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Topic: Mining Bitcoins should be renamed to burying. - page 2. (Read 4864 times)

sr. member
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Generating Bitcoins wastes electricity

No.
Yes it does. I mined solo with my 5850 at a difficulty of 3 million at the time for several months, I didn't find a block. Was that electricity not wasted since I didn't even help the network?

What you were doing by expending that energy, was decreasing the chances (read: probability) of a malicious attacker with 'x' amount of hashing power from being able to perform an attack on the bitcoin network (read: payment verification network).

Some of those were my payments, and I paid fees for that protection. Not wasted at all, I think.
legendary
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Generating Bitcoins wastes electricity
Rendering stuff on your computer wastes electricity too judging by your logic.

Know of anybody who renders stuff only to get more media then the other guy while both pipe it to null?
I don't.
legendary
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According to my precise calculations, the number of people who decide to sit at home watching BTC tickers and reading bitcointalk.org vs. jumping in their car and burning fuel to go hiking or something makes Bitcoin deeply carbon-negative.



Best point yet. But no, that the arms race has lead to viewing it as a heating substitute speaks volumes.
legendary
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According to my precise calculations, the number of people who decide to sit at home watching BTC tickers and reading bitcointalk.org vs. jumping in their car and burning fuel to go hiking or something makes Bitcoin deeply carbon-negative.

legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
Generating Bitcoins wastes electricity

No.
Yes it does. I mined solo with my 5850 at a difficulty of 3 million at the time for several months, I didn't find a block. Was that electricity not wasted since I didn't even help the network?
Actually the system worked perfectly: it stopped a random guy with a 5850 from doing a 51% attack.
legendary
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Reverse engineer from time to time
Generating Bitcoins wastes electricity

No.
Yes it does. I mined solo with my 5850 at a difficulty of 3 million at the time for several months, I didn't find a block. Was that electricity not wasted since I didn't even help the network?
legendary
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"Mining" makes more sense to the layman because it invokes the idea of "hard work done" to gain a certain limited resource.

But there is no "hard work" being done.  Huh The "miners" simply guess random nonces until one is found that will produce a valid hashed block. It's similar to throwing spaghetti against a wall until one keeps sticking to the wall and declaring that one the winner.

Well the nature of "proof of work" is in computer terms, hard work.

Real mining involves digging and hoping this batch of dirt has the shiny stuff, I can see a very direct analogy here.

hero member
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"Mining" makes more sense to the layman because it invokes the idea of "hard work done" to gain a certain limited resource.

But there is no "hard work" being done.  Huh The "miners" simply guess random nonces until one is found that will produce a valid hashed block. It's similar to throwing spaghetti against a wall until one keeps sticking to the wall and declaring that one the winner.
hero member
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Are you like these guys?

So I propose mining should be renamed, or stopped being used to describe generating Bitcoins.


Request politely declined.

I happen to like the term 'mining' and when I liberate the coins for free use via mining, I'm turning them into bullion or fiat, not burying them like a dog buries a bone making it inert and useless.

Smiley

legendary
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Is this some sort of inquisition?
I made a habit of pointing out ridiculous things about Bitcoin long before ripple came along.   If you don't like how I post there is a bright yellow button at the left that spares you my insights. But then please don't post in my threads.

This thread is not about that though.
It is about how dumb the term "mining" is.  It was called generating Bitcoins at the start, which is a way better term. The introduction post was just my way of pointing that out.

"Mining" makes more sense to the layman because it invokes the idea of "hard work done" to gain a certain limited resource.

"Generating" does not invoke the same image to most people.

Also many things mined in the real world do not allow for electrical generation by burning or changing. The most obvious analogy being Gold.

We mine Gold for which most is used for jewelry or a store or wealth (use in electrical components is a very small amount of worldwide usage.)

Mining Bitcoins is quite similar to mining Gold with respect to work done to gain a shiny material as a store of wealth.
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
Fail thread, mining is for security, not to generate coin. You can generate all the coin you want with a single cpu at difficulty 1. The whole difficulty and mining thing is for security. And security is never cheap.
legendary
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Is this some sort of inquisition?
I made a habit of pointing out ridiculous things about Bitcoin long before ripple came along.   If you don't like how I post there is a bright yellow button at the left that spares you my insights. But then please don't post in my threads.

This thread is not about that though.
It is about how dumb the term "mining" is.  It was called generating Bitcoins at the start, which is a way better term. The introduction post was just my way of pointing that out.
legendary
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Wait, isn't ElectricMucus one of the Ripple shills?

who are you?

I used to post in the Ripple threads (Alt-coin section) questioning their system, and I remember some user account with "Mucus" in was always right on time to defend them (Ripple). I might be wrong and it might not be you, just feels like it was especially as you are here now bashing Bitcoin.
legendary
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Wait, isn't ElectricMucus one of the Ripple shills?

who are you?
legendary
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Wait, isn't ElectricMucus one of the Ripple shills?
legendary
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I think this is dumb

It's intended to be dumb. That is because it was called the right term all along and this is the only way to highlight how dumb "mining" is.
alp
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Basically it goes like this: Mining coal gets something out of the ground that can be turned into electricity.

Generating Bitcoins wastes electricity consuming coal. That coal is then buried inside the blockchain (It's not but the carbon dioxide which was released in the process is there.)
Buring is the opposite of digging, or if you will you have to dig something out first (earth or coal) in order to bury.

So I propose mining should be renamed, or stopped being used to describe generating Bitcoins.
thanks for your attention

your
Electric Mucus

Mining is not exclusively related to uncovering energy.  Mining gold does not create energy.  Mining iron does not create energy.  Should that be renamed to burying gold?
sr. member
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I think this is dumb
legendary
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I think it's a bet late to get this changed for some damn political problem you see. Collect over 51% of the clients signatures from the Internet and the change goes through. That's how we work here.

No it just has to catch on.


Whoever came up with the term mining anyway? Generating Bitcoins works fine, it's catchy, descriptive and isn't confusing to anybody.
Hell coining or minting would do better.

Btw, I buried a huge turd this morning.
sr. member
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I think it's a bet late to get this changed for some damn political problem you see. Collect over 51% of the clients signatures from the Internet and the change goes through. That's how we work here.
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