Topic: Mining hosting @ $0.043 per KwH, 100% green energy (Read 8634 times)
I believe that new hashplex startup in Washington state looks cheaper than this.
Did you manage to get a price quotation from them? I'd be interested in a full rack. 8-10 cases at 4U, 1.4-1.5 kWh each.
Cool that you are on location, let's work something out, if you are interested in sharing space !
woww!!! the future!! 
I thought I read in this forum that in usa some place offer power at 0.02 per KwH
this mob
http://bitcoinasichosting.com/pricing/
cann't remember his forum name
Slight update on this now.
https://www.datacell.com/news/special-offers-for-bitcoin-miners/
https://www.datacell.com/news/special-offers-for-bitcoin-miners/
I've made some progress here in Iceland with this idea, there's a very strong possibility of a mining DC going up in the next few months. Please PM me if you'll be interested in hosting equipment there and I'll respond when more info becomes available. Pricing information as well.
Nice, now im really jealous.. I am paying 4 times more for my energy...
This. Are you really a finnish female miner? Cool if so!
I'm bookmarking this for the future.
I'll be interested in sending a knc jupiter after the difficulty jumps to about 8000M, so maybe in about 3.5 months
I'll be interested in sending a knc jupiter after the difficulty jumps to about 8000M, so maybe in about 3.5 months
Heh, good catch on that brainfart 
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I stopped updating that list because so far Ive not received offers from DCs that are substantially better than list offerings, so there doesnt seem to be a point in organizing a "group buy". This by no means implies Im abandoning the idea, just that I will be skipping the first phase.
. I stopped updating that list because so far Ive not received offers from DCs that are substantially better than list offerings, so there doesnt seem to be a point in organizing a "group buy". This by no means implies Im abandoning the idea, just that I will be skipping the first phase.
List of rack units of potentially interested miners:
- 6x 4U CT anonymous via PM
- 2x 4U CT anonymous via PM
Total: 8U
- 6x 4U CT anonymous via PM
- 2x 4U CT anonymous via PM
Total: 8U
Actually its 8 x 4U = 32U leaving you 16U out of a 42U rack
You probably want some space in the rack between each miner, plus network switch. I'd say you can get away with one more 4U miner in the rack and then you wouldn't want to add any more.
So you almost have on Rack full, time to get started
I wish you luck in your business, I've been looking at similar
Puppet,
I hope you don't think I am criticizing what your trying to do. I just wanted to show you my perspective on things as I've been an Systems Engineer of sorts over the last 10 years and have dealt with many hosting facilities in the past.
For example, I worked for a company that made $10,000/minute in some of their applications and downtime between 6AM EST - 2AM EST cost them serious money. When your talking about a Large Scale Bitcoin mining operation, you need to account for when things go bad, not when they work well.
I hope you don't think I am criticizing what your trying to do. I just wanted to show you my perspective on things as I've been an Systems Engineer of sorts over the last 10 years and have dealt with many hosting facilities in the past.
For example, I worked for a company that made $10,000/minute in some of their applications and downtime between 6AM EST - 2AM EST cost them serious money. When your talking about a Large Scale Bitcoin mining operation, you need to account for when things go bad, not when they work well.
Im planning ahead, and I dont think you see the big picture. RIght now, mining is ludicrously profitable if you look at running cost (electricity/hosting) vs revenue. So for sure people want to pay for UPS and fancy DCs, some will even rather sleep next to their miner because downtime is expensive.
But as difficulty continues to shoot up, and mining hardware prices will drop by one or two orders of magnitude, at some point mining will become only marginally profitable for those with the lowest running costs and essentially it will turn in to a game of converting electricity in to bitcoins with cheap equipment (that can be written off over several years instead of only weeks/months today). Suddenly downtime no longer matters so much, if at all. All that will really matter is running costs. and things like:
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The reason the price I got was around $.45/kwh for about 8KW/rack is due to the fact they had superior services/multiple generators / UPS / etc AND Insurance.
Will no longer matter.
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Some of the bitcoin mining DC that I've spoken to in the last few months that are starting up, are not even Datacenters. There just warehouses with racks and power, let alone UPS or cooling because "its to expensive" .
Exactly right. Although Im not convinced in the long run a warehouse is actually cheaper than a bare bones modular DC, many factors play a role there. There is only so much you can put in a warehouse without some form of cooling and no way you will get anywhere close to the power density of some of those modular DC's (Ive seen over 1MW in a standard shipping container).
Anyway, to reiterate, right now, its worth paying extra for SLA's, so it makes complete sense to host in a traditional datacenter, but you may as well do it in greenland where its cheaper (and greener). I have no ambition to compete with those traditional datacenters, instead I will try to organize a group buy if that makes sense, or simply advocate existing solutions there.
But at some point next year, miners will want to move away from this "expensive" hosting to cheaper solutions that dont have UPS and diesel generators and do not promise 5 sigma uptime but that could well double or triple their operating margins by putting their gear in warehouses or containers in a location with cheap electricity. Thats what I will be aiming at.
Puppet,
I hope you don't think I am criticizing what your trying to do. I just wanted to show you my perspective on things as I've been an Systems Engineer of sorts over the last 10 years and have dealt with many hosting facilities in the past.
For example, I worked for a company that made $10,000/minute in some of their applications and downtime between 6AM EST - 2AM EST cost them serious money. When your talking about a Large Scale Bitcoin mining operation, you need to account for when things go bad, not when they work well.
The reason the price I got was around $.45/kwh for about 8KW/rack is due to the fact they had superior services/multiple generators / UPS / etc AND Insurance.
Some of the bitcoin mining DC that I've spoken to in the last few months that are starting up, are not even Datacenters. There just warehouses with racks and power, let alone UPS or cooling because "its to expensive" . Those things need to be considered when you have over $100K worth of Bitcoin hardware, and what happens when the warehouse Burns Down/Floods/Extended power outage.
Thats why that company I mentioned above paid for one of the most expensive DC solutions .. Piece of mind that our outages would be limited throughout the year, protecting revenue generating services, just like Bitcoin Mining. If your hardware is down, you make no money !
Lastly, I dont have any miners myself, but from seeing the forum, I see various devices lock up and freeze randomly. You just need to make sure if thats the case, you can automate/semi-automate that procedure to reduce that downtime, and heal itself in 90% of those scenarios (overheating or software glitch)
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Another thing I forgot to mention, is that DC in a Cube picture you posted above. I've always loved the idea of those, and think Iceland could work well with that. Ideally you could find an office Park or building that has extra land, and work out a lease for that part of land, and just get power / water to the Cube itself.
If you really wanted to take this to the next step, I'd prefer not using Colo at all. I know in the states many business's have Virtualized, making their 1000sqft+ server rooms almost 90% unutilized. You could easily approach them and ask to rent out part of their DC. If they already paid for the Generators/UPS then you could just bring in racks / bread racks and host the units there. Only thing is you would be responsible to be the "remote hands" and could be woken up at all times of the night
The benefit of this is you may get a better deal as that business isn't using that space currently, even though they spent a lot of money setting it up. Secondly, the cheaper you can get that space, the better for the bitcoin mining field. Again this would most likely only work if you wanted to make a new service out of this as a full-time job, or have someone managing the physical location.
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Wish you the best
kosta
I hope you don't think I am criticizing what your trying to do. I just wanted to show you my perspective on things as I've been an Systems Engineer of sorts over the last 10 years and have dealt with many hosting facilities in the past.
For example, I worked for a company that made $10,000/minute in some of their applications and downtime between 6AM EST - 2AM EST cost them serious money. When your talking about a Large Scale Bitcoin mining operation, you need to account for when things go bad, not when they work well.
The reason the price I got was around $.45/kwh for about 8KW/rack is due to the fact they had superior services/multiple generators / UPS / etc AND Insurance.
Some of the bitcoin mining DC that I've spoken to in the last few months that are starting up, are not even Datacenters. There just warehouses with racks and power, let alone UPS or cooling because "its to expensive" . Those things need to be considered when you have over $100K worth of Bitcoin hardware, and what happens when the warehouse Burns Down/Floods/Extended power outage.
Thats why that company I mentioned above paid for one of the most expensive DC solutions .. Piece of mind that our outages would be limited throughout the year, protecting revenue generating services, just like Bitcoin Mining. If your hardware is down, you make no money !
Lastly, I dont have any miners myself, but from seeing the forum, I see various devices lock up and freeze randomly. You just need to make sure if thats the case, you can automate/semi-automate that procedure to reduce that downtime, and heal itself in 90% of those scenarios (overheating or software glitch)
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Another thing I forgot to mention, is that DC in a Cube picture you posted above. I've always loved the idea of those, and think Iceland could work well with that. Ideally you could find an office Park or building that has extra land, and work out a lease for that part of land, and just get power / water to the Cube itself.
If you really wanted to take this to the next step, I'd prefer not using Colo at all. I know in the states many business's have Virtualized, making their 1000sqft+ server rooms almost 90% unutilized. You could easily approach them and ask to rent out part of their DC. If they already paid for the Generators/UPS then you could just bring in racks / bread racks and host the units there. Only thing is you would be responsible to be the "remote hands" and could be woken up at all times of the night
The benefit of this is you may get a better deal as that business isn't using that space currently, even though they spent a lot of money setting it up. Secondly, the cheaper you can get that space, the better for the bitcoin mining field. Again this would most likely only work if you wanted to make a new service out of this as a full-time job, or have someone managing the physical location.
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Wish you the best
kosta
1 Hour of remote hands per device or rack? If its per rack, then Id suggest you look into their normal hourly prices, as well as ensure you have Remote Managed PDU so you can power cycle your devices.
Like I said, per rack. Ive not gone in to detail yet, many things can be "configured", SLA levels, logistics, down to storage of spare parts, etc, and it will depend on the DC, but right now Im not yet offering a turn key solution, Im gauging interest while trying to establish a bitcoin friendly solution. Im just giving you an idea of prices; what I got and wrote so far is not very different from standard offerings in Iceland, but its already pretty competitive if you dont mind hosting your machines abroad. If I can gather enough interest, Im sure I can negotiate better conditions, but Id like to hear what people want.
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I expect with these rigs will need random reboots and other issues resolved, so make sure that your build that into the cost.
As long as thats the case, and you would need more than an occassional remote reboot, Im not sure I would want to host externally. Particularly not now when electricity and hosting cost isnt very crucial yet. Fast forward a few months and that will change. Fast forward 6-8 months and that will change dramatically.
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In other words, one you add up all costs and device by KWH you can figure out if its cheaper to host in your house, or Colo . A colo facility near me, I did the math and it came out to $.45/kwh (I believe for a rack of 5000-8000 watts) . But that included power,rack,network, pdu, etc.
So more than twice the price I got upon first request and about 3-4x more than what I hope to achieve ultimately. But like I said, today that price is probably good enough to not bother with the hassle. Once mining operating margins shrink to the point where that $.45 is pretty much your entire profit margin, it will look rather different.
1 Hour of remote hands per device or rack? If its per rack, then Id suggest you look into their normal hourly prices, as well as ensure you have Remote Managed PDU so you can power cycle your devices.
I expect with these rigs will need random reboots and other issues resolved, so make sure that your build that into the cost. DCs "seem" cheap until you factor all of the costs in.
In other words, one you add up all costs and device by KWH you can figure out if its cheaper to host in your house, or Colo . A colo facility near me, I did the math and it came out to $.45/kwh (I believe for a rack of 5000-8000 watts) . But that included power,rack,network, pdu, etc.
Kosta
I expect with these rigs will need random reboots and other issues resolved, so make sure that your build that into the cost. DCs "seem" cheap until you factor all of the costs in.
In other words, one you add up all costs and device by KWH you can figure out if its cheaper to host in your house, or Colo . A colo facility near me, I did the math and it came out to $.45/kwh (I believe for a rack of 5000-8000 watts) . But that included power,rack,network, pdu, etc.
Kosta
Prices I got included 1 hour per month per rack remote hands. I dont think there is any setup fee, but Ill check that. PDU's included.
Does that cost account for Remote Hands or maintenance? Don't forget just because your paying a DC $/month doesn't mean they will manage / monitor your Racks 24/7. When your dealing with mining rigs, you want to make sure they are monitored and maintained 24/7 due to the loss of revenue when they go down.
and what about setup cost?
To get your machines from a box into a rack, hooked up with an uplink means usually a hefty fee.
Does the setup include PDU's or do you have to provide them yourself?
Does that cost account for Remote Hands or maintenance? Don't forget just because your paying a DC $/month doesn't mean they will manage / monitor your Racks 24/7. When your dealing with mining rigs, you want to make sure they are monitored and maintained 24/7 due to the loss of revenue when they go down.
Looks cool does this compare to the thing butterfly labs is doing
Hope there the same stats money wise.
looks good!
Hope there the same stats money wise.
looks good!
heh nice try perezoso you and every other friend I have back home has tried that one.
Customs here are pretty tough actually. If you get a package sent in the mail they open it usually to assess VAT and import tariff. That combined with a weak krona keep imports from outside pretty low, many hand smuggle stuff in when they go on holiday, some even refer to it as the national pastime. If this was a serious plan under consideration, your best bet would be a cargo container filled with mining equipment straight from china, direct dropped into one of the DC's. I know for a fact Verne global and Thor both support data centre in a box facilities as I've been in both and seen them. Again only large installations are going to net you the cheap electricity prices that you read about.
Customs here are pretty tough actually. If you get a package sent in the mail they open it usually to assess VAT and import tariff. That combined with a weak krona keep imports from outside pretty low, many hand smuggle stuff in when they go on holiday, some even refer to it as the national pastime. If this was a serious plan under consideration, your best bet would be a cargo container filled with mining equipment straight from china, direct dropped into one of the DC's. I know for a fact Verne global and Thor both support data centre in a box facilities as I've been in both and seen them. Again only large installations are going to net you the cheap electricity prices that you read about.
Nice, now im really jealous.. I am paying 4 times more for my energy...
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