Mobile mining is literally the future. 
Topic: Mining hardware in a car ? - page 2. (Read 2748 times)
Brilliant idea m8, I wonder how nobody had thought about this before. Mobile mining is literally the future.
Mobile mining is literally the future. 
Since the main factor deciding whether a miner can be operated economically is the energy cost, you need to look at that:
How expensive is one kWh of electrical energy generated in a car compared to the same amount of energy if you bought it from your power company?
I'm not going to calculate it exactly, it's sufficient to realize that if electrical energy from a motor-driven generator were cheaper than utility-generated power, everybody would be using motor generators. Apparently people don't do that, which tells me that it's not cost-effective.
q.e.d.
Onkel Paul
How expensive is one kWh of electrical energy generated in a car compared to the same amount of energy if you bought it from your power company?
I'm not going to calculate it exactly, it's sufficient to realize that if electrical energy from a motor-driven generator were cheaper than utility-generated power, everybody would be using motor generators. Apparently people don't do that, which tells me that it's not cost-effective.
q.e.d.
Onkel Paul
Unless you're going to mod the pulleys and accessories you're not going to get much juice to run a miner - especially something that can handle the vibration abuse. It may be fun for tweaking but not a fruitful endeavor.
A car does not simply generate electricity by moving, that energy comes out of your gasoline.
Gas turns the engine and the engine turns a belt that turns the alternator. The extra energy your alternator will have to take from the engine to power the miner directly burns more gasoline a a result.
The alternator is controlled by the voltage regulator, it pretty much tells the alternator how hard to work depending on the power needs at the time. In normal operation the car doesn't require that much electrical energy to operate so the alternator doesn't work as hard as it can, putting only the minimum draw on the engines power. Increasing the draw by adding accesories, such as a miner, increases the load on the alternator and the strain on your engine.
I'm pretty sure that your car is not going to be able to efficiently enough convert gasoline into electricity $/KwH to compete with an electric company so it will just cost you more. Instead of paying for your miner's energy on your electric bill you will be paying more for the same thing at the pump when you fuel your car.
Gas turns the engine and the engine turns a belt that turns the alternator. The extra energy your alternator will have to take from the engine to power the miner directly burns more gasoline a a result.
The alternator is controlled by the voltage regulator, it pretty much tells the alternator how hard to work depending on the power needs at the time. In normal operation the car doesn't require that much electrical energy to operate so the alternator doesn't work as hard as it can, putting only the minimum draw on the engines power. Increasing the draw by adding accesories, such as a miner, increases the load on the alternator and the strain on your engine.
I'm pretty sure that your car is not going to be able to efficiently enough convert gasoline into electricity $/KwH to compete with an electric company so it will just cost you more. Instead of paying for your miner's energy on your electric bill you will be paying more for the same thing at the pump when you fuel your car.
I think this sumarises it. car engines are far less efficient compared to power plants in terms of conversion of fossil fuels to electricity, you'll probably get cheaper electricity directly from the grid. the only aspect where I see this making sense is from waste energy, heat from the engine for example or maybe vibration? or heating/kinetic energy from brakes. Recovery systems in hybrid cars use kinetic energy from stopping to recharge batteries. there are thermocouples that generate potential difference from heat, are u referring to these instead?
he does not need an inverter he could use a voltage regulator
https://www.trcelectronics.com/ecomm/pdf/sd50.pdf
50 watts at 12 volts 120mv ripple
https://www.trcelectronics.com/ecomm/pdf/sd50.pdf
50 watts at 12 volts 120mv ripple
why an inverter? Almost every miner known to God runs on 12 volts. Just bus that straight to the battery (use a 12 volt 30amps contactor tied to key_12 volts if you want it off when car is off) and go to town.
Car voltage varies a fair bit - and tends to be closer to 14v DC not 12VDC when the battery is charging.
Some miners might be able to handle that, some might not.
There ARE ATX-type power supplies built for a 12VDC input, dunno if any are Gold or better efficiency.
A car does not simply generate electricity by moving, that energy comes out of your gasoline.
Gas turns the engine and the engine turns a belt that turns the alternator. The extra energy your alternator will have to take from the engine to power the miner directly burns more gasoline a a result.
The alternator is controlled by the voltage regulator, it pretty much tells the alternator how hard to work depending on the power needs at the time. In normal operation the car doesn't require that much electrical energy to operate so the alternator doesn't work as hard as it can, putting only the minimum draw on the engines power. Increasing the draw by adding accesories, such as a miner, increases the load on the alternator and the strain on your engine.
I'm pretty sure that your car is not going to be able to efficiently enough convert gasoline into electricity $/KwH to compete with an electric company so it will just cost you more. Instead of paying for your miner's energy on your electric bill you will be paying more for the same thing at the pump when you fuel your car.
Gas turns the engine and the engine turns a belt that turns the alternator. The extra energy your alternator will have to take from the engine to power the miner directly burns more gasoline a a result.
The alternator is controlled by the voltage regulator, it pretty much tells the alternator how hard to work depending on the power needs at the time. In normal operation the car doesn't require that much electrical energy to operate so the alternator doesn't work as hard as it can, putting only the minimum draw on the engines power. Increasing the draw by adding accesories, such as a miner, increases the load on the alternator and the strain on your engine.
I'm pretty sure that your car is not going to be able to efficiently enough convert gasoline into electricity $/KwH to compete with an electric company so it will just cost you more. Instead of paying for your miner's energy on your electric bill you will be paying more for the same thing at the pump when you fuel your car.
Small scale in a taxi cab could work.
Twenty watts or less for all the gear. Once you go to big scale 300 watts even 200 watts not much chance since the power will cause far too much load on the alternator.
Since a taxi idles and sits at lights a lot a small setup may not really hurt the gas mileage.
A car does not simply generate electricity by moving, that energy comes out of your gasoline.
Gas turns the engine and the engine turns a belt that turns the alternator. The extra energy your alternator will have to take from the engine to power the miner directly burns more gasoline a a result.
The alternator is controlled by the voltage regulator, it pretty much tells the alternator how hard to work depending on the power needs at the time. In normal operation the car doesn't require that much electrical energy to operate so the alternator doesn't work as hard as it can, putting only the minimum draw on the engines power. Increasing the draw by adding accesories, such as a miner, increases the load on the alternator and the strain on your engine.
I'm pretty sure that your car is not going to be able to efficiently enough convert gasoline into electricity $/KwH to compete with an electric company so it will just cost you more. Instead of paying for your miner's energy on your electric bill you will be paying more for the same thing at the pump when you fuel your car.
Gas turns the engine and the engine turns a belt that turns the alternator. The extra energy your alternator will have to take from the engine to power the miner directly burns more gasoline a a result.
The alternator is controlled by the voltage regulator, it pretty much tells the alternator how hard to work depending on the power needs at the time. In normal operation the car doesn't require that much electrical energy to operate so the alternator doesn't work as hard as it can, putting only the minimum draw on the engines power. Increasing the draw by adding accesories, such as a miner, increases the load on the alternator and the strain on your engine.
I'm pretty sure that your car is not going to be able to efficiently enough convert gasoline into electricity $/KwH to compete with an electric company so it will just cost you more. Instead of paying for your miner's energy on your electric bill you will be paying more for the same thing at the pump when you fuel your car.
Its not a bad idea but not really worth it. You can buy a 1300Watt power inverter and use cellular data but those alone will cost you more then you will ever make.
Especially considering people drive for only 1 hour a day.
Especially considering people drive for only 1 hour a day.
Hello everybody.
I was imagining a car or a bus, with an invertor from 12V to 220V, inside the back of the car, with a miner, with a wireless router/bridge with a cell phone next to it sharing it's internet connection to the miner.
The car should not be an %100 electrical car. A car burning a fuel is OK.
The longer the kms or miles the vehicle takes the longer the miner works.
Solo, PPS or PPLNS.
I think SOLO or PPS is OK but not PPLNS.
What do you guys think, if it worths or not building a project like this ?
You pay no electricity, right ?
I was imagining a car or a bus, with an invertor from 12V to 220V, inside the back of the car, with a miner, with a wireless router/bridge with a cell phone next to it sharing it's internet connection to the miner.
The car should not be an %100 electrical car. A car burning a fuel is OK.
The longer the kms or miles the vehicle takes the longer the miner works.
Solo, PPS or PPLNS.
I think SOLO or PPS is OK but not PPLNS.
What do you guys think, if it worths or not building a project like this ?
You pay no electricity, right ?
So you are saying that. The car's kinetic energy turn to electricity and mine in the back. But in your country is mobile network works almost anywhere?
Yes, there are 3 huge mobile networks, all cover more than %96 of the country. Turkcell, Vodafone and Avea. Especially in big cities , it's no problem, I'm planning to put miners on TAXI cars.
EDIT : Well it's a dream only. I'm an IT guy, I cannot handle people...
I think you need extra cooler for this.
Hıımmm. For Winter is OK. But for summer an additional piping/ventilation is required. If the car is moving a pipe can feed the miner with the blowing air.
This needs a whole new design and depends the brand model of the car. Somebody will do it in the new future.
I may do it as an amateur way.
But the problem is I do not have a car.
It was just an idea. This thread may start somebody with sources (knowledge, iq and abilities) to start the task.
Hello everybody.
I was imagining a car or a bus, with an invertor from 12V to 220V, inside the back of the car, with a miner, with a wireless router/bridge with a cell phone next to it sharing it's internet connection to the miner.
The car should not be an %100 electrical car. A car burning a fuel is OK.
The longer the kms or miles the vehicle takes the longer the miner works.
Solo, PPS or PPLNS.
I think SOLO or PPS is OK but not PPLNS.
What do you guys think, if it worths or not building a project like this ?
You pay no electricity, right ?
I was imagining a car or a bus, with an invertor from 12V to 220V, inside the back of the car, with a miner, with a wireless router/bridge with a cell phone next to it sharing it's internet connection to the miner.
The car should not be an %100 electrical car. A car burning a fuel is OK.
The longer the kms or miles the vehicle takes the longer the miner works.
Solo, PPS or PPLNS.
I think SOLO or PPS is OK but not PPLNS.
What do you guys think, if it worths or not building a project like this ?
You pay no electricity, right ?
So you are saying that. The car's kinetic energy turn to electricity and mine in the back. But in your country is mobile network works almost anywhere?
Yes, there are 3 huge mobile networks, all cover more than %96 of the country. Turkcell, Vodafone and Avea. Especially in big cities , it's no problem, I'm planning to put miners on TAXI cars.
EDIT : Well it's a dream only. I'm an IT guy, I cannot handle people...
I think you need extra cooler for this.
Hello everybody.
I was imagining a car or a bus, with an invertor from 12V to 220V, inside the back of the car, with a miner, with a wireless router/bridge with a cell phone next to it sharing it's internet connection to the miner.
The car should not be an %100 electrical car. A car burning a fuel is OK.
The longer the kms or miles the vehicle takes the longer the miner works.
Solo, PPS or PPLNS.
I think SOLO or PPS is OK but not PPLNS.
What do you guys think, if it worths or not building a project like this ?
You pay no electricity, right ?
I was imagining a car or a bus, with an invertor from 12V to 220V, inside the back of the car, with a miner, with a wireless router/bridge with a cell phone next to it sharing it's internet connection to the miner.
The car should not be an %100 electrical car. A car burning a fuel is OK.
The longer the kms or miles the vehicle takes the longer the miner works.
Solo, PPS or PPLNS.
I think SOLO or PPS is OK but not PPLNS.
What do you guys think, if it worths or not building a project like this ?
You pay no electricity, right ?
So you are saying that. The car's kinetic energy turn to electricity and mine in the back. But in your country is mobile network works almost anywhere?
Yes, there are 3 huge mobile networks, all cover more than %96 of the country. Turkcell, Vodafone and Avea. Especially in big cities , it's no problem, I'm planning to put miners on TAXI cars.
EDIT : Well it's a dream only. I'm an IT guy, I cannot handle people...
However ,the inverter doesn't run by itself.You need to charge it with massive amounts of electricity which is equal to the charge costs while running the miner at home.Also,does your government allow you to carry such hardware in your car? You again need to keep the AC on all the time miner is running in the car which adds to extra expenses.
Hello everybody.
I was imagining a car or a bus, with an invertor from 12V to 220V, inside the back of the car, with a miner, with a wireless router/bridge with a cell phone next to it sharing it's internet connection to the miner.
The car should not be an %100 electrical car. A car burning a fuel is OK.
The longer the kms or miles the vehicle takes the longer the miner works.
Solo, PPS or PPLNS.
I think SOLO or PPS is OK but not PPLNS.
What do you guys think, if it worths or not building a project like this ?
You pay no electricity, right ?
I was imagining a car or a bus, with an invertor from 12V to 220V, inside the back of the car, with a miner, with a wireless router/bridge with a cell phone next to it sharing it's internet connection to the miner.
The car should not be an %100 electrical car. A car burning a fuel is OK.
The longer the kms or miles the vehicle takes the longer the miner works.
Solo, PPS or PPLNS.
I think SOLO or PPS is OK but not PPLNS.
What do you guys think, if it worths or not building a project like this ?
You pay no electricity, right ?
So you are saying that. The car's kinetic energy turn to electricity and mine in the back. But in your country is mobile network works almost anywhere?
Thank you for all the answers.
I'm an IT guy but not an electronics tech or engineer. So as I understand, an antminer S3 is also a load for the alternator. I know S3 uses 300 Watts something, but I have no idea about the amperage.
Anyway, as I understand from all your answers, I guess, an Antminer U3 like miner with a new 16nm chip or chips will be more than enough.
Hımmm, also it should not be usb connected one. Should support wireless.
Evreka...
May be ANTROUTERS do this with some new versions.
But I understand, inverter is not needed, and alternator should not be loaded.
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I'm an IT guy but not an electronics tech or engineer. So as I understand, an antminer S3 is also a load for the alternator. I know S3 uses 300 Watts something, but I have no idea about the amperage.
Anyway, as I understand from all your answers, I guess, an Antminer U3 like miner with a new 16nm chip or chips will be more than enough.
Hımmm, also it should not be usb connected one. Should support wireless.
Evreka...
May be ANTROUTERS do this with some new versions.
But I understand, inverter is not needed, and alternator should not be loaded.
...
the car create electricity from the movement. It can spent a part of it to mining.
Hello everybody.
I was imagining a car or a bus, with an invertor from 12V to 220V, inside the back of the car, with a miner, with a wireless router/bridge with a cell phone next to it sharing it's internet connection to the miner.
The car should not be an %100 electrical car. A car burning a fuel is OK.
The longer the kms or miles the vehicle takes the longer the miner works.
Solo, PPS or PPLNS.
I think SOLO or PPS is OK but not PPLNS.
What do you guys think, if it worths or not building a project like this ?
You pay no electricity, right ?
I was imagining a car or a bus, with an invertor from 12V to 220V, inside the back of the car, with a miner, with a wireless router/bridge with a cell phone next to it sharing it's internet connection to the miner.
The car should not be an %100 electrical car. A car burning a fuel is OK.
The longer the kms or miles the vehicle takes the longer the miner works.
Solo, PPS or PPLNS.
I think SOLO or PPS is OK but not PPLNS.
What do you guys think, if it worths or not building a project like this ?
You pay no electricity, right ?
You pay in gas usage for the electric usage of any miner you installed this way - which is VERY inefficient overall.
Probably a complete waste of money, unless you're doing it for bragging rights or some such.
great idea this in a future world. Imagine a car that create some satoshi's with the km it done and then it can pay the electricity charger or fuel supply with them.
Sounds pointless to me, you would only be running the miner a few hours a day all the while difficulty is ramping up.
It works on very small scale like a few usb sticks in a taxi cab.
well it would have to be well built...i mean all the vibration and the bumps, etc. Plus you would need an extra battery or something, I suppose it would keep the alternator on too much.
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