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Topic: Mining Namecoins is now 2x more profitable than Bitcoins - page 6. (Read 55320 times)

legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
You are right in my opinion, which is why there is further development for namecoin to be done. I suspect the majority of the development will not take more than 6 to 9 months to get up to speed. Bitcoin has given namecoin a handicap in that much of the ideas and market and people are in places to make bitcoin and namecoin explode soon enough.

Maybe it's just me and my limited imagination but at this point I feel it's very unlikely for namecoin to work out as intended beyond use for a small group of people, namely geeks.

The way I see it, we'll need to convince ISPs to do extra work for no benefits to them (i.e. to their profits) in order for this to work. But if this requires ISP cooperation to work, then namecoin's strength as a resilient distributed DNS vanishes as it is reliant on ISPs cooperation. So any ISP (or the government of that country) can simply block off lookups to a particular domain say wikileaks.bit and render the service useless to the majority of their users who probably never heard of DNS, much less know/bother to get around such blocks.

There is one possible way namecoin could work out (and for that matter bitcoin could get boosted by the same), is the porn industry. After all, people are willing to pay money, install dubious dialers and whatever not to get their porn fix, they will probably be willing to do something that doesn't cost anything to get access to more porn, and pay for content with bitcoins so anybody looking at their CC bills won't be able tell Cheesy

p.s. side note: dot-bit.org seems to be dead, not a good sign Cheesy

There is no extra work for ISPs and it has nothing to do with their co-operation ... do you even know how DNS works?

From what you have written, seems clear that you haven't a clue how namecoin works.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
You are right in my opinion, which is why there is further development for namecoin to be done. I suspect the majority of the development will not take more than 6 to 9 months to get up to speed. Bitcoin has given namecoin a handicap in that much of the ideas and market and people are in places to make bitcoin and namecoin explode soon enough.

Maybe it's just me and my limited imagination but at this point I feel it's very unlikely for namecoin to work out as intended beyond use for a small group of people, namely geeks.

The way I see it, we'll need to convince ISPs to do extra work for no benefits to them (i.e. to their profits) in order for this to work. But if this requires ISP cooperation to work, then namecoin's strength as a resilient distributed DNS vanishes as it is reliant on ISPs cooperation. So any ISP (or the government of that country) can simply block off lookups to a particular domain say wikileaks.bit and render the service useless to the majority of their users who probably never heard of DNS, much less know/bother to get around such blocks.

There is one possible way namecoin could work out (and for that matter bitcoin could get boosted by the same), is the porn industry. After all, people are willing to pay money, install dubious dialers and whatever not to get their porn fix, they will probably be willing to do something that doesn't cost anything to get access to more porn, and pay for content with bitcoins so anybody looking at their CC bills won't be able tell Cheesy

p.s. side note: dot-bit.org seems to be dead, not a good sign Cheesy

You have good points but keep in mind that namecoin is identicle to bitcoin in terms of its structure as a virtual currency. When people want an alternative, which usually happens at some point people will get into namecoins.

Competition is what makes a free market a free market and that is why the fiat currencies like the dollar have really no competition that isn't already fraudulent (counterfeit) and thus monopolizes the entire USA.

Namecoins as a secondary (maybe not as strong as bitcoin) virtual currency is very viable in my opinion.
hero member
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I don't know if anyone knows this or not but to make dealing with namecoins easier I found this nifty gui program that maybe more newbie friendly.
legendary
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Waves | 3PHMaGNeTJfqFfD4xuctgKdoxLX188QM8na
What would be the best tactic to buy 25,000 - 30,000 Namecoins without moving the price up to high?
Spread out over a longer time? Or place a big order at a fixed price? Many orders at different prices?
So you want to buy more than 3% of all the namecoin economy without moving the price?

Not to much, no.
You think I better be patient and spread over 2 or 3 weeks?
On Bitparking the volume is currently about 12k, I think that buying about 1k a day won't move much the price if you use the different namecoin exchanges (I believe there are 3 of them)
If so, yes, 3 weeks should be enough

Ok, thanks.
I want to hedge a little (mining 2.2Mh@BTCMine / .8 Mh@Poolmunity, buy BTC, buy NMC).

Stockmarket didn't bring me much last year... Can only get better...
legendary
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May Bitcoin be touched by his Noodly Appendage
What would be the best tactic to buy 25,000 - 30,000 Namecoins without moving the price up to high?
Spread out over a longer time? Or place a big order at a fixed price? Many orders at different prices?
So you want to buy more than 3% of all the namecoin economy without moving the price?

Not to much, no.
You think I better be patient and spread over 2 or 3 weeks?
On Bitparking the volume is currently about 12k, I think that buying about 1k a day won't move much the price if you use the different namecoin exchanges (I believe there are 3 of them)
If so, yes, 3 weeks should be enough
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1002
Waves | 3PHMaGNeTJfqFfD4xuctgKdoxLX188QM8na
What would be the best tactic to buy 25,000 - 30,000 Namecoins without moving the price up to high?
Spread out over a longer time? Or place a big order at a fixed price? Many orders at different prices?
So you want to buy more than 3% of all the namecoin economy without moving the price?

Not to much, no.
You think I better be patient and spread over 2 or 3 weeks?
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1280
May Bitcoin be touched by his Noodly Appendage
What would be the best tactic to buy 25,000 - 30,000 Namecoins without moving the price up to high?
Spread out over a longer time? Or place a big order at a fixed price? Many orders at different prices?
So you want to buy more than 3% of all the namecoin economy without moving the price?
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1002
Waves | 3PHMaGNeTJfqFfD4xuctgKdoxLX188QM8na
What would be the best tactic to buy 25,000 - 30,000 Namecoins without moving the price up to high?
Spread out over a longer time? Or place a big order at a fixed price? Many orders at different prices?
newbie
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You are right in my opinion, which is why there is further development for namecoin to be done. I suspect the majority of the development will not take more than 6 to 9 months to get up to speed. Bitcoin has given namecoin a handicap in that much of the ideas and market and people are in places to make bitcoin and namecoin explode soon enough.

Maybe it's just me and my limited imagination but at this point I feel it's very unlikely for namecoin to work out as intended beyond use for a small group of people, namely geeks.

The way I see it, we'll need to convince ISPs to do extra work for no benefits to them (i.e. to their profits) in order for this to work. But if this requires ISP cooperation to work, then namecoin's strength as a resilient distributed DNS vanishes as it is reliant on ISPs cooperation. So any ISP (or the government of that country) can simply block off lookups to a particular domain say wikileaks.bit and render the service useless to the majority of their users who probably never heard of DNS, much less know/bother to get around such blocks.

There is one possible way namecoin could work out (and for that matter bitcoin could get boosted by the same), is the porn industry. After all, people are willing to pay money, install dubious dialers and whatever not to get their porn fix, they will probably be willing to do something that doesn't cost anything to get access to more porn, and pay for content with bitcoins so anybody looking at their CC bills won't be able tell Cheesy

p.s. side note: dot-bit.org seems to be dead, not a good sign Cheesy
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
off the top of my head ...

http://dot-bit.bit/
http://example.bit/
http://opennic.bit/

there are others ... of course you will have to be smart enough to know how to enable your browser/system/network to get to them ... it is not idiot-proof, yet.


Which is precisely my point. For somebody like me, it's an easy thing to do (I use my own internal TLD for testing purposes). But until a .bit domain can be resolved out of the box by the average person, I don't see it being useful except as an alternative Bitcoin currency.

So regardless of the original intentions, namecoin will simply become a second supply of bitcoin, especially when merged mining take effect.


You are right in my opinion, which is why there is further development for namecoin to be done. I suspect the majority of the development will not take more than 6 to 9 months to get up to speed. Bitcoin has given namecoin a handicap in that much of the ideas and market and people are in places to make bitcoin and namecoin explode soon enough.
newbie
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off the top of my head ...

http://dot-bit.bit/
http://example.bit/
http://opennic.bit/

there are others ... of course you will have to be smart enough to know how to enable your browser/system/network to get to them ... it is not idiot-proof, yet.


Which is precisely my point. For somebody like me, it's an easy thing to do (I use my own internal TLD for testing purposes). But until a .bit domain can be resolved out of the box by the average person, I don't see it being useful except as an alternative Bitcoin currency.

So regardless of the original intentions, namecoin will simply become a second supply of bitcoin, especially when merged mining take effect.
sr. member
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Most are redirects.
Many are incorrectly configured.

And then there's the "i'll reserve this good .bit domain, if you want it, make me an offer" that I completely frown upon, as it represents the 'hoarding' and speculation that the whole NMC project is supposed to avoid.
bitcoiner hating on namecoin ... could there be anybody sadder?

Well, he's right. But that doesn't mean much as the project is 3 months old. Having already a successful .bit only site would be extremely surprising.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
You are looking at ONE pool and I am looking at the ENTIRE namecoin network. There are other pools you know...bitparking, pool munity etc.

There are not that many.
The birth and death of pools IS important in the start. I hope this is not how you treat your children.

Take a look at http://explorer.dot-bit.org/ and then come talk to me.

Take some time to go back to school, learn some manners, lose the attitude, "and then come talk to me".
If you can't take an opinion that diverges from yours in a polite manner, then it is me who turns my back on you, as i'm way above that sort of behaviour (this is me trying to be as cocky as you. Did i succeed? not sure, i'm not used to it).
Xoo.


LOL did you even look at the link I posted and respond intelligently to what I posted that proves your "theory"wrong of the average going down the toilet when at the very least the average is 6 blocks per hour?

Or did you not want to be embarrassed that you were wrong?

Also the number of pools is irrelevant which is why I gave you the link to block explorer.

If you dont like the way I talk to you, you can go to another thread you know?

LOL

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
sr. member
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You are looking at ONE pool and I am looking at the ENTIRE namecoin network. There are other pools you know...bitparking, pool munity etc.

There are not that many.
The birth and death of pools IS important in the start. I hope this is not how you treat your children.

Take a look at http://explorer.dot-bit.org/ and then come talk to me.

Take some time to go back to school, learn some manners, lose the attitude, "and then come talk to me".
If you can't take an opinion that diverges from yours in a polite manner, then it is me who turns my back on you, as i'm way above that sort of behaviour (this is me trying to be as cocky as you. Did i succeed? not sure, i'm not used to it).
Xoo.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper

Right but I can only go on the data I have and that is the time since inception and the number of blocks generated.

Make sense?

Oh, indeed it does make sense, you have to consider the raw data you have at any given point in time, albeit still very.. hm...  'volatile', due to still being not very far away from its inception.

Still on namebit:

Current Round Duration      35h 35m
Last Round Duration        00h 19m
Avg Time Per Round            03h 25m

As soon as this hog finishes, there goes the average down the drain.. Smiley

You are looking at ONE pool and I am looking at the ENTIRE namecoin network. There are other pools you know...bitparking, pool munity etc.

Take a look at http://explorer.dot-bit.org/ and then come talk to me.

Let me spell it out for you. We are currently at block 18255 on july 26th.

It has been about 98 days or so since the namecoin network starting.

98 days = 2352 hours


18255 / 2352 = 7.76 blocks per hour


Let's say this difficulty period doesnt end for another 40 days (138 days total):

138 days = 3312 hours

The last block of this difficulty is 18144 + 2016 = 20160

20160 / 3312 = 6.08 blocks per hour.


Then of course we rip through another difficulty of 2016 blocks which brings the average up.

My point is even if we assume any average above 6 blocks per hour from now until the end of the year that
implies a huge movement in the decrease (price) of purchasing a domain name and possibly the price to exchange
NMC.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper

Right but I can only go on the data I have and that is the time since inception and the number of blocks generated.

Make sense?

Oh, indeed it does make sense, you have to consider the raw data you have at any given point in time, albeit still very.. hm...  'volatile', due to still being not very far away from its inception.

Still on namebit:

Current Round Duration      35h 35m
Last Round Duration        00h 19m
Avg Time Per Round            03h 25m

As soon as this hog finishes, there goes the average down the drain.. Smiley

You are looking at ONE pool and I am looking at the ENTIRE namecoin network. There are other pools you know...bitparking, pool munity etc.

Take a look at http://explorer.dot-bit.org/ and then come talk to me.
sr. member
Activity: 435
Merit: 250

Right but I can only go on the data I have and that is the time since inception and the number of blocks generated.

Make sense?

Oh, indeed it does make sense, you have to consider the raw data you have at any given point in time, albeit still very.. hm...  'volatile', due to still being not very far away from its inception.

Still on namebit:

Current Round Duration      35h 35m
Last Round Duration        00h 19m
Avg Time Per Round            03h 25m

As soon as this hog finishes, there goes the average down the drain.. Smiley
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper

The rate at which we have been generating blocks since namecoins inception of April 18th, 2011 has been approximately 8 blocks per hour on average.

There are more variables to consider: for example, the last NMC block on namebit is going for 28 hours now, and has had a drop of about 85% of miners that hopped away.

Right but I can only go on the data I have and that is the time since inception and the number of blocks generated.

Make sense?
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
just how many .bit domains are actually in use? any of them successful?

Most are redirects.
Many are incorrectly configured.

And then there's the "i'll reserve this good .bit domain, if you want it, make me an offer" that I completely frown upon, as it represents the 'hoarding' and speculation that the whole NMC project is supposed to avoid.

Any examples of actually resolvable .bit domains?


off the top of my head ...

http://dot-bit.bit/
http://example.bit/
http://opennic.bit/

there are others ... of course you will have to be smart enough to know how to enable your browser/system/network to get to them ... it is not idiot-proof, yet.

http://dot-bit.bit/HowToBrowseBitDomains

edit: hehehe ... to break any autistics out of that particular infinite loop go here ...

http://dot-bit.org/HowToBrowseBitDomains
newbie
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just how many .bit domains are actually in use? any of them successful?

Most are redirects.
Many are incorrectly configured.

And then there's the "i'll reserve this good .bit domain, if you want it, make me an offer" that I completely frown upon, as it represents the 'hoarding' and speculation that the whole NMC project is supposed to avoid.

Any examples of actually resolvable .bit domains?
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