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full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
Ethereum All The Way Baby
January 28, 2018, 04:40:21 AM
#28
Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

Dislike it as much as you want, that’s a blatant abuse of the trust system and a perfect example of why it’s slowly loosing all meaning outside trading boards

no its not, Trading accounts lead to scams.. that is a fact.  Either scamming campaigns - by earning when not deserved, receiving airdrops or trying to scam people who trade. nothing good can come from account trading

Just because you decree something fact, doesn’t make it fact.

You have zero evidence that every sold account contributes to scams.

Unless you have evidence to the contrary, all you have is an assumption that account sales leads to scams.



“You can screen as loud as you’d like, it won’t matter if no one is listening”

Basically the state of the trust system right now.

Could have negative trust and still conduct trades in the trading board no problem, but oh heaven forbid you want to enter a signature campaign, which is the only remaining facet that relies on the trust system.

There already word that most Bounty and signature campaigns will remove trust as a requirement and replace it with merit, which is perfect as it removes the power for abusing the trust feedback, and ensuring that it’s completely merit based
member
Activity: 112
Merit: 16
January 28, 2018, 04:38:05 AM
#27
Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

Dislike it as much as you want, that’s a blatant abuse of the trust system and a perfect example of why it’s slowly loosing all meaning outside trading boards

no its not, Trading accounts lead to scams.. that is a fact.  Either scamming campaigns - by earning when not deserved, receiving airdrops or trying to scam people who trade. nothing good can come from account trading

In that case we need a system that makes sense, and not implement a faulty system and try to keep it under control with further checks that cannot be enforced realistically. Eliminate merit sources, because merit sources create a bottleneck in terms of what has become a valuable resource on this forum now, and bottlenecks can and will always be exploited.
member
Activity: 195
Merit: 10
January 28, 2018, 04:35:44 AM
#26
Well, as much as any friend can give you a merit,it is supposed to be given based on the quality of your post. You will agree with me that the one giving the merit will be suspected of account farming if he gives a merit for someone who posted a report for a bounty campaign. Wont such merit giving look ridiculous?
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
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January 28, 2018, 04:34:25 AM
#25
Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

Dislike it as much as you want, that’s a blatant abuse of the trust system and a perfect example of why it’s slowly loosing all meaning outside trading boards

no its not, Trading accounts lead to scams.. that is a fact.  Either scamming campaigns - by earning when not deserved, receiving airdrops or trying to scam people who trade. nothing good can come from account trading
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
Ethereum All The Way Baby
January 28, 2018, 04:27:26 AM
#24
Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

Dislike it as much as you want, that’s a blatant abuse of the trust system and a perfect example of why it’s slowly loosing all meaning outside trading boards
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
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January 28, 2018, 04:18:29 AM
#23
Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 251
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January 28, 2018, 04:01:30 AM
#22
To be fair tho the merit system should work if people are posting normally as long as you are not shit posting. If we look at this thread for instance there are quite a few that have contributed well to this thread, do we see any merit to lower ranked members?
Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Like shown people are selling merit away from bitcointalk.
As for RLF giving merit it's going to happen. I'm sure we will even get to the point where people are just hodling merit as we are a community of hodlers
full member
Activity: 406
Merit: 102
January 28, 2018, 03:49:16 AM
#21
By friends he probably means "friends" aka alt accounts. Doing so will be rife amongst farmers and multi-accounters now but it will also just be one more tool for suspicious users to find alt accounts. You shouldn't really give points unless a person deserves it but it is ultimately up to you how you give out points, friend or not, but also up to the community whether you are giving them out just to help "friends" rank up and how to punish that.

Still, we cannot neglect the fact that there are people in this forum that are friends in real life. Even I have friends close friends here. I could easily ask merit from them but that wouldn't be necessary if I could post something relevant to the discussion, right?


No one says it's not true mate.
There are possibilities. I also have some friends in here including my clinical instructor.
Its just that some may be accused because we all know that there plenty of account farmers here.
They will only get banned or tagged if proven doing activities that are against the rules.
No one is tagged without proofs right mate.
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
Ethereum All The Way Baby
January 28, 2018, 03:48:18 AM
#20
Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
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January 28, 2018, 03:37:34 AM
#19
Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given
member
Activity: 359
Merit: 15
January 28, 2018, 03:31:53 AM
#18
this is clearly that maybe merits will have its own value in the future what is your thoughts about this.. this merits can be abuse by other users.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 122
January 28, 2018, 03:07:29 AM
#17
is this legal share merits with your friends? and some one is begging for it? or else give merits and trade for something?
That is not totally illegal, you are the one controlling smerit available into your account but remember the main purpose of the merit system is to recognized the member who did more constructive/quality post.
Hoping that smerit will not be abuse by many account farmers and if they do that much better to tagged them and make them in trouble.
Merit point should be given to those deserving member and not only given because they are friends i am against in that, we need to be fair all the time.
member
Activity: 224
Merit: 41
January 28, 2018, 01:58:17 AM
#16
By friends he probably means "friends" aka alt accounts. Doing so will be rife amongst farmers and multi-accounters now but it will also just be one more tool for suspicious users to find alt accounts. You shouldn't really give points unless a person deserves it but it is ultimately up to you how you give out points, friend or not, but also up to the community whether you are giving them out just to help "friends" rank up and how to punish that.

Still, we cannot neglect the fact that there are people in this forum that are friends in real life. Even I have friends close friends here. I could easily ask merit from them but that wouldn't be necessary if I could post something relevant to the discussion, right?

Agree with you, lots of account farmers will do that to make their account easily to ranked up and will be able to enter in signature campaign which are their main purpose in this forum.

They are already doing that. Some were tagged already.

If the whole idea is to reward quality posing users, and slow spam down. Then farming for it, or giving it to someone just because they are your friend should be against the rules, however would be hard to prove. So it is likely just unethical.
sorry, but am i missed something about the rules this "merit" works, where to find it ?

and i think it's hard to read, the people think and you think it's different like you called it good post and help you but the other people didn't

There are no rules regarding the abuse of Merit, for now, since this is just a new system of the forum. I doubt there will be because theymos wants the community to have their freedom in giving out merits. DT Members, on the other hand, will exercise their power to stop/lessen the abuse of giving merits.
full member
Activity: 406
Merit: 102
January 28, 2018, 01:53:58 AM
#15
is this legal share merits with your friends? and some one is begging for it? or else give merits and trade for something?

Yeah it's against the rules. Giving merit to your FRIENDS is cheating. Merits are given for quality posts and not for friends to have.
Or this might likely be seen as Farm accounts. You can be accused as cheating or farming merits now.
If it is proven connected to you, you might get banned like others have.
I know it's hard these days, trying to keep up with the system needs patience.
This forum needs improvement and less stuborn members. Try to be a help rather than another forum campaign vampire.
Good luck mate.
member
Activity: 147
Merit: 12
January 28, 2018, 01:53:25 AM
#14
legal ? who knows ?
but as far as i know,it should be fine for 'Higher Member' to do that.
because It is up to them how much merit he/she give and where she/he give it to.
for us ?
you can not do that,because you will be considered as a abuser,in other words Negative Trust will be yours!

For reference;
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28968650

Thanks for your link to abused evidence. It seems that you are so unlucky, 2 more activities to be upgraded to Senior Member, right? I am lucky that I passed the threshold for Member rank one day before merit system activated by admin. But I accepted new rules of the new amazing system.
full member
Activity: 632
Merit: 122
January 28, 2018, 01:34:49 AM
#13
legal ? who knows ?
but as far as i know,it should be fine for 'Higher Member' to do that.
because It is up to them how much merit he/she give and where she/he give it to.
for us ?
you can not do that,because you will be considered as a abuser,in other words Negative Trust will be yours!

For reference;
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28968650
member
Activity: 126
Merit: 14
January 28, 2018, 01:27:50 AM
#12
I think there are no rules regarding sending merits towards your friends as long as their post has a lot of sense and a constructive one and for as long as those two accounts are not owned by the same identical person which can be very found abusive. So yeah I think it is a better way to supporting your friends that he have done a good job in posting a constructive posts.
sr. member
Activity: 616
Merit: 250
January 28, 2018, 01:27:22 AM
#11
If the whole idea is to reward quality posing users, and slow spam down. Then farming for it, or giving it to someone just because they are your friend should be against the rules, however would be hard to prove. So it is likely just unethical.
sorry, but am i missed something about the rules this "merit" works, where to find it ?

and i think it's hard to read, the people think and you think it's different like you called it good post and help you but the other people didn't
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 531
January 28, 2018, 01:21:10 AM
#10
By friends he probably means "friends" aka alt accounts. Doing so will be rife amongst farmers and multi-accounters now but it will also just be one more tool for suspicious users to find alt accounts. You shouldn't really give points unless a person deserves it but it is ultimately up to you how you give out points, friend or not, but also up to the community whether you are giving them out just to help "friends" rank up and how to punish that.

Agree with you, lots of account farmers will do that to make their account easily to ranked up and will be able to enter in signature campaign which are their main purpose in this forum.
hero member
Activity: 1106
Merit: 638
January 28, 2018, 01:00:29 AM
#9
is this legal share merits with your friends? and some one is begging for it? or else give merits and trade for something?

I see the problem you're calling attention to, but the way this Merit system works those opportunities to gift someone merit for less than constructive posts is a dead end path. Once you've given away your sMerits you can only get more by making constructive posts. So the act of gifting away your sMerits only gets you to a point where you are no longer able to do so, faster.

It's a pretty sounds system. The flaws are short term realities that exist in any community. The long term benefits are going to change how this forum is used. It's exciting!
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