Meriting your own alt account for non abusive reasons

Quickseller

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Quote from: Pmalek on August 23, 2021, 02:40:07 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 23, 2021, 12:12:14 AM

IMO, if you are regularly in contact with a business contact, you can use email instead of PM.

There are, of course, other means of contact including Skype or social media. But I intentionally created a scenario in which I wanted the forum's PM system to be the only thing I wished to use.

Well I guess if you are creating scenarios in which you must give merit to yourself (and ignoring alternatives), this thread is moot.

Using some kind of key authentication, such as GPG, or using bitcoin signed messages would be superior to using forum PMs in pretty much every scenario.

Quote from: LoyceV on August 24, 2021, 03:35:09 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on August 24, 2021, 03:06:19 AM

Actually, there are no rules when it comes to meriting at all.

There's an official rule, visible when a Merit sources Merits a post:

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It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit.

I don't think what the OP is describing would be considering selling merit.

LoyceV

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 24, 2021, 12:05:39 PM

I did one a while back in like 2014

But I can't find it any more something like

philipma1957 on vacation.

From LoyceV's complete List of all Bitcointalk usernames:

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64507: philipma1957
482225: PhilipMaup
537107: Philipma1957onvacation
719559: philipmal957
1228484: philipmattchumovafuckas
1340622: philipmartyn
1897834: philipmattos
2157637: philipmarino
2606052: PhilipMarshall
2625746: philipma1957laptop
2664833: Philipma1957cellphone
3049237: philipmartin4u

philipma1957

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on August 24, 2021, 08:39:04 AM

Quote from: DaveF on August 22, 2021, 11:34:21 AM

Could just be me, but looking at everyone who has posted here:

[snip]

I have seen enough of everyone's posts and participation that if anyone so far sent me PM from their main account that said
"Can you do me a favor and merit a post of my alt account so I can send more PMs"
I would just do it,

By just providing their name using their alt account?
I believe what the OP is saying is that, creating alt account if it happens that he travel of out the city and for security reason he doesn't want to use his main account on the public network or computer.
No one will merit such an account cause it could be an impersonator except a close friend on the forum which the OP and she have a mode of talking language which she could use to identify that it was her.

If you look at the history of my main account and my cellphone account I made it pretty clear that I was in control of both accounts.

Specific to let people know what I was doing.

I have to be fairly careful about the main account as if is super trusted and has done large escrow deals for people.

You simply do not want to walk about with a cellphone that has access to it.

It tough to follow ethical rules and principles, but I effort to do that.

Even doing that I still have a few people here that don't care for me.

But if you read the main account trust for me it is really good for over 8 years.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=64507

Internet can be difficult to get along and or do the right thing.

Op has a legit question.

Most do not show the alts they have clearly.

philipma1957cellphone = me. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/philipma1957cellphone-2664833

philipma1957laptop = me. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/philipma1957laptop-2625746

I did one a while back in like 2014

But I can't find it any more something like

philipma1957 on vacation.

That was greeted with a lot of skeptical people but I said no worries I will not do business and be home in six days. I will than okay this account.

pre merits a very different time and place.

Jet Cash

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Do a bit of forward planning and create a couple of alts. It isn't too hard to earn merits, and I have several alts of various ranks. I have never sent any merits to any of them.

Pmalek

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on August 24, 2021, 08:39:04 AM

No one will merit such an account cause it could be an impersonator...

Obviously you aren't going to create a new alt account and PM someone from that alt account asking them for a merit. You would do that from your main account, and in the PM you mention the name or link to your alt account. Nonetheless, that shouldn't be done as the other party might see it as merit begging.

suzanne5223

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Quote from: DaveF on August 22, 2021, 11:34:21 AM

Could just be me, but looking at everyone who has posted here:

[snip]

I have seen enough of everyone's posts and participation that if anyone so far sent me PM from their main account that said
"Can you do me a favor and merit a post of my alt account so I can send more PMs"
I would just do it,

By just providing their name using their alt account?
I believe what the OP is saying is that, creating alt account if it happens that he travel of out the city and for security reason he doesn't want to use his main account on the public network or computer.
No one will merit such an account cause it could be an impersonator except a close friend on the forum which the OP and she have a mode of talking language which she could use to identify that it was her.

Pmalek

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 24, 2021, 03:35:09 AM

There's an official rule, visible when a Merit sources Merits a post:

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It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit.

I will check that out next time I merit someone, I don't remember seeing it to be honest. That still matches with what theymos said when he touched upon the subject of people getting tagged for the way merits are sent and/or received. Unless they are sold, you shouldn't be tagged according to theymos. Although I am the one who asked the question of meriting yourself, my personal opinion is that it's an abuse of merits, even though the ultimate goal is not to abuse bounties, campaigns, ranking up, etc.

LoyceV

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Quote from: Pmalek on August 24, 2021, 03:06:19 AM

Actually, there are no rules when it comes to meriting at all.

There's an official rule, visible when a Merit sources Merits a post:

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It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit.

Pmalek

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on August 23, 2021, 10:47:18 AM

If the forum rules explicitly prohibits meriting your own alt-accounts, even with the most honorific or reasonable excuse, it should not be allowed in any case.

Actually, there are no rules when it comes to meriting at all. There is only the community's viewpoint on this matter. If you want to see what theymos thinks about it, take a look at his quote that LoyceV posted in post #14.

Quote from: qwertyup23 on August 23, 2021, 10:47:18 AM

Besides OP, with your caliber of a poster, receiving 1 merit would not be too difficult on your experience and skill.

Like I said in my OP, this is only a fictional scenario and not something I have plans to do.

qwertyup23

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on August 22, 2021, 04:16:07 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on August 22, 2021, 02:40:46 AM

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I’d say that the ethics that we demand from accounts to not merit their alts is better played out if it applies objectively, and not subjectively, where some reasons warrant self-meriting and others not depending on the subjacent exposed reasons. Open the can of worms, and the worms will wiggle their way out …

Besides, any decent poster can earn some merits from a new account without much effort.

I wholeheartedly agree with this post.

Approach this type of conundrum objectively- not subjectively. In fact, the end does justify the means! If the forum rules explicitly prohibits meriting your own alt-accounts, even with the most honorific or reasonable excuse, it should not be allowed in any case. Besides OP, with your caliber of a poster, receiving 1 merit would not be too difficult on your experience and skill.

Like most mentioned, just ask someone respectfully if they could merit a post of yours or message the moderators about your issue.

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: LoyceV on August 23, 2021, 03:16:19 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on August 22, 2021, 02:04:43 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on August 22, 2021, 04:11:05 AM

Get someone else to Merit your alt, that's what happened to Maggiordomo when Piggy didn't want to Merit his own alt-account to lift PM-restrictions.

That is isn't the ideal solution either. Asking someone to merit you isn't the way it's supposed to work and is also frowned upon.

I didn't say "ask" Wink

I sent Philipma1957cellphone enough Merit to wear an avatar (which they aren't using now anyway) because I know it's not a spammer. I have no problem Meriting any other alt from an established user when I see it.

Quote from: Pmalek on August 22, 2021, 02:04:43 PM

Newbies have a PM limitation of only 2 PMs in a 24 hour period.

I think you're mixing things up: The PM-limit depends on Activity, not on Newbie-status. So a new account with Merit can still send only 2 PMs per day.

Quote from: Pmalek on August 23, 2021, 02:40:07 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on August 22, 2021, 09:11:25 PM

I would hate to lose a mobile phone and have some a-hole delete 100000 posts of other people.

If something like that were to happen and someone stole your account, your threads are safe as long as other people posted in them. You can't delete a thread containing posts of other forum members.

Philipma1957 created many self-moderated threads.

Yeah all the alt coin threads I think 9 of them are self modded.

They date back to 2016 and have a few thousand pages of posts.

I very rarely needed to delete any posts but I wanted the option to run good threads with out trolling.

I do not want them to get hurt.

LoyceV

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Quote from: Pmalek on August 22, 2021, 02:04:43 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on August 22, 2021, 04:11:05 AM

Get someone else to Merit your alt, that's what happened to Maggiordomo when Piggy didn't want to Merit his own alt-account to lift PM-restrictions.

That is isn't the ideal solution either. Asking someone to merit you isn't the way it's supposed to work and is also frowned upon.

I didn't say "ask" Wink

I sent Philipma1957cellphone enough Merit to wear an avatar (which they aren't using now anyway) because I know it's not a spammer. I have no problem Meriting any other alt from an established user when I see it.

Quote from: Pmalek on August 22, 2021, 02:04:43 PM

Newbies have a PM limitation of only 2 PMs in a 24 hour period.

I think you're mixing things up: The PM-limit depends on Activity, not on Newbie-status. So a new account with Merit can still send only 2 PMs per day.

Quote from: Pmalek on August 23, 2021, 02:40:07 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on August 22, 2021, 09:11:25 PM

I would hate to lose a mobile phone and have some a-hole delete 100000 posts of other people.

If something like that were to happen and someone stole your account, your threads are safe as long as other people posted in them. You can't delete a thread containing posts of other forum members.

Philipma1957 created many self-moderated threads.

Pmalek

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 22, 2021, 09:11:25 PM

I would hate to lose a mobile phone and have some a-hole delete 100000 posts of other people.

So I made the mobile account.

If something like that were to happen and someone stole your account, your threads are safe as long as other people posted in them. You can't delete a thread containing posts of other forum members. You can only delete your own posts, move, or lock the thread.

Quote from: Quickseller on August 23, 2021, 12:12:14 AM

IMO, if you are regularly in contact with a business contact, you can use email instead of PM.

There are, of course, other means of contact including Skype or social media. But I intentionally created a scenario in which I wanted the forum's PM system to be the only thing I wished to use.

Quickseller

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on August 23, 2021, 12:19:47 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 23, 2021, 12:12:14 AM

IMO, if you are regularly in contact with a business contact, you can use email instead of PM. Or you can use some other messaging platform. If you can use a VPN, it will generally increase the security of public WiFi.

As a merit source, I would not merit any alt account of mine, nor any account rumored to be an alt of mine. My personal recommendation is for everyone else to do the same.

I actually can't recall anyone ever making that particular accusation against Quickseller

Two yaks and a tub of jello perhaps, but not merits...

I have gotten nothing but complements from my being a merit source. Despite having a fairly small allocation, I do my best to contribute positively to the merit economy.

People should have the freedom to do things that are unethical. When people exercise that freedom, others will frown upon you and will think less of you.

Timelord2067

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Quote from: Quickseller on August 23, 2021, 12:12:14 AM

IMO, if you are regularly in contact with a business contact, you can use email instead of PM. Or you can use some other messaging platform. If you can use a VPN, it will generally increase the security of public WiFi.

As a merit source, I would not merit any alt account of mine, nor any account rumored to be an alt of mine. My personal recommendation is for everyone else to do the same.

I actually can't recall anyone ever making that particular accusation against Quickseller

Two yaks and a tub of jello perhaps, but not merits...

Quickseller

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IMO, if you are regularly in contact with a business contact, you can use email instead of PM. Or you can use some other messaging platform. If you can use a VPN, it will generally increase the security of public WiFi.

As a merit source, I would not merit any alt account of mine, nor any account rumored to be an alt of mine. My personal recommendation is for everyone else to do the same.

philipma1957

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: isaac_clarke22 on August 22, 2021, 03:57:02 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on August 22, 2021, 03:32:35 AM

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I think it still counts as merit abuse. It's just that the motives are different. You aren't meriting yourself to rank up and participate in bounties, signature campaigns, giveaways, etc. You are only doing it to help yourself engage in regular forum activities easier. Like writing and replying to PMs without waiting for 24 or x hours to pass.

I think you should just ask to be whitelisted for free with your alt account to any staff member to lift the PM limits as what was mentioned in here -
New PM limits. Just mention your reasons to be whitelisted.

Quote from: theymos on December 06, 2017, 02:35:30 PM

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You are automatically whitelisted if you buy a copper membership. You don't need to wear the copper membership, just own it. You can also be whitelisted for free by any staff member and a few non-staff, but we're going to need some reason to think that you actually deserve it. Do not ask me for free whitelisting.

Whitelisting is a not a license to spam. You will be immediately banned if you're found spamming, even if you bought a copper membership (and you will not be refunded).

For the 1 merit to alt account, well it is just 1 merit. I won't count it as a merit abuse as it is not like you're sending more than that, but it is best to say your intention through it through the Alts thread in Reputation, so that others will know.
It's frowned upon by the community though.

Look my main account does not leave my house.

I have

philipma1957cellphone and mostly use it when on the road.

I simply asked and a few people gave it merits. It also posts often enough that it earns merits.

I think if your alts are clearly marked it is not abuse of the systems main intent.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/philipma1957cellphone-2664833

my alt is marked very clearly. and it was created for security purpose as my main account has many long self modded threads 🧵. I would hate to lose a mobile phone and have some a-hole delete

100000 posts of other people.

So I made the mobile account. It now has 100 plus merits.

Now if it were stealth 🥷 it would be wrong.

but that is just one opinion.

OgNasty

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There's really no reason you should ever need to send yourself merit. If you have some restrictions keeping you from purchasing a Copper Membership, you could always take advantage of community offers to earn merit. One such opportunity is provided by yours truly. All you need to do is display your knowledge of PGP encryption by signing a message and you can earn some merit from me. If you do a bit of looking, you'll find lots of offers to give merit to accounts that are well intentioned and genuinely need it.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-hey-bitcoiners-can-you-send-encrypted-messages-5289839

LoyceMobile

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LoyceV on the road. Or couch.

Quote from: Timelord2o67 on August 22, 2021, 12:57:13 PM

. (But why the need to merit on the road anyway?)

Many users don't accept PMs from Newbies.

Pmalek

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 22, 2021, 04:11:05 AM

Copper Membership includes whitelisting, which solves your problem.

I thought it didn't have any affects on the PM restrictions because I seem to remember an old post by theymos in which he said that it doesn't. Good to know that I was wrong. That basically solves this potential problem, thanks!

Quote from: LoyceV on August 22, 2021, 04:11:05 AM

Get someone else to Merit your alt, that's what happened to Maggiordomo when Piggy didn't want to Merit his own alt-account to lift PM-restrictions.

That is isn't the ideal solution either. Asking someone to merit you isn't the way it's supposed to work and is also frowned upon.

Quote from: Timelord2o67 on August 22, 2021, 12:57:13 PM

(But why the need to merit on the road anyway?)

No, not meriting on the road. Sending PMs while on the road. Newbies have a PM limitation of only 2 PMs in a 24 hour period. Let's assume that I have to keep in touch with x number of forum members daily while I am on my travels, and I only want to be in contact with them through the forum's PM system. I would only be able to send 2 PMs daily and that's it. But LoyceV cleared it up now, and purchasing a copper membership would solve the PM problem.

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