Sorry but I really dont see the problem here. Doesn't it make this more serious and makes clearly sense?
They buy the hardware. You buy as much from it, as you want. They take care for the miner (this and the power it needs are part of the 10%) and it runs as long as it makes sense. If it stopped making sense sell it togheter and get the most out of it. I wish every service would do this for such prices.....
Topic: [Minershare.net] We sell Bitcoin miner shares [$4/GHs], KnC Neptune #1 batch - page 2. (Read 5418 times)
January 30, 2014, 04:58:14 PM
January 30, 2014, 02:43:54 PM
I just got a mail from Minershare:
By purchasing for example 10% of a miner, you get 10% of the actual hardware. If it's 3300 GH/s - you get 330 GH/s. If in the end we sell it (depends on what customers want us to do), you get 10% cut of the sale price.
This makes it more interesting
it is safe if KNC does not deliver on time, but does offer extra mining power.
By purchasing for example 10% of a miner, you get 10% of the actual hardware. If it's 3300 GH/s - you get 330 GH/s. If in the end we sell it (depends on what customers want us to do), you get 10% cut of the sale price.
This makes it more interesting
it is safe if KNC does not deliver on time, but does offer extra mining power.
Hmmm.. a red flag to me... who is in the business to give away stuff? We're purchasing a block of 30Gh/s, not a % of a miner.
January 30, 2014, 02:40:05 PM
I just got a mail from Minershare:
By purchasing for example 10% of a miner, you get 10% of the actual hardware. If it's 3300 GH/s - you get 330 GH/s. If in the end we sell it (depends on what customers want us to do), you get 10% cut of the sale price.
This makes it more interesting
it is safe if KNC does not deliver on time, but does offer extra mining power.
By purchasing for example 10% of a miner, you get 10% of the actual hardware. If it's 3300 GH/s - you get 330 GH/s. If in the end we sell it (depends on what customers want us to do), you get 10% cut of the sale price.
This makes it more interesting
it is safe if KNC does not deliver on time, but does offer extra mining power.
January 30, 2014, 12:12:37 PM
This calculation is too positive.
You are saying that the difficulty increments will decrease each jump by 3%, this is so wrong...
As soon as all the Cointerra units start mining... haha, I think we will see jumps of 35% or higher.
You are also including that bitcoin will be worth 1% more with each jump, this is very speculative, could be 10% or maybe -10%.
AND you are forgetting the 10% fee...
AND your calculation starts from today...
You are saying that the difficulty increments will decrease each jump by 3%, this is so wrong...
As soon as all the Cointerra units start mining... haha, I think we will see jumps of 35% or higher.
You are also including that bitcoin will be worth 1% more with each jump, this is very speculative, could be 10% or maybe -10%.
AND you are forgetting the 10% fee...
AND your calculation starts from today...
Feel free to think and decide what you want. It's not my company, but I try to share my thoughts and answer your questions. But please be honest: As you can read above I did not forgot the 10% fee as well as I did not forgot the delay for the hardware ("hardware lead time"). Everything else is extreme speculative and I would suggest ANYONE, use only money you have. If there wouldn't be the slightest risk, would they offer it in public to make such discussions possible. They would offer the whole 10 units to an investor.
Back in 2011 everybody told the power costs more than the bitcoins you earn. Personaly I mined 33.4 bitcoins till now (most of them with my gfx card). This was a risk and I used my opportunity. Make you own decision which risks you take and which not. As the calculator suggests (indirectly) you can also make a buy in and hold bitcoins. Or you can do nothing, live your life and don't profit and/or have risks related to BTC.
January 30, 2014, 11:48:08 AM
Feel free to pay them the way you like it. I'm sure the possibility of a chargeback is some additional security, but I've used BTC to invest into it.
About the other problems: They may have some technical gliches but are very very friendly. Some arguments which convinced me:
There isn't any 100% proof for nearly anything. But for me this is enough. As I said, I personaly think the worst what could happen with this guys would be if they have to refund because KnC doesn't deliver. Try to see it from their view too: What else could they do to proof that they are legit?
If the machines have more than 3 TH I doesn't care as long as I and people who found them via me get what we have on our contract. They are clearly defining the borders. If there are getting more than 3 TH, they could be perhaps extremly generous and reduce the 10% fee (you have to ask them).
Addtitionaly (again): Use this calc http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=2193847870&dcosts=1200&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=300000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=849.32&dpowcon=0&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=4&action=calc to calculate what it means when they have delays or ajust it according your predicitions and decide then.
About the other problems: They may have some technical gliches but are very very friendly. Some arguments which convinced me:
- They offer to show you their ID-scans and personal data when you want this
- They showed details of their order of the KnCs
- Their whole story looks legit to me and they are currently offering to a small circle already some miners (ask them for a proof, if you are unsure)
- If they would scam, they wouldn't invest time/ressources into their website (which is ready for real use, what you can see when your account is activated)
- They have replied to me with real names sometimes
- They are not offshore, they live in Scandinavia and KnC is produced there too
- They offer a refund if KnC delivers not till the end of march
- They offer a general 14 days money back guarantee
- They take a 10% fee from the payouts which makes only sense if they payout
There isn't any 100% proof for nearly anything. But for me this is enough. As I said, I personaly think the worst what could happen with this guys would be if they have to refund because KnC doesn't deliver. Try to see it from their view too: What else could they do to proof that they are legit?
If the machines have more than 3 TH I doesn't care as long as I and people who found them via me get what we have on our contract. They are clearly defining the borders. If there are getting more than 3 TH, they could be perhaps extremly generous and reduce the 10% fee (you have to ask them).
Addtitionaly (again): Use this calc http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=2193847870&dcosts=1200&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=300000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=849.32&dpowcon=0&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=4&action=calc to calculate what it means when they have delays or ajust it according your predicitions and decide then.
This calculation is too positive.
You are saying that the difficulty increments will decrease each jump by 3%, this is so wrong...
As soon as all the Cointerra units start mining... haha, I think we will see jumps of 35% or higher.
You are also including that bitcoin will be worth 1% more with each jump, this is very speculative, could be 10% or maybe -10%.
AND you are forgetting the 10% fee...
AND your calculation starts from today...
January 30, 2014, 11:22:27 AM
They never showed the Full order of 10 miners. The screenshot they posted here was for 3 or 4 miners, that's it. (Now even that is gone)
Did you asked them via mail for it? Did they say no?
January 30, 2014, 11:20:12 AM
That makes it a no deal for me
There is no way that they will deliver before 15 March, this means a refund or more hashing power for the same price.
No extra power means no profit.
Delivery after 2014-03-02 means no profit.
There is no way that they will deliver before 15 March, this means a refund or more hashing power for the same price.
No extra power means no profit.
Delivery after 2014-03-02 means no profit.
It depends on the hash power you order. As much hashpower you have and as soon as possible you can use it to mine, the more lucrative it is. For my 300 example, I'm getting about 100% ROI.
January 30, 2014, 11:19:47 AM
Feel free to pay them the way you like it. I'm sure the possibility of a chargeback is some additional security, but I've used BTC to invest into it.
About the other problems: They may have some technical gliches but are very very friendly. Some arguments which convinced me:
There isn't any 100% proof for nearly anything. But for me this is enough. As I said, I personaly think the worst what could happen with this guys would be if they have to refund because KnC doesn't deliver. Try to see it from their view too: What else could they do to proof that they are legit?
If the machines have more than 3 TH I doesn't care as long as I and people who found them via me get what we have on our contract. They are clearly defining the borders. If there are getting more than 3 TH, they could be perhaps extremly generous and reduce the 10% fee (you have to ask them).
Addtitionaly (again): Use this calc http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=2193847870&dcosts=1200&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=300000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=849.32&dpowcon=0&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=4&action=calc to calculate what it means when they have delays.
About the other problems: They may have some technical gliches but are very very friendly. Some arguments which convinced me:
- They offer to show you their ID-scans and personal data when you want this
- They showed details of their order of the KnCs
- Their whole story looks legit to me and they are currently offering to a small circle already some miners (ask them for a proof, if you are unsure)
- If they would scam, they wouldn't invest time/ressources into their website (which is ready for real use, what you can see when your account is activated)
- They have replied to me with real names sometimes
- They are not offshore, they live in Scandinavia and KnC is produced there too
- They offer a refund if KnC delivers not till the end of march
- They offer a general 14 days money back guarantee
- They take a 10% fee from the payouts which makes only sense if they payout
There isn't any 100% proof for nearly anything. But for me this is enough. As I said, I personaly think the worst what could happen with this guys would be if they have to refund because KnC doesn't deliver. Try to see it from their view too: What else could they do to proof that they are legit?
If the machines have more than 3 TH I doesn't care as long as I and people who found them via me get what we have on our contract. They are clearly defining the borders. If there are getting more than 3 TH, they could be perhaps extremly generous and reduce the 10% fee (you have to ask them).
Addtitionaly (again): Use this calc http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=2193847870&dcosts=1200&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=300000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=849.32&dpowcon=0&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=4&action=calc to calculate what it means when they have delays.
They never showed the Full order of 10 miners. The screenshot they posted here was for 3 or 4 miners, that's it. (Now even that is gone)
January 30, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Feel free to pay them the way you like it. I'm sure the possibility of a chargeback is some additional security, but I've used BTC to invest into it.
About the other problems: They may have some technical gliches but are very very friendly. Some arguments which convinced me:
There isn't any 100% proof for nearly anything. But for me this is enough. As I said, I personaly think the worst what could happen with this guys would be if they have to refund because KnC doesn't deliver. Try to see it from their view too: What else could they do to proof that they are legit?
If the machines have more than 3 TH I doesn't care as long as I and people who found them via me get what we have on our contract. They are clearly defining the borders. If there are getting more than 3 TH, they could be perhaps extremly generous and reduce the 10% fee (you have to ask them).
Addtitionaly (again): Use this calc http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=2193847870&dcosts=1200&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=300000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=849.32&dpowcon=0&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=4&action=calc to calculate what it means when they have delays or ajust it according your predicitions and decide then.
About the other problems: They may have some technical gliches but are very very friendly. Some arguments which convinced me:
- They offer to show you their ID-scans and personal data when you want this
- They showed details of their order of the KnCs
- Their whole story looks legit to me and they are currently offering to a small circle already some miners (ask them for a proof, if you are unsure)
- If they would scam, they wouldn't invest time/ressources into their website (which is ready for real use, what you can see when your account is activated)
- They have replied to me with real names sometimes
- They are not offshore, they live in Scandinavia and KnC is produced there too
- They offer a refund if KnC delivers not till the end of march
- They offer a general 14 days money back guarantee
- They take a 10% fee from the payouts which makes only sense if they payout
There isn't any 100% proof for nearly anything. But for me this is enough. As I said, I personaly think the worst what could happen with this guys would be if they have to refund because KnC doesn't deliver. Try to see it from their view too: What else could they do to proof that they are legit?
If the machines have more than 3 TH I doesn't care as long as I and people who found them via me get what we have on our contract. They are clearly defining the borders. If there are getting more than 3 TH, they could be perhaps extremly generous and reduce the 10% fee (you have to ask them).
Addtitionaly (again): Use this calc http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=2193847870&dcosts=1200&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=300000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=849.32&dpowcon=0&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=4&action=calc to calculate what it means when they have delays or ajust it according your predicitions and decide then.
January 30, 2014, 11:07:09 AM
That makes it a no deal for me
There is no way that they will deliver before 15 March, this means a refund or more hashing power for the same price.
No extra power means no profit.
Delivery after 2014-03-02 means no profit.
There is no way that they will deliver before 15 March, this means a refund or more hashing power for the same price.
No extra power means no profit.
Delivery after 2014-03-02 means no profit.
Even if they don't deliver by 15th of March the resent developments of BA delay will make this profitable, just not by as much.
They cant really drop the $ as it's what they are paying for units and good luck finding anything even remotely close to $4/Gh's any time soon.
January 30, 2014, 11:03:09 AM
That makes it a no deal for me
There is no way that they will deliver before 15 March, this means a refund or more hashing power for the same price.
No extra power means no profit.
Delivery after 2014-03-02 means no profit.
There is no way that they will deliver before 15 March, this means a refund or more hashing power for the same price.
No extra power means no profit.
Delivery after 2014-03-02 means no profit.
January 30, 2014, 11:00:11 AM
KNC states on their website that they will deliver extra hashing power when they do not deliver on time.
What happens with that extra hasing power?
Or what if the machines are having more than 3 Tera hash like everyone is speculating about?
What happens with that extra hasing power?
Or what if the machines are having more than 3 Tera hash like everyone is speculating about?
I am more concerned about them pulling a BlackArrow and saying we'll ship in 3 month.
We pay for specific 30GH/s block.. so if they have more hashpower then they can either sell it or keep it for themselves. We're not buying actual miners here.
January 30, 2014, 10:55:35 AM
KNC states on their website that they will deliver extra hashing power when they do not deliver on time.
What happens with that extra hasing power?
Or what if the machines are having more than 3 Tera hash like everyone is speculating about?
What happens with that extra hasing power?
Or what if the machines are having more than 3 Tera hash like everyone is speculating about?
January 30, 2014, 10:52:31 AM
Hi All,
just registered only for this posting
I am really interrested in this offer and like to by 5 shares but also have some questions...
On which points do you pin this offer that it is not another SCAM?
What are these referall accounts and what to do with it? When do I get one?
What are you paying with? BTC or Skrill as PayPal does not work
just registered only for this posting
I am really interrested in this offer and like to by 5 shares but also have some questions...
On which points do you pin this offer that it is not another SCAM?
What are these referall accounts and what to do with it? When do I get one?
What are you paying with? BTC or Skrill as PayPal does not work
Well, I am still not 100% sure this is legit because of some issues I posted earlier in the thread.
I mean why would they need a referral program when they only have 10 machines at $4Gh/s
If that was all I was trying to do I wouldn't even think of making it as where else can you get $4Gh/s?I am going to pay with CC via Skrill to cover myself in case of any fraud, so strongly advise you do the same.
PS. I am not saying this is fraud offer, but none of them are here to even reply to anything. If they we're interested in selling all the shares they wouldn't really need a referral program and just pocket the difference by answering a question or 2 here.
January 30, 2014, 10:45:28 AM
Hi All,
just registered only for this posting
I am really interrested in this offer and like to by 5 shares but also have some questions...
On which points do you pin this offer that it is not another SCAM?
What are these referall accounts and what to do with it? When do I get one?
What are you paying with? BTC or Skrill as PayPal does not work
just registered only for this posting
I am really interrested in this offer and like to by 5 shares but also have some questions...
On which points do you pin this offer that it is not another SCAM?
What are these referall accounts and what to do with it? When do I get one?
What are you paying with? BTC or Skrill as PayPal does not work
January 30, 2014, 10:19:00 AM
Because you get it after they have "activated" your order. Then you get the customer # and with your choose password you can login.
If you pay through Skrill they tell you "Please include this Customer # in your Skrill payment"
If you close or refresh that page.., that number they show goes away or changes. So you don't know what order to note in Skrill the $$ apply to.
January 30, 2014, 09:57:33 AM
Because you get it after they have "activated" your order. Then you get the customer # and with your choose password you can login.
January 30, 2014, 09:55:42 AM
The Invoice emails do not include the Customer #. why not? hmmm
January 30, 2014, 09:46:12 AM
1. In answered this via PM - I was able to login a few secs ago.
2. Thats weird. Think here is the currency the problem. 3.049$ looks like the 2400$ in BTC. Im sure if you send them 2.4k in $ or 3.049 in BTC they will reserve you your shares.
2. Thats weird. Think here is the currency the problem. 3.049$ looks like the 2400$ in BTC. Im sure if you send them 2.4k in $ or 3.049 in BTC they will reserve you your shares.
#1 Yep, working.
#2 yeah, it should be BTC not $, a minor bug on their side.
January 30, 2014, 09:43:48 AM
1. In answered this via PM - I was able to login a few secs ago.
2. Thats weird. Think here is the currency the problem. 3.049$ looks like the 2400$ in BTC. Im sure if you send them 2.4k in $ or 3.049 in BTC they will reserve you your shares.
2. Thats weird. Think here is the currency the problem. 3.049$ looks like the 2400$ in BTC. Im sure if you send them 2.4k in $ or 3.049 in BTC they will reserve you your shares.
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