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newbie
Activity: 35
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July 23, 2013, 05:22:47 PM
But.... if it is a research project you can check out my work here...
http://hardcoreforensics.com
At least at the end of it you will have a scrap board that has a significant amount of memory, PSU's and a PCI interface...

Did you ever look at the Pano Logic G2 modules? http://www.ebay.com/itm/200880792833
The G2 version have Spartan6 LX150 in them, would have been cool to do something about it, I have one, and will read your project to see if I can learn something.

Hackaday wrote about them earlier this year: http://hackaday.com/2013/01/11/ask-hackaday-we-might-have-some-fpgas-to-hack/
sr. member
Activity: 399
Merit: 250
July 22, 2013, 10:28:46 PM
Just curious - is this project still alive?

I'm not selling them, it is simply not profitable.

I'm running quite a large number for myself.

Such a shame indeed..  However is it possible to get a copy of the schematics and pcb files so that I can try myself?

It is not worth it....... At the current hash rate and difficulty , you have about 1 month before you loose money....

Run the costings
http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/

But.... if it is a research project you can check out my work here...
http://hardcoreforensics.com
At least at the end of it you will have a scrap board that has a significant amount of memory, PSU's and a PCI interface...
member
Activity: 61
Merit: 10
July 18, 2013, 01:03:37 PM
Just curious - is this project still alive?

I'm not selling them, it is simply not profitable.

I'm running quite a large number for myself.

Such a shame indeed..  However is it possible to get a copy of the schematics and pcb files so that I can try myself?
newbie
Activity: 52
Merit: 0
May 18, 2013, 09:11:29 PM
That's a shame Sad
donator
Activity: 980
Merit: 1004
felonious vagrancy, personified
April 30, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
Just curious - is this project still alive?

I'm not selling them, it is simply not profitable.

I'm running quite a large number for myself.
vs3
hero member
Activity: 622
Merit: 500
April 30, 2013, 01:57:45 AM
Just curious - is this project still alive?
sr. member
Activity: 330
Merit: 250
April 21, 2013, 11:39:37 AM
How does it look today?
donator
Activity: 980
Merit: 1004
felonious vagrancy, personified
June 23, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
How are you boards coming along?

I've been mining on them for several months now.


have you given any more consideration to selling?

No, I don't really want to be in the board-making business.
sr. member
Activity: 471
Merit: 256
June 23, 2012, 04:13:07 PM
How are you boards coming along? Any more details on your hash rates/problems you encountered/have you given any more consideration to selling?
sr. member
Activity: 283
Merit: 250
Making a better tomorrow, tomorrow.
May 02, 2012, 09:46:39 PM
Thats a very nice looking board at a competitive price, subscribing!
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250
The king and the pawn go in the same box @ endgame
February 01, 2012, 07:31:41 PM
Interesting
hero member
Activity: 2492
Merit: 548
8ombard - Pick, Play, Prosper!
January 25, 2012, 11:54:21 PM
Updates on the project?
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
December 05, 2011, 01:12:05 PM
I'm well aware of how I can buy bitcoins. However, my intention is not to simply buy into them; after all, market trends show that to be somewhat negligible a route for someone expecting to profit from this. No, my only intention is to add to the market and trade as much as I can on the coin alone.

Course, I could buy just a coin or two, but I'm just going to get into mining. And besides that, I'm not very confident in my trade skills.
donator
Activity: 532
Merit: 501
We have cookies
December 05, 2011, 01:00:16 PM
I must say, months ago when I first stumbled upon the bitcoin, I lost hope in ever utilizing it as a online payment alternative because of GPU+Power costs, and the fact that the value dropped greatly within 2 months (Back when I was concerned with profiting from it, alone).
May be you misunderstood how the bitcoin works ?
You don't need to mine bitcoins for using it as online payment system. You just earn or buy coins when you need them.
newbie
Activity: 18
Merit: 0
December 05, 2011, 10:16:18 AM
I must say, months ago when I first stumbled upon the bitcoin, I lost hope in ever utilizing it as a online payment alternative because of GPU+Power costs, and the fact that the value dropped greatly within 2 months (Back when I was concerned with profiting from it, alone).

I'd be able to afford these up-and-coming FPGA boards, and would be willing to tag along with a few pools. I am devoted again thanks to these recent advancements.

What'll they think up next?  Cheesy
aTg
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
November 10, 2011, 07:50:23 AM
PCI-e is just a pain in the ass for mining. You need gold finger controlled impedance PCBs, a
flash PROM to configure the FPGA before the PC BIOS scans the bus, much more complex
interface logic in the FPGA, more complex SW, and possibly a $$$$ high speed scope if
something goes wrong, just to provide insane amounts of bandwidth you don't even need.

Plus, putting 16 $150 BGAs onto a single giant PCB is a bad idea. 1 out of every 20-30 boards will have
a critical defect under 1 of the FPGAs, costing you either $2400 to scrap the board, or a bunch of time and
money to try to remove/reball/repair it. There's a good manufacturability reason to use only 1-2 FPGAs per PCB -
if something goes very wrong you're out $300, not $2000.

-rph


That oblem is solved using a socket on the motherboard or something like what you have invented in your design.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
November 10, 2011, 07:04:01 AM
WOW FPGA really is picking some steam. I think ngzhang took it to the next level with his really neat professional board. Now only if the cost was reasonable Grin
hero member
Activity: 592
Merit: 501
We will stand and fight.
November 10, 2011, 03:32:09 AM
PCI-e is just a pain in the ass for mining. You need gold finger controlled impedance PCBs, a
flash PROM to configure the FPGA before the PC BIOS scans the bus, much more complex
interface logic in the FPGA, more complex SW, and possibly a $$$$ high speed scope if
something goes wrong, just to provide insane amounts of bandwidth you don't even need.

Plus, putting 16 $150 BGAs onto a single giant PCB is a bad idea. 1 out of every 20-30 boards will have
a critical defect under 1 of the FPGAs, costing you either $2400 to scrap the board, or a bunch of time and
money to try to remove/reball/repair it. There's a good manufacturability reason to use only 1-2 FPGAs per PCB -
if something goes very wrong you're out $300, not $2000.

-rph


totally  agree with you.

What the hell, with a high speed CPLD you can probably bitbang pcie, last time I checked those cost around $5.
Some of those can interface with almost and logic level & impendace.

The thing what concerns me is: Why use a PC anyway? We could possibly implement the mining software on a cheap ARM, pair it with a ethernet MAC ic and be done with it.

on my design, the upper computer only need send and receive mining datas, so a hacked router is enough.

What the hell, with a high speed CPLD you can probably bitbang pcie, last time I checked those cost around $5.
Some of those can interface with almost and logic level & impendace.

The thing what concerns me is: Why use a PC anyway? We could possibly implement the mining software on a cheap ARM, pair it with a ethernet MAC ic and be done with it.

Scalability.  If you wanted to build a 20G/s cluster are you going to have 100 cases, 100 boards, 100 ARM processors, 100 ethernet ports, 100 wallwart power-supplies?

no case, 100 boards, 1 arm processor, 1 Ethernet ports, 2~3KW  12V power-supplies is ok.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1057
Marketing manager - GO MP
November 10, 2011, 02:45:12 AM
Just try to jam as many fpgas on the board as possible, I know the whole fault rate issue as described by rph... Just make one faulty board cost less to repair than a pc and you're done.

However: 1HE 48port switch, 47 1HE units * 64 Spartan-6 LX150 * 180MH = 541 GH/Rack
Ok costs would probably kill it the fpgas alone would cost almost half a million dollar  Grin
donator
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1079
Gerald Davis
November 10, 2011, 02:27:33 AM
What the hell, with a high speed CPLD you can probably bitbang pcie, last time I checked those cost around $5.
Some of those can interface with almost and logic level & impendace.

The thing what concerns me is: Why use a PC anyway? We could possibly implement the mining software on a cheap ARM, pair it with a ethernet MAC ic and be done with it.

Scalability.  If you wanted to build a 20G/s cluster are you going to have 100 cases, 100 boards, 100 ARM processors, 100 ethernet ports, 100 wallwart power-supplies?
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