for the sake of new member too. Imagine if all people starts with 0, I bet all high rank member who is friend to each other will give merit to each other because with their experience, most likely only them will make a good and high quality posts and then all the lower rank will be ignored, resulting to much more time to rank up.

Because that would drop everybody to junior status.

I agree that a category for legendaries who have been awarded merits would would be a useful extra rank. Hence my invention of the LAMP rank.

Alright system is good. But why merit was calculated with that activitiy. Why not all of us with zero points: legendary, sr.members and others? Guy with 22k posts must have same points like new members and ofcourse with status Legendary.

The time of registration does not have anything to do with the quality of someone's posts. I can find you users who have registered later than you, or similarly as you and their post quality can't be compared to your shitposting.

As you can see that tendence of answers only with legendary status or sr.member "22k posts only with constructive things" . I registered 6 months ago and currently have 143 posts . You are 4.5 years ago and currently 22 000 posts. Just use logic...

Another one-line shitposter complaining about the new system. How about doing something original for a change?

This isn't a commune. This forum is private property and the owners can add whatever they want to it.

On the contrary, the merit system is a way to introduce consensus about post quality, and the future direction of the forum.

Comrades, can you give me link where is was general vote about adding Merit function? If it didn't happen why you added it?
- Consensus? - says folk
- Never heard of him - says admin

Sorry for post without reason!