Topic: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016] (Read 131561 times)

Unsure why this 66 page thread moved in its entirety to investigations? (pmed GM)

Woah. There's going to be a trial? This is about the unpaid referrals, right?

We filed at the Kiryat Gat Miagistrates Court on the 11th Jan, served to their lawyers (who rejected it) shortly after, and again by registered mail on 18th Jan. They've yet to file a response. The case is open to the public which means anyone can request documents from it...

The events happened and were documented as was the evidence, your personal feelings aren't relevant. The beauty of a public trial is that discovery is public knowledge, nothing to hide behind any more.

I'll give my version of the events happened.

I can just add that I'm very sad and worried about dogie.

Continue avoidance and BS-ing. Lier.

Certainly not. Still, it's a lie and I can't let it go without setting the record straight.

The amount of BS and lies one person dog can write poop.

What you don't say is that you changed your own criteria especially for us.

At least you admit you cooked the criteria in December. "In December I added more descriptive text" ...

Show me a proof that you've posted an explanation about your "pre-order" criteria relating to next gen "business model" BS before December. Dogie, you're simply a lier.

That's okay, you can keep lying about not changing your ranking criteria specifically for us.

No matter how many times you'll ask, I won't release you from your NDA, which you gladly signed.
You insist on keep lying about changing your criteria specifically for us, I keep insisting on the NDA.

Dogie, the amount of BS you're capable of producing is simply amazing. ... I see you now as a negative force in this industry.

Am I the only one who smells desperation when the biggest mining HW manufacturers goes apeshit on a dog meme?

[02/01/2015 23:59:59] *** Show messages from: 03 January 2015 - 27 January 2015 ***
[27/01/2015 12:10:34] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: hi
[27/01/2015 12:16:10] dogie: whats up
[27/01/2015 12:16:21] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: all good.
[27/01/2015 12:16:29] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: Some development in the funding front
[27/01/2015 12:16:36] dogie: do tell
[27/01/2015 12:16:47] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: It will help me if you'll the trustworthiness guide
[27/01/2015 12:16:57] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: I'm using it in my investors deck
[27/01/2015 12:18:02] dogie: if I what the trustworthiness guide?
[27/01/2015 12:18:25] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: update it
[27/01/2015 12:18:36] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: 100 or near 100 score will help
[27/01/2015 12:20:16] dogie: you're as close as it gets, there is only one number off and you can use it as a selling point
[27/01/2015 12:20:53] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: I need to be above BitFury
[27/01/2015 12:20:57] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: and I believe I deserve it.
[27/01/2015 12:21:01] dogie: "we'd love to sell in hand hardware every time, and be the highest rated company in the marketplace"....
[27/01/2015 12:21:09] dogie: "but for that we need this round"
[27/01/2015 12:21:57] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: something like
[27/01/2015 12:22:02] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: not exactly
[27/01/2015 12:22:13] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: We're moving to lower burning rate mode
[27/01/2015 12:22:26] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: proving the design first and then raising to build
[27/01/2015 12:22:41] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: I do want to show that we're the best brand, IMHO, in this market
[27/01/2015 12:22:47] Adam - dogie: Its not going to be decided until you announce next gen, either in stock or not
[27/01/2015 12:22:50] Adam - dogie: brb 30
[27/01/2015 12:23:47] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: well, I find it unfair
[27/01/2015 12:24:02] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: and out the guidelines set by you
[27/01/2015 12:24:19] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: I believe we deserve clear 100 score by your rules
[27/01/2015 13:02:09] dogie: you've been treated identically to BFL who are also in the state of transition, nothing is different for you
[27/01/2015 13:03:22] dogie: and to be honest if there was an update now is you're ethics - other infraction for what happened with the commission.
[27/01/2015 13:05:04] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: Our ethics regarding the commission are spotless. You're not treated in any other way.
[27/01/2015 13:05:50] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: We're not in state of transition. We're in funding struggle from day one. Nothing changed.
[27/01/2015 13:06:04] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: And I don't care for the comparison with BFL.
[27/01/2015 13:10:24] dogie: ... from preorder model to in hand exclusively model
[27/01/2015 13:10:58] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: all our stock is in hand and I'm openly declaring that we won't do pre-order on our next gen.
[27/01/2015 13:11:02] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: What else do you want ?
[27/01/2015 13:11:18] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: We'll either get funded, survive and do 3rd gen or not
[27/01/2015 13:11:32] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: it doesn't change the fact that we're not pre-order company any more
[27/01/2015 13:11:37] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: not even mix
[27/01/2015 13:12:00] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: I've stated it endless times. 3rd gen is too risky to take pre-orders
[27/01/2015 13:13:10] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: It's the easy route which I avoid. I believe that with our market reputation, selling 0.2 J/GH miners at 0.15 $/GH delivery in 4 months would have been VERY easy. But I'm not doing it. I'm rewarded by you for a "Mix"
[27/01/2015 13:14:09] dogie: at the same time you're asking me to reward you for something you've not done yet, like giving you a world record in 100m because you've told me you're going to run it in 8 seconds, before you run it
[27/01/2015 13:14:22] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: come'on
[27/01/2015 13:14:30] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: Are we taking pre-orders
[27/01/2015 13:14:35] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: Are we intend to take pre-orders
[27/01/2015 13:14:52] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: Let's say we're closing Spondoolies and just selling 2nd gen gear.
[27/01/2015 13:15:00] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: Are we MIX or not
[27/01/2015 13:15:11] dogie: still mix
[27/01/2015 13:16:39] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: I don't have anything more to say. Your guide is incorrect and so are your criteria.
[27/01/2015 13:17:02] dogie: the rating is based on the criteria, they cant both be wrong
[27/01/2015 13:17:35] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: We're not doing " 8/20   = Mixed - sells some in hand hardware and some preorders, or utilises split payments"
[27/01/2015 13:17:45] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: We're   20/20 = No - does not use preorders
[27/01/2015 13:18:00] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: You've changed the criteria after the fact, specifically to give us mix
[27/01/2015 13:18:04] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: I find it unethical.
[27/01/2015 13:20:39] dogie: its meaning has never changed, I clarified the ratings so there was no doubt in the last round
[27/01/2015 13:21:01] Guy - Spondoolies - CEO - +3: I said what I had to say. Unethical.
[27/01/2015 13:33:36]  dogie: how can it be unethical, there is no reason for me to lie or falsify it either way

Wonder how I'd rank on here.

They're not getting credit, its attributing a miner name to a company so its recognised.

At this point I might as well leave it as it is as there are so many companies to cull. There'd only be 6-8 left, Bitmain, Bitfury, Spondoolies, Canaan Creative, KNC, Technobit (sort of), HashCoins (sort of), XBTech (sort of). Might just be better to leave it as an archive.

This guide hasn't been updated for a while if I presume correctly it might be a good time to remove some of the dormant companies off the list.
At the least Asicminer is a dead asset.

I'll consider it. If I do update this then a number of companies will come off or go to some other list as they've been dormant too long / closed. After Yiazo (which is one of those), the next smallest company does a few $M turnover.

Which is why the FF rating isn't used any more. If you have a farm of any meaningful size, you get an F rating.