Topic: Mining Hardware Company Dishonesty Ranking (Read 1888 times)

AMEN! conflict of interest.

Back to the topic....My consumer experience.

BFL: Paid in late November 2013 for monarch. got assurances in writing it would be delivered in January, asked in January and got pushed a month each time until I requested a refund which they took their sweet as time giving (June after a request in January and another more forceful request in May). In that time frame I provided the FTC all the info they needed to take action. Now that company is in receivership they have those emails anyway....FTC should not need my emails.

AMT: paid in February 2014....AMT lies about delivery dates knowing miners are not even assembled or working 2 months of wrangling in the forums over wtf is going on and then I get a miner that they KNEW did not work despite assurances otherwise....months of drama with all customers some suing some working with them (which I did) on a technical level to resolve issues with no comp.....only to receive miners that sorely under-perform.  Because of all the unethical crap Joshua Zipkin stated in the chats trying to work to make things right (he had no intentions of refunding....chats are doxxed so it can be reviewed at anyones leisure).....one non-customer decided he had his time wasted and doxxed the chats. Afterwards I was fed up after all the work I put in to help only to have him fuck me over by not delivering my miner as everyone was getting theirs. He routed someone elses rejected order to me.

Bitmaintech: I order hardware, and they are either early or on time. My biggest issue is when they are early and my order arrives days to a week earlier than they expected.......a good problem to have IMO. I have no connection to bitmain whatsoever besides being a customer. Support is excellent. They are responsive.

Yes its toxic because i hate lying POS like you? and expose your lies?

Do you see me ever posting lies for my own benefits? lies to get donation?

This is all started because you reply to me that i've mistaken you with someone else. Many members here long enough can recall your early posts. I never even replied to your early posts, I read it and chuckled: pathetic liar. So guess why i call you out now? .....  

And you dare to call me a liar? :


Notice i never ditch your guides because i thought you've changed ..... Until your recent balantly BS posts in Bitmain's thread. I didnt even want to reply to your post, i replied to a fellow hero member who recalled what a joke you were.....

So fan the flames? Given your own brand of spam why are you not going to get banned as well? Well off topic again.

I don't really care if you are biased, not biased, or think you are unbiased.

Why don't people post their thoughts beside us? I'd be keen to hear what consumers think over people fighting about you and your list.

Seems to me you have about 10 threads and post in another 10 and this "fight" is spilling over everywhere. How about less you and more consumer discussion?

Way off topic. Topic was rank bottom up.

For me no real need to do that as I have stated in my own thread my reasoning.

He's spoiling to be banned, every post he makes [on any topic] is toxic / off topic.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/seriouscoin-54366
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/seriouscoin-54366
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/seriouscoin-54366

Thought this was about rating Hardware companies not the people who rate the hardware companies?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9130013
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9131180

tldr you're mad that S2 firmware isn't coming quicker, and as I'm the only person around so you throw your frustrations out at me. I'm not the entity bitmain, nor do I have any control on software or the engineers.

    That's ridiculous, thinking that anyone who has a different point of view to yours has a "vendetta" against you......

Please.....

I have to agree, even if he did work for them, his reviews have been very objective. About as much as they can get. There are people hating on here, but he has done excellent work, and his body of work on the reviews speaks for itself.

A huge red flag is if the threads for a manufacturer are self-moderated. It opens the door for abuse by the manufacturer. They can curate the thread to make themselves look good. A number of the shady (in fact almost all of them) have one. Usually you will see a secondary user owned (unofficial or users or fucks us) threads pop up. That should be pretty much the way you will know what is going on. Most of the shadier dealers will claim its paid black marketing and such, but really it's almost always people who exposed their crap. Just gotta be willing to do the research. After all it's your money you are spending. If you are not willing to do the research, then you are setting yourself up for losing money, take it from someone who has already been burned twice.

The thing is though, how can I be biased for / against every company at once? Patman has a personal vendetta against me, so I wouldn't care too much about what he says. Ps, I'm not an employee of bitmain, I'm an external contractor.

Considering the hardware he has received to write guides for, I think that argument would have applied a long time ago for various manufacturers.  As it stands, the overview is still pretty a pretty good guideline (you can compare Dogie's top half/bottom half and Bicknellski's list), and any issues people take with it can be read in the actual thread (it's not self-moderated).

In the end you're going to have to choose... either put some trust in aggregate lists like theirs, or ask around and be sure you're going to get replies from people who feel they have been personally wronged in one way or another, usually writing in allcaps bold red text, but who either cannot or will not provide anything that would back up their claims, with the manufacturer left no choice but to turn things into a he-said/she-said situation, and the reader being none-the-wiser on overall reputation.
Well, that or the third option: start one yourself

AMT rates worse IMO than BFL (I was sadly a investor-customer of both), altho considering the fact that they have issued death threats along with plans on execution for Gleb Gamow/Phinneas Gage, and implied such to me in the form of a "chat" at their office, AND threatened to sue ANYONE who speaks out against them. Not to mention they doxxed anyone who speaks badly about them. So AMT SHOULD IMO rate low.

But all things considered, despite the debate on dogies guide. I still think its accurate. Bitmain may have issues, but they at least own them and make things right as quick as they can. Read the latest posts by them just to see that much. You will not see any such from anyone else except maybe spondoolies. They are another good vendor, but ship a little too far out for my preferences. There are a few good vendors here, but you gotta really do your own homework.

There is a conflict of interest with dogie's guide, as he is now an employee of Bitmain, so it has lost a lot of credibility I'm afraid.

Knc = 47 of 100

AMT = 35 of 100 on dogie's thread

There are already two lists that aggegrate some data, and plenty of posts celebrating one or denouncing another:
[Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide
[GUIDE] Bicknellski's Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide

For those following the mining hardware development and the fall from grace of KnC, etc, can we get a picture of where honesty remains, if indeed there remains any? Post your impression of "most to least honest mining hardware company".

Butterfly Labs is probably gonna be at the bottom, but I'm curious as to where KnC and AMT would rank.