Topic: Merits from your friends? (Read 942 times)

Quote from: appleyard on January 27, 2018, 10:23:57 PM

Merits will never have a value

~~My signature campaign already announced to require all participants to have earned at least 10 Merits four weeks from now. That gives a (large) monetary value to Merit.~~ Update: this won't be required yet.

Some of yahoo's campaigns are starting to drop the payment for those without merit, and I anticipate more campaigns doing something requiring merit soon.

ZenRoy

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Just the same as Smerits can be abused by high ranking members, friends can also take advantage of this which are the 2 big flaws I see in this new system.. Why don't we just stick to forum mods deleting nonsense posts or hiring more mods to make sure everything is clean rather than give it to the hand of members who might just abuse the system?

Adioliver

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is this legal share merits with your friends? and some one is begging for it? or else give merits and trade for something?

I don't think giving merits to your friends is something illegal unless and until you merit your friend's shitposts.If you want to merit your friend's post then merit some good quality posts of your friend.
If someone is begging for it then you should ignore such people.And we should totally avoid trading of merits and never even think of encouraging this.Merit system is really efficient and we should respect it by using it in the right way.

tbct_mt2

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Quote from: appleyard on January 27, 2018, 10:23:57 PM

is this legal share merits with your friends? and some one is begging for it? or else give merits and trade for something?

Of course, you can buy/sell/exchange merits (acutally sMerits) with others. However, I don't recommend you to do that, it violates the forum's rules. Your account will under radar of admin and moderators, under extremely high risks of banning, might be permanent one. Don't do that, please.

Otherwise, you should only focus on qualities of your posts, increasing them a little bit daily, which in turn raise the probability to receive merits from others for your posts.

secondgarlic

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 28, 2018, 05:58:35 AM

Quote from: Wendigo on January 28, 2018, 06:30:35 AM

Merits will never have a value

My signature campaign already announced to require all participants to have earned at least 10 Merits four weeks from now. That gives a (large) monetary value to Merit.

Isn't this propagating the problem? Merits start having a monetary value and there are only a number of merit sources who (except goodwill) are not obliged at all to give you merit. I find the idea behind merits perfectly OK, it is the execution that is flawed.

Some tweaking is definitely needed in order to make sure that merit does not become the very problem it intended to solve.

jtipt

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Quote from: jtipt on January 28, 2018, 06:15:15 AM

Quote from: Wendigo on January 28, 2018, 05:13:20 AM

Lol theymos should start selling loot boxes with random merit points inside for Bitcoin so noobs could level up their accounts faster and reach that “sense of pride and accomplishment” everyone at EA talks about Grin

This is actually a brilliant idea and theymos will rack up the big bucks in no time! Cheesy

Earn a few big bucks and then lose a lot more than it as people start to boycott this forum like people did with EA and SW:BF2. But you know, mostly the people bitching about merits are signature spammers and we'll they wouldn't have enough money to buy the loot boxes in the first place.

It was a joke bud chill out Grin

People have jobs outside of this forum anyways lol.

I also meant it as a joke Cheesy

not like theymos will ever implement such an absurd thing.

Wendigo

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Quote from: jtipt on January 28, 2018, 06:15:15 AM

Quote from: Wendigo on January 28, 2018, 05:13:20 AM

Lol theymos should start selling loot boxes with random merit points inside for Bitcoin so noobs could level up their accounts faster and reach that “sense of pride and accomplishment” everyone at EA talks about Grin

This is actually a brilliant idea and theymos will rack up the big bucks in no time! Cheesy

Earn a few big bucks and then lose a lot more than it as people start to boycott this forum like people did with EA and SW:BF2. But you know, mostly the people bitching about merits are signature spammers and we'll they wouldn't have enough money to buy the loot boxes in the first place.

It was a joke bud chill out Grin

People have jobs outside of this forum anyways lol.

jtipt

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Quote from: Wendigo on January 28, 2018, 05:13:20 AM

Lol theymos should start selling loot boxes with random merit points inside for Bitcoin so noobs could level up their accounts faster and reach that “sense of pride and accomplishment” everyone at EA talks about Grin

This is actually a brilliant idea and theymos will rack up the big bucks in no time! Cheesy

Earn a few big bucks and then lose a lot more than it as people start to boycott this forum like people did with EA and SW:BF2. But you know, mostly the people bitching about merits are signature spammers and we'll they wouldn't have enough money to buy the loot boxes in the first place.

LoyceV

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Quote from: hilariousetc on January 28, 2018, 12:45:42 AM

By friends he probably means "friends" aka alt accounts.

This is only a short-term solution for bad posters to rank up. Before long, they'll all be out of sMerit, and won't get any new ones unless they improve their post quality.
If I take a look at the Bounties-board, barely anyone has earned any Merit. They may have 100, 250, 500 or 1000 Merit points, but none of them earned by their post quality. What's the use of a Legendary member posting "I'm in."?

After decaying unused sMerits in the future, it would be interesting if all accounts lose 1 Merit each Activity period. That would mean a Legendary shitposter suddenly turns into a Hero Member with 999 Merit.

Quote from: TMAN on January 28, 2018, 04:48:25 AM

Merits will never have a value

~~My signature campaign already announced to require all participants to have earned at least 10 Merits four weeks from now. That gives a (large) monetary value to Merit.~~ Update: this won't be required yet.

Moving to merit is an awesome way for campaign managers to handle applications.

I've managed giveaway campaigns for over a year, and would have loved this feature! Fake Merits are easy to spot by checking the post it's given for.
Going through everyone's post history to determine if they're just giveaway abusing alt-accounts or real people is a lot more work.

TMAN

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Quote from: dncdog on January 28, 2018, 05:47:50 AM

Quote from: kumiskura on January 28, 2018, 05:12:03 AM

Insulting and fighting won't make it even better either.
nothing good will come because of it.

Well this thread should be LOCKED.

please OP lock this thread or Mods ?

Locked? I dont think so. The author of the topic simply tried asking how to get merits. Of course, there are lots of way to get merits, both legal and illegal. We all should take the legal approach, right.? Using possitive way to get merits also help us to be a better member in the forum. It's good for us and for the forum.

Right. Correct attitude, you get a couple unlike the penis above

dncdog

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Quote from: kumiskura on January 28, 2018, 05:12:03 AM

Insulting and fighting won't make it even better either.
nothing good will come because of it.

Well this thread should be LOCKED.

please OP lock this thread or Mods ?

Locked? I dont think so. The author of the topic simply tried asking how to get merits. Of course, there are lots of way to get merits, both legal and illegal. We all should take the legal approach, right.? Using possitive way to get merits also help us to be a better member in the forum. It's good for us and for the forum.

TMAN

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Quote from: TMAN on January 28, 2018, 05:14:45 AM

Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 05:07:25 AM

Quote from: TMAN on January 28, 2018, 04:58:10 AM

Pride?? I asked for a reason and that really isn't a decent one. You feel proud when you reach an achievement not by buying one. Bitcoin isn't a game, sounds like you would fit in well with the nastyfans crew

Wow thanks for showing me how dense you are that you actually missed that “sense of pride and accomplishment” meme.

Like, that’s dense man, reaaaaallly dense.

So TMAN I’m guessing you don’t get outside much or something as that’s gotta be the only explanation.

Your failure to understand that others may feel pride and accomplishment in other ways to you speaks volumes to your own demeanor

Pride is an emotion from accomplishment.. so your statement is flawed

If you can’t feel pride from things other then accomplishments then you need to take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself “why can’t I find pride in myself while being devoid from accomplishments” before asserting that view on everyone else.

Pride
synonyms: pleasure, joy, delight, gratification, fulfilment, satisfaction, sense of achievement

You were obviously bullied as a child. Sense of achievement is correct, buying something is totally different you moron

Auggie Cortez

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Maybe its not bad to help others to be knowledgable about the bitcoin.

TMAN

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Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 05:07:25 AM

Quote from: TMAN on January 28, 2018, 04:58:10 AM

Pride?? I asked for a reason and that really isn't a decent one. You feel proud when you reach an achievement not by buying one. Bitcoin isn't a game, sounds like you would fit in well with the nastyfans crew

Wow thanks for showing me how dense you are that you actually missed that “sense of pride and accomplishment” meme.

Like, that’s dense man, reaaaaallly dense.

So TMAN I’m guessing you don’t get outside much or something as that’s gotta be the only explanation.

Your failure to understand that others may feel pride and accomplishment in other ways to you speaks volumes to your own demeanor

Pride is an emotion from accomplishment.. so your statement is flawed

Wendigo

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Lol theymos should start selling loot boxes with random merit points inside for Bitcoin so noobs could level up their accounts faster and reach that “sense of pride and accomplishment” everyone at EA talks about Grin

This is actually a brilliant idea and theymos will rack up the big bucks in no time! Cheesy

kumiskura

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Insulting and fighting won't make it even better either.
nothing good will come because of it.

Well this thread should be LOCKED.

please OP lock this thread or Mods ?

802529er

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Quote from: TMAN on January 28, 2018, 04:58:10 AM

Pride?? I asked for a reason and that really isn't a decent one. You feel proud when you reach an achievement not by buying one. Bitcoin isn't a game, sounds like you would fit in well with the nastyfans crew

Wow thanks for showing me how dense you are that you actually missed that “sense of pride and accomplishment” meme.

Like, that’s dense man, reaaaaallly dense.

So TMAN I’m guessing you don’t get outside much or something as that’s gotta be the only explanation.

Your failure to understand that others may feel pride and accomplishment in other ways to you speaks volumes to your own demeanor

TMAN

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Pride?? I asked for a reason and that really isn't a decent one. You feel proud when you reach an achievement not by buying one. Bitcoin isn't a game, sounds like you would fit in well with the nastyfans crew

802529er

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Quote from: TMAN on January 28, 2018, 04:48:25 AM

Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 04:40:21 AM

Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 04:27:26 AM

Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 03:48:18 AM

Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 04:40:21 AM

Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

Dislike it as much as you want, that’s a blatant abuse of the trust system and a perfect example of why it’s slowly loosing all meaning outside trading boards

no its not, Trading accounts lead to scams.. that is a fact. Either scamming campaigns - by earning when not deserved, receiving airdrops or trying to scam people who trade. nothing good can come from account trading

Just because you decree something fact, doesn’t make it fact.

You have zero evidence that every sold account contributes to scams.

Unless you have evidence to the contrary, all you have is an assumption that account sales leads to scams.

“You can screen as loud as you’d like, it won’t matter if no one is listening”

Basically the state of the trust system right now.

Could have negative trust and still conduct trades in the trading board no problem, but oh heaven forbid you want to enter a signature campaign, which is the only remaining facet that relies on the trust system.

There already word that most Bounty and signature campaigns will remove trust as a requirement and replace it with merit, which is perfect as it removes the power for abusing the trust feedback, and ensuring that it’s completely merit based

Tell me another reason someone would buy an account then.

Moving to merit is an awesome way for campaign managers to handle applications. BTW I have tons of positive trust and a negative or two from OG nasty. It doesn't stop me being added to a campaign or people stop trading with me.

The same reason some people pay $200+ for unlocks on games when you can play for free and earn them, they don’t have time and want a sense of pride and accomplishment from having a higher ranked account.

The way merit is earned will also help Bounty managers ensure that they have good conversation going on and constructive discussion over “when moon”

TMAN

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Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 04:27:26 AM

Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 03:48:18 AM

Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

Dislike it as much as you want, that’s a blatant abuse of the trust system and a perfect example of why it’s slowly loosing all meaning outside trading boards

no its not, Trading accounts lead to scams.. that is a fact. Either scamming campaigns - by earning when not deserved, receiving airdrops or trying to scam people who trade. nothing good can come from account trading

Just because you decree something fact, doesn’t make it fact.

You have zero evidence that every sold account contributes to scams.

Unless you have evidence to the contrary, all you have is an assumption that account sales leads to scams.

“You can screen as loud as you’d like, it won’t matter if no one is listening”

Basically the state of the trust system right now.

Could have negative trust and still conduct trades in the trading board no problem, but oh heaven forbid you want to enter a signature campaign, which is the only remaining facet that relies on the trust system.

There already word that most Bounty and signature campaigns will remove trust as a requirement and replace it with merit, which is perfect as it removes the power for abusing the trust feedback, and ensuring that it’s completely merit based

Tell me another reason someone would buy an account then.

Moving to merit is an awesome way for campaign managers to handle applications. BTW I have tons of positive trust and a negative or two from OG nasty. It doesn't stop me being added to a campaign or people stop trading with me.

802529er

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Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 04:27:26 AM

Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 03:48:18 AM

Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

Dislike it as much as you want, that’s a blatant abuse of the trust system and a perfect example of why it’s slowly loosing all meaning outside trading boards

no its not, Trading accounts lead to scams.. that is a fact. Either scamming campaigns - by earning when not deserved, receiving airdrops or trying to scam people who trade. nothing good can come from account trading

Just because you decree something fact, doesn’t make it fact.

You have zero evidence that every sold account contributes to scams.

Unless you have evidence to the contrary, all you have is an assumption that account sales leads to scams.

“You can screen as loud as you’d like, it won’t matter if no one is listening”

Basically the state of the trust system right now.

Could have negative trust and still conduct trades in the trading board no problem, but oh heaven forbid you want to enter a signature campaign, which is the only remaining facet that relies on the trust system.

There already word that most Bounty and signature campaigns will remove trust as a requirement and replace it with merit, which is perfect as it removes the power for abusing the trust feedback, and ensuring that it’s completely merit based

secondgarlic

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Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 04:27:26 AM

Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 03:48:18 AM

Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 04:27:26 AM

Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

Dislike it as much as you want, that’s a blatant abuse of the trust system and a perfect example of why it’s slowly loosing all meaning outside trading boards

no its not, Trading accounts lead to scams.. that is a fact. Either scamming campaigns - by earning when not deserved, receiving airdrops or trying to scam people who trade. nothing good can come from account trading

In that case we need a system that makes sense, and not implement a faulty system and try to keep it under control with further checks that cannot be enforced realistically. Eliminate merit sources, because merit sources create a bottleneck in terms of what has become a valuable resource on this forum now, and bottlenecks can and will always be exploited.

Marine8

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Well, as much as any friend can give you a merit,it is supposed to be given based on the quality of your post. You will agree with me that the one giving the merit will be suspected of account farming if he gives a merit for someone who posted a report for a bounty campaign. Wont such merit giving look ridiculous?

TMAN

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Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 03:48:18 AM

Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

Dislike it as much as you want, that’s a blatant abuse of the trust system and a perfect example of why it’s slowly loosing all meaning outside trading boards

no its not, Trading accounts lead to scams.. that is a fact. Either scamming campaigns - by earning when not deserved, receiving airdrops or trying to scam people who trade. nothing good can come from account trading

802529er

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Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 03:48:18 AM

Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 03:48:18 AM

Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

Dislike it as much as you want, that’s a blatant abuse of the trust system and a perfect example of why it’s slowly loosing all meaning outside trading boards

TMAN

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Quote from: 802529er on January 28, 2018, 03:48:18 AM

Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Prepare for the red tags fella.. DT members don't like this behaviour

btcprospecter

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To be fair tho the merit system should work if people are posting normally as long as you are not shit posting. If we look at this thread for instance there are quite a few that have contributed well to this thread, do we see any merit to lower ranked members?

Quote from: Mind Control on January 28, 2018, 01:58:17 AM

Merits will never have a value as they are not meant to be sold.

No further discussion needed unless you want people tagging you. Merits are meant to be earnt with quality posts. Sure you will see lots and lots of bias, but that won't last as once all the initial sMerits have been spread about people will need to earn them, something earnt is worth a shit ton more than something given

Accounts aren’t supposed to have a value, but they do, and this forum allows the buying and selling of them.

It’s not written law that you can’t buy or sell merit, it’s already happening off site on telegram, in discord.

I myself will be picking up a nice shinny new account with some extra merit, as this forum encourages account selling by allowing it to take places, merit is no different.

Like shown people are selling merit away from bitcointalk.
As for RLF giving merit it's going to happen. I'm sure we will even get to the point where people are just hodling merit as we are a community of hodlers

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Quote from: hilariousetc on January 28, 2018, 12:45:42 AM

By friends he probably means "friends" aka alt accounts. Doing so will be rife amongst farmers and multi-accounters now but it will also just be one more tool for suspicious users to find alt accounts. You shouldn't really give points unless a person deserves it but it is ultimately up to you how you give out points, friend or not, but also up to the community whether you are giving them out just to help "friends" rank up and how to punish that.

Still, we cannot neglect the fact that there are people in this forum that are friends in real life. Even I have ~~friends~~ close friends here. I could easily ask merit from them but that wouldn't be necessary if I could post something relevant to the discussion, right?

No one says it's not true mate.
There are possibilities. I also have some friends in here including my clinical instructor.
Its just that some may be accused because we all know that there plenty of account farmers here.
They will only get banned or tagged if proven doing activities that are against the rules.
No one is tagged without proofs right mate.

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