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Quote from: numbersgame on May 20, 2019, 12:22:01 PM

I suppose you're only referring to unrecognized micronations?

If not - what about Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, Liechtenstein, the Vatican.... even Malta (some people consider it too big).

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A micronation, a model country or new country project

With the exception of the vatican all others listed arguably not micronation all have a population above 30k, same as Gibraltar.

Smaller nations are
Palau with over 20,000
Nauru 12,000
Tuvalu 10,000

Recognized, so if a military dictatorship like Thailand give someplace the ok than its legit?

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Réunion (unfortunately noting in english)
http://www.reuniao.org/projeto4.0/inicio.htm

Republic of Formoria
http://fomoire.org/

Republic of Cascadia
https://zapatopi.net/cascadia/

Empire of Atlantium
http://atlantium.org/

Texas Nationalist Movement
https://tnm.me/

Vermont Republic
http://vermontrepublic.org/vermont-declaration-of-independence/

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I suppose you're only referring to unrecognized micronations?

If not - what about Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, Liechtenstein, the Vatican.... even Malta and Montenegro... (some people consider them too big).

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Another one added Akzivland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSWfOYvJM-M
Technically it has the same status as Hong Kong once had before the lease ended.

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Quote from: ðºÞæ on April 29, 2019, 12:38:07 AM

A society based on voluntary interactions instead of government force, is the future. Down with forces, taxes and orchestrated violence.

I don't think it will ever be reasonable for this to happen.

Even without a "government" that regulates its people, it would always be possible for a number of people to forum an organization that creates regulations and imposes taxes on people in a certain area. I am specifically referring to something along the lines of the mafia or gangs we see today -- they use the threat of violence to impose rules on people that live in their "territory" and routinely extort money out of local businesses.

When there is a "government" it will be accountable to its people, but when the entity imposing the rules is a mafia/gang, they are not accountable to anyone.

In reality, not having a "government" that imposes taxes and regulations will result in less freedoms for the majority of people.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on May 10, 2019, 02:20:23 PM

Quote from: ðºÞæ on April 29, 2019, 10:52:47 AM

Quote from: Mometaskers on April 29, 2019, 10:31:10 AM

Which one of those was the one located in the US? Had a good laugh when the "founder" was asked if they pay US taxes and he said it's "foreign aid".

As of now seasteading is really the only way to go and try to get away from nations' "territorial waters". Hopefully that Thailand fiasco don't discourage people. If that French Polynesia project don't also get wrecked by the government, it could provide good experience on how to make a self-sustaining settlement.

Most likely The Kingdom of Talossa or The Dominion of British West Florida

I did some Googling, it turns out to be Molossia. I found it coz of the creepy derpy mannequins that functions as citizens. This is also the micronation that gives away free pet rocks. Grin

Thanks added to the list even so he is paying tax, a nation suppose to collect it.
http://www.molossia.org/

Quote from: yesiam6 on May 10, 2019, 04:36:16 PM

i want to start a micronation how do i get started do i need a private army to start one?
Can i open a crowdfunding for that on kickstarter?

Anyone can start as long as you have unclaimed land, which there is none.

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i want to start a micronation how do i get started do i need a private army to start one?
Can i open a crowdfunding for that on kickstarter?

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Quote from: ðºÞæ on April 29, 2019, 10:52:47 AM

Quote from: Mometaskers on April 29, 2019, 10:31:10 AM

Which one of those was the one located in the US? Had a good laugh when the "founder" was asked if they pay US taxes and he said it's "foreign aid".

As of now seasteading is really the only way to go and try to get away from nations' "territorial waters". Hopefully that Thailand fiasco don't discourage people. If that French Polynesia project don't also get wrecked by the government, it could provide good experience on how to make a self-sustaining settlement.

Most likely The Kingdom of Talossa or The Dominion of British West Florida

I did some Googling, it turns out to be Molossia. I found it coz of the creepy derpy mannequins that functions as citizens. This is also the micronation that gives away free pet rocks. Grin

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Quote from: ðºÞæ on April 29, 2019, 08:13:52 AM

So on which territory is Bir_Tawil? Here is wikis entry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil

Well, yes. It is also possible to found a micronation on the territory, that no one cares about.

Quote from: ðºÞæ on April 29, 2019, 08:13:52 AM

What is a legit country? The "legit" extermination far outnumbers any world war. Pol Pot executed 2.2 Mil. Mao Zedong legit killed 5 million and another 20 million starved to dead, with Hitler 17 Mil died, Leopold II disposed 15 million Congolese legally, Stalin 10, only 5 million stood in Hideki Tojo way, Kim Jong-Il, Idi Amin Dada, Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Yakubu Gowon, Omar al-Bashir, Ismail Enver Pasha.......... all legit.

As legit I understand the main political powers that are in charge of the country. And it doesn't matter what are they doing because they are the law on this territory in that particular moment of time.
Law, and being legit are abstract concepts.

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Isn't Bir Tawil basically just desert with nothin in it? If I remember this was the "no-man's land" in the Sahara right? Once the neighboring countries get the proper agreements, the land would eventually be claimed.

Even if not, I don't think anyone would settle there. No permanent water supply, no resources, land-locked, etc. You would become dependent on your neighbors, the exact opposite a micronation's goal.

That is right, nothing is there, no road, no ocean access, no resources, no people, a water well but no one knows where it is.

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Bir Tawil is a very peculiar area. Located south of Egypt and north of Sudan, it is a trapezoid of land (about 2060 km²) wanted by neither Egypt nor by Sudan. In fact, both countries want to award it to the other.

Just wait till they find oil there, they'll go to war over it. I mean South Sudan have oil right? Heck, even America might get involved and liberate the non-existent populace.

Or maybe that's where Wakanda is located, haha!

Any micronation that manages to settle AND thrive there deserves UN representation. Even UAE and KSA didn't easily got their desert liveable despite the amount of money they have.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on April 30, 2019, 02:20:12 PM

Isn't Bir Tawil basically just desert with nothin in it? If I remember this was the "no-man's land" in the Sahara right? Once the neighboring countries get the proper agreements, the land would eventually be claimed.

Even if not, I don't think anyone would settle there. No permanent water supply, no resources, land-locked, etc. You would become dependent on your neighbors, the exact opposite a micronation's goal.

That is right, nothing is there, no road, no ocean access, no resources, no people, a water well but no one knows where it is.

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Bir Tawil is a very peculiar area. Located south of Egypt and north of Sudan, it is a trapezoid of land (about 2060 km²) wanted by neither Egypt nor by Sudan. In fact, both countries want to award it to the other.

Liberland is also sandwiched between two countries but both countries want it, the opposite to Bir Tawil.

Three people have laid claim to the land a Russian (Zhikharev), an Indian (Dixit ) and an American (Heaton).

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Isn't Bir Tawil basically just desert with nothin in it? If I remember this was the "no-man's land" in the Sahara right? Once the neighboring countries get the proper agreements, the land would eventually be claimed.

Even if not, I don't think anyone would settle there. No permanent water supply, no resources, land-locked, etc. You would become dependent on your neighbors, the exact opposite a micronation's goal.

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Quote from: ðºÞæ on April 29, 2019, 12:38:07 AM

Most are in the process of establishing a free independent nation, like freesociety, liberland.....others have some form of recognition like Dominion of Melchizedek......some are defunct, like Rose Island, Sealand.... some are more of a joking nature.

I think this is the most known one because they hired peopple from arround the world for citizenship. I asked for the citizenship three years ago with some of my friends, two of them received LiberLand passports. I don't really know if this can mean anything, when i guess it should be a big step for a micronation to create its own passport.

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Quote from: sheenshane on April 29, 2019, 02:24:44 PM

Quote from: ðºÞæ on April 29, 2019, 10:52:47 AM

Quote from: Mometaskers on April 29, 2019, 10:31:10 AM

Which one of those was the one located in the US? Had a good laugh when the "founder" was asked if they pay US taxes and he said it's "foreign aid".

As of now seasteading is really the only way to go and try to get away from nations' "territorial waters". Hopefully that Thailand fiasco don't discourage people. If that French Polynesia project don't also get wrecked by the government, it could provide good experience on how to make a self-sustaining settlement.

Most likely The Kingdom of Talossa or The Dominion of British West Florida

You may also try to check this micronation. Federated States of Micronesia: https://www.britannica.com/place/Micronesia-republic-Pacific-Ocean

This small island would possibly become seated as it is so much near to the Thai. I'm not so much sure if I am actually making a point but you may also try to check this out. This nation has a unique tradition and still have their ethnic people.

Micronesia has hundreds of islands, i have visited that nation.
Nearby Nauru is much smaller, or Dominion of Melchizedek which seem to have a 50 year lease from the Marshall Islands and is currently not inhabited.

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Quote from: ðºÞæ on April 29, 2019, 10:52:47 AM

Quote from: Mometaskers on April 29, 2019, 10:31:10 AM

Which one of those was the one located in the US? Had a good laugh when the "founder" was asked if they pay US taxes and he said it's "foreign aid".

As of now seasteading is really the only way to go and try to get away from nations' "territorial waters". Hopefully that Thailand fiasco don't discourage people. If that French Polynesia project don't also get wrecked by the government, it could provide good experience on how to make a self-sustaining settlement.

Most likely The Kingdom of Talossa or The Dominion of British West Florida

You may also try to check this micronation. Federated States of Micronesia: https://www.britannica.com/place/Micronesia-republic-Pacific-Ocean

This small island would possibly become seated as it is so much near to the Thai. I'm not so much sure if I am actually making a point but you may also try to check this out. This nation has a unique tradition and still have their ethnic people.

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Quote from: Mometaskers on April 29, 2019, 10:31:10 AM

Which one of those was the one located in the US? Had a good laugh when the "founder" was asked if they pay US taxes and he said it's "foreign aid".

As of now seasteading is really the only way to go and try to get away from nations' "territorial waters". Hopefully that Thailand fiasco don't discourage people. If that French Polynesia project don't also get wrecked by the government, it could provide good experience on how to make a self-sustaining settlement.

Most likely The Kingdom of Talossa or The Dominion of British West Florida

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Which one of those was the one located in the US? Had a good laugh when the "founder" was asked if they pay US taxes and he said it's "foreign aid".

As of now seasteading is really the only way to go and try to get away from nations' "territorial waters". Hopefully that Thailand fiasco don't discourage people. If that French Polynesia project don't also get wrecked by the government, it could provide good experience on how to make a self-sustaining settlement.

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Quote from: Beerwizzard on April 29, 2019, 06:55:12 AM

Quote from: ðºÞæ on April 29, 2019, 12:38:07 AM

Most aim just a peaceful life in harmony with nature and freedom. Hoons like Thai military who operate 100% outside of the law, simply with a gun in the hand are recognized, it tells all.

All those micronations totally depend on the legit countries, on which territory they exist.
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So on which territory is Bir_Tawil? Here is wikis entry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil

What is a legit country? The "legit" extermination far outnumbers any world war. Pol Pot executed 2.2 Mil. Mao Zedong legit killed 5 million and another 20 million starved to dead, with Hitler 17 Mil died, Leopold II disposed 15 million Congolese legally, Stalin 10, only 5 million stood in Hideki Tojo way, Kim Jong-Il, Idi Amin Dada, Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Yakubu Gowon, Omar al-Bashir, Ismail Enver Pasha.......... all legit.

Posting about not eating pork and live healthy (nothing politically) will get you legitly taken away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOAbkTs_a4

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Quote from: ðºÞæ on April 29, 2019, 12:38:07 AM

Most aim just a peaceful life in harmony with nature and freedom. Hoons like Thai military who operate 100% outside of the law, simply with a gun in the hand are recognized, it tells all.

All those micronations totally depend on the legit countries, on which territory they exist. I think that even many EU countries won't tolerate any attempts to build some other nation inside their border.
To make a true micronation you should be sure that property rights are fully secured in your country. Not only Thailand is that bad, it feels like only US and some other countries may allow to make a micronation inside their borders.

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Quote from: Artemis3 on April 28, 2019, 04:37:12 PM

Quote from: ðºÞæ on April 28, 2019, 03:46:49 PM

Lets look at some Micronations after the recent Seastead piracy act by the Thai military dictatorship operating like a Mob.

If you know any others drop a line. I think in Slab City land is also being sold now.

And which one of those are internationally recognized by the major powers? I haven't checked all of them, but the principality of Sealand didn't end too well...

Most are in the process of establishing a free independent nation, like freesociety, liberland.....others have some form of recognition like Dominion of Melchizedek......some are defunct, like Rose Island, Sealand.... some are more of a joking nature.

Most aim just a peaceful life in harmony with nature and freedom. Hoons like Thai military who operate 100% outside of the law, simply with a gun in the hand are recognized, it tells all.

A society based on voluntary interactions instead of government force, is the future. Down with forces, taxes and orchestrated violence.

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Lol, one of these micronations is located in my country - it's Republic of Užupis. It's a neighbourhood of of Lithuania capital Vilnius. This republic have their own flag, anthem, constitution and unofficial currency. They celebrate their independence day on April 1st.
Personally, for me this country always been big WTF and sometimes I'm wondering what they smoke.

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