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newbie
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February 16, 2018, 04:33:49 PM
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I saw that miner for Turtlecoin reference somewhere else.

You do realize that your 1.5-2 khash on Monero represents the output of a SINGLE Vega GPU?

On the other hand, I've got more than a few "older" machines or parts from older machines working on various projects, far be it from me to condemn anyone for "recycling existing hardware".


BTW - what is a "RX 590?" Never heard of such a thing before now.


Yeah I figured why not get some use out of my older hardware and mine some coins slowly rather than spend a huge amount of money on GPU's and possibly never even break even. And my bad about the 590, it was a typo from an article I was basing some of the info off of. The Xbox One X should be the same as a 580.
legendary
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I saw that miner for Turtlecoin reference somewhere else.

You do realize that your 1.5-2 khash on Monero represents the output of a SINGLE Vega GPU?

On the other hand, I've got more than a few "older" machines or parts from older machines working on various projects, far be it from me to condemn anyone for "recycling existing hardware".


BTW - what is a "RX 590?" Never heard of such a thing before now.
newbie
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 Because, as I ALREADY EXPLAINED, the iGPU has pathetic performance even compared to a VERY LOW END discrete card per the TESTING I did on both my Intel AND my old AMD iGPUs.

 Iris Pro is NOT going to be anywhere close to the performance of the Nvidia GTX 750 ti, much less the MID RANGE 9xx cards.
 The top end Iris Pro iGPU *MIGHT* manage to match my AMD A10-5700 as it has about double the cores of the Intel I did testing on, but that's STILL a sad joke compared to any discrete GPU less than 5 years old.


Maybe your tests were not using the full iGPU?


Running JUST the miner software + Afterburner to monitor GPU status during the testing, yes the FULL iGPU capabilities were in use.
Such as they are.


The Block Erupter was a single-chip USB stick from an early generation, and has proven to be INFERIOR on performnace (though not on efficiency) to many GPUs.
It's also a money loser and has been for YEARS on anything SHA256.


I AM going to be curious to see what the POLARIS based (not Vega) iGPU designs out of AMD have for performance - and how it compares to discrete GPUs with the same core count and similar core clock.
I'm betting they STILL don't match up well, due to memory limitations, but should be a major improvement over the A10/A12 generation.

The GT 740 doesn't even count as an ENTRY LEVEL card any more, much less "low-mid range".
GTX 1030 blows it completely out of the water and the 1030 is BARELY classifiable as "entry level" by current standards since it does get matched on gaming performance by some iGPUs.








Yeah I know the Block Erupter is old. I jumped on the ASIC train pretty early back then. But for my personal mining equipment, I basically have multiple general purpose PC's with low to mid range GPU's plus a few VM's on Azure. All that combined, I can pull off about 1.5-2 KH/s. Every bit of hash power I can add helps which is why 100 H/s from an Iris Pro 580 would help quite a lot considering I'm not mining with high end GPU's. The best GPU I have is a GTX 660 Ti. But since I basically don't have to worry about electricity costs right now and I don't have to buy new mining hardware, just using the existing hardware I have is a pretty good deal.

Also, you might find out how good Polaris iGPU's are soon. The developers behind TurtleCoin are working on a GPU cryptonote miner for the Xbox One X which uses a Polaris iGPU that's roughly equivalent to an RX 580 though some benchmarks even put it closer to an RX 590 in terms of performance. I think they're expecting about 800-900 H/s for the GPU performance. If it turns out to be accurate, I'd bet a lot of miners will start buying Xbox One's because of how cheap they are in terms of performance compared to the current price of a lot of high end GPU's.
legendary
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 Because, as I ALREADY EXPLAINED, the iGPU has pathetic performance even compared to a VERY LOW END discrete card per the TESTING I did on both my Intel AND my old AMD iGPUs.

 Iris Pro is NOT going to be anywhere close to the performance of the Nvidia GTX 750 ti, much less the MID RANGE 9xx cards.
 The top end Iris Pro iGPU *MIGHT* manage to match my AMD A10-5700 as it has about double the cores of the Intel I did testing on, but that's STILL a sad joke compared to any discrete GPU less than 5 years old.


Maybe your tests were not using the full iGPU?


Running JUST the miner software + Afterburner to monitor GPU status during the testing, yes the FULL iGPU capabilities were in use.
Such as they are.


The Block Erupter was a single-chip USB stick from an early generation, and has proven to be INFERIOR on performnace (though not on efficiency) to many GPUs.
It's also a money loser and has been for YEARS on anything SHA256.


I AM going to be curious to see what the POLARIS based (not Vega) iGPU designs out of AMD have for performance - and how it compares to discrete GPUs with the same core count and similar core clock.
I'm betting they STILL don't match up well, due to memory limitations, but should be a major improvement over the A10/A12 generation.

The GT 740 doesn't even count as an ENTRY LEVEL card any more, much less "low-mid range".
GTX 1030 blows it completely out of the water and the 1030 is BARELY classifiable as "entry level" by current standards since it does get matched on gaming performance by some iGPUs.






newbie
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Are we sure that mining over integrated graphics isn't profitable last days, especially with free electricity?

If mining monero through CPU is okay, then why mining whatever through integrated graphics is bad idea?

 Because, as I ALREADY EXPLAINED, the iGPU has pathetic performance even compared to a VERY LOW END discrete card per the TESTING I did on both my Intel AND my old AMD iGPUs.

 Iris Pro is NOT going to be anywhere close to the performance of the Nvidia GTX 750 ti, much less the MID RANGE 9xx cards.
 The top end Iris Pro iGPU *MIGHT* manage to match my AMD A10-5700 as it has about double the cores of the Intel I did testing on, but that's STILL a sad joke compared to any discrete GPU less than 5 years old.


 Keep in mind that Monero is specifically designed to make both CPUs and GPUs fairly close to equal on performance - nothing else has managed to keep them in the same ballpark to date, and even Monero is failing on that lately to some degree with the Vega (back when they could be found near MSRP).





The only mining benchmark I have for my Iris Pro 580 is with mining bitcoins. I can pull off slightly more than 100 MH/s for bitcoin though drops to 90 sometimes, overall which is roughly equivalent to a GT 740 that I also tested with. By comparison, an old BlockErupter USB ASIC I have for mining bitcoins only pulls off 333 MH/s. So while the Iris Pro might not be as good as a GTX 750 Ti, it's able to consistently keep up with the GT 740 without needed to be overclocked or anything. In fact, I think it even manages to keep up with the GT 940M in my Surface Book.

So for cryptonote currencies like Monero being very CPU friendly as it is, mining with a high end iGPU isn't such a bad idea. And now that there are Intel and Ryzen CPU's coming with Vega iGPU's that'll make mining with an iGPU even better. But as far as Intel GPU's, based on my experience with mining bitcoins, the Iris Pro 580 isn't that bad compared to some low-mid range NVidia 700 series GPU's.
sr. member
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with integrated gpu you cant generally mine and even if you succed you will earn like 1 dollar in 10 years! so ot buy a real gpu card or you have to give up
newbie
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Are we sure that mining over integrated graphics isn't profitable last days, especially with free electricity?

If mining monero through CPU is okay, then why mining whatever through integrated graphics is bad idea?

 Because, as I ALREADY EXPLAINED, the iGPU has pathetic performance even compared to a VERY LOW END discrete card per the TESTING I did on both my Intel AND my old AMD iGPUs.

 Iris Pro is NOT going to be anywhere close to the performance of the Nvidia GTX 750 ti, much less the MID RANGE 9xx cards.
 The top end Iris Pro iGPU *MIGHT* manage to match my AMD A10-5700 as it has about double the cores of the Intel I did testing on, but that's STILL a sad joke compared to any discrete GPU less than 5 years old.


 Keep in mind that Monero is specifically designed to make both CPUs and GPUs fairly close to equal on performance - nothing else has managed to keep them in the same ballpark to date, and even Monero is failing on that lately to some degree with the Vega (back when they could be found near MSRP).





Maybe your tests were not using the full iGPU? Refering to OP's post;

the gpu ramps up to it's minimal operating frequency of 349Mhz, and refuses to go any higher. I've tried to find a way to directly access the bus (as Intel Extreme Tuning Utility only allows for adjustment of the ratios and voltages that affect maximum processing speed, but the governor remains Windows Ondemand,) but it seems nothing exists. That one time I spoke of earlier, I don't know what exactly happened, I started BFGMiner as usual, with the same config file I always used, no new options, and the graphics frequency shot up. And I was getting respectable scrypt hashrates, at the pool! Nothing crazy, but 1-2MH/s (compared to the 10-15KH/s I averaged normally.)

if it was possible to trigger the iGPU to work at 100% boosted freq (or just under it, to maintain 24/7 uptime), then perhaps the performance would not be as pathetic as you and others claim they are?

In terms of the other remarks of minimal return/waste of time/not worth damaging the CPU for etc - sure, but the OP's question has some merit in and of itself, regardless of profitiablity or even practicality. Namely to not only get the iGPU to do some openCL work instead of doing nothing, but also figuring out how to get it to speed boost to a high clock speed and maintain it whilst doing so. I'm sure that's of academic interest to at least someone out there; and there are a bunch of programmers around here that might spare some time if they are curious into looking at it.

Any other comments about using the iGPU being a waste of time is not actually answering OP's question, so you're the only ones wasting time around here.

Does anyone have any ideas on mow I might possibly get the graphics card up, an opencl parameter perhaps?
legendary
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Are we sure that mining over integrated graphics isn't profitable last days, especially with free electricity?

If mining monero through CPU is okay, then why mining whatever through integrated graphics is bad idea?

 Because, as I ALREADY EXPLAINED, the iGPU has pathetic performance even compared to a VERY LOW END discrete card per the TESTING I did on both my Intel AND my old AMD iGPUs.

 Iris Pro is NOT going to be anywhere close to the performance of the Nvidia GTX 750 ti, much less the MID RANGE 9xx cards.
 The top end Iris Pro iGPU *MIGHT* manage to match my AMD A10-5700 as it has about double the cores of the Intel I did testing on, but that's STILL a sad joke compared to any discrete GPU less than 5 years old.


 Keep in mind that Monero is specifically designed to make both CPUs and GPUs fairly close to equal on performance - nothing else has managed to keep them in the same ballpark to date, and even Monero is failing on that lately to some degree with the Vega (back when they could be found near MSRP).



newbie
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if mining using integrated GPUs only has a bit hashrate, waste of electricity, another part to become broken. better get the real GPUs. but I know..know price of GPUs is very expensive at this time.you can to be patient than of the must do mining without GPUs.

The Intel Iris Pro 580 I have should be able to get me hashrates close to that of midrange NVidia GPU's from the 900 series. I obviously haven't test it yet, but I think I can probably manage about 100 H/s or more from my Intel Iris Pro 580 which is not bad for mining monero or other cryptonote currencies that remain CPU friendly for mining to this day.
sr. member
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Steady State Finance
if mining using integrated GPUs only has a bit hashrate, waste of electricity, another part to become broken. better get the real GPUs. but I know..know price of GPUs is very expensive at this time.you can to be patient than of the must do mining without GPUs.
hero member
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While you *can* make this happen somehow, it is such a low end gpu you wont make any profit on it relative to the amount of work it will take for you to even get it live. It just a waste of time and processor cycles.
legendary
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I'd still monitor temperatures on the NUC for the first few days of it mining just in case something goes out of whack (and maybe have some thermal paste on hand too). The Intel GPU itself probably won't mine quickly and I'd personally leave it be but your best bet is probably something like XMR with something like a NUC if you're looking to mine remotely profitably.

Yeah good idea, I'll be sure to keep an eye on that. I'm already using that NUC to CPU mine XMR for the past month or so and it's handled that pretty well.

Running both the CPU and IGPU at 100% will push the temperature up, make sure the fan speed keeps up.
Also be careful changing algos, some will stress the CPU more, some the GPU and some both.

Co-mining will also have a higher memory load as both the CPU and IGPU share the same memory system.
By comparing the speed co-mining vs each alone will show if there's any congestion reducing performance.

newbie
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i've been asking myself this very question

i don't mean to rain on the (get a real gpu) parade here, I agree, but there's a good reason for wanting to be able to leverage IGPU.

i recently built a RIG with an i7-8700 and 4x EVGA 1070tis on an ROG z730 strix. Getting 2.3Ksols on ZEC and about 120MHs on ETH.

that rig cost a pretty penny though and it'll take about 1.5 years to break even at the current rate anyway.

of course, i'm using the EVGA cards to mine ETH or ZEC - whatever is more profitable for the week

but i'm also using the RIG to mine XMR on the CPU (seems like that's the only coin that can still be mined on the CPU) - the idea here is to maximize the potential for ROI - put every last watt to work!

The i7-8700 alone is doing a mere 180 H/s which is like watching paint dry, but it has a built-in Intel UHD 630 GPU and, well, wouldn't it be nice to be able to put that puppy to work too.

Anyway, this post (https://github.com/fireice-uk/xmr-stak-amd/issues/56) seems to suggest that XMR-Stack might be able to do that with OpenCL drivers.

i'll let you guys know how that goes.. .just downloaded the drivers. about to install on the RIG.

Can't wait to hear your results, I too would like to mine on my integrated Intel Iris Pro 580 which, as far as gaming goes, is actually not bad. It's in my Intel Skull Canyon NUC so it's got pretty good cooling in it compared to a laptop and probably can run at 100% for a lot longer than a laptop can. But so far I haven't found anything that can mine cryptonote currencies with the Intel GPU.  I used to mine bitcoins briefly with it though and it could pull off around 100 MH/s which is pretty good, a long time ago lol. But I bet for cryptonote currencies, it'd be very good.
I'd still monitor temperatures on the NUC for the first few days of it mining just in case something goes out of whack (and maybe have some thermal paste on hand too). The Intel GPU itself probably won't mine quickly and I'd personally leave it be but your best bet is probably something like XMR with something like a NUC if you're looking to mine remotely profitably.

Yeah good idea, I'll be sure to keep an eye on that. I'm already using that NUC to CPU mine XMR for the past month or so and it's handled that pretty well.
legendary
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Bitcoin FTW!
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Can't wait to hear your results, I too would like to mine on my integrated Intel Iris Pro 580 which, as far as gaming goes, is actually not bad. It's in my Intel Skull Canyon NUC so it's got pretty good cooling in it compared to a laptop and probably can run at 100% for a lot longer than a laptop can. But so far I haven't found anything that can mine cryptonote currencies with the Intel GPU.  I used to mine bitcoins briefly with it though and it could pull off around 100 MH/s which is pretty good, a long time ago lol. But I bet for cryptonote currencies, it'd be very good.
I'd still monitor temperatures on the NUC for the first few days of it mining just in case something goes out of whack (and maybe have some thermal paste on hand too). The Intel GPU itself probably won't mine quickly and I'd personally leave it be but your best bet is probably something like XMR with something like a NUC if you're looking to mine remotely profitably.
newbie
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i've been asking myself this very question

i don't mean to rain on the (get a real gpu) parade here, I agree, but there's a good reason for wanting to be able to leverage IGPU.

i recently built a RIG with an i7-8700 and 4x EVGA 1070tis on an ROG z730 strix. Getting 2.3Ksols on ZEC and about 120MHs on ETH.

that rig cost a pretty penny though and it'll take about 1.5 years to break even at the current rate anyway.

of course, i'm using the EVGA cards to mine ETH or ZEC - whatever is more profitable for the week

but i'm also using the RIG to mine XMR on the CPU (seems like that's the only coin that can still be mined on the CPU) - the idea here is to maximize the potential for ROI - put every last watt to work!

The i7-8700 alone is doing a mere 180 H/s which is like watching paint dry, but it has a built-in Intel UHD 630 GPU and, well, wouldn't it be nice to be able to put that puppy to work too.

Anyway, this post (https://github.com/fireice-uk/xmr-stak-amd/issues/56) seems to suggest that XMR-Stack might be able to do that with OpenCL drivers.

i'll let you guys know how that goes.. .just downloaded the drivers. about to install on the RIG.

Can't wait to hear your results, I too would like to mine on my integrated Intel Iris Pro 580 which, as far as gaming goes, is actually not bad. It's in my Intel Skull Canyon NUC so it's got pretty good cooling in it compared to a laptop and probably can run at 100% for a lot longer than a laptop can. But so far I haven't found anything that can mine cryptonote currencies with the Intel GPU.  I used to mine bitcoins briefly with it though and it could pull off around 100 MH/s which is pretty good, a long time ago lol. But I bet for cryptonote currencies, it'd be very good.
sr. member
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See this is the reason why trolls and idiots are paying $1000 for a rx 580, they are desperate and you should never underestimate the desperate ehhe

OP, come on smart up, IGPU is only for gaming and barely for gaming.
newbie
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Are we sure that mining over integrated graphics isn't profitable last days, especially with free electricity?

If mining monero through CPU is okay, then why mining whatever through integrated graphics is bad idea?
sr. member
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Sorry I sound rude. Here is my 3 cents worth , there is nothing that u could mine with the Intel HD 530. Even x11 and scrpyt have been taken over by AISC few years ago. Since the iGPU doesnt have its own dedicated vram, there is no possible way it could mine anything with it. If you would like, u can mine CPU coins with ur processor instead. FYI, even buying the best gpu is not really profitable to mine any coins since the mining difficulty is too high.
sr. member
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Mining on intel integrate hd grapic is waste of time  Smiley
Buy gpu or mine some cpu coin
You know about crypto mining, dont waste time  Wink
legendary
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They don't access enough RAM to mine ETH - AFAIK NOTHING in an IGPU can access the "more than 2GB" of RAM you need your GPU to have to mine ETH.

 Their performance is a joke compared to AMD IGPUs - which don't mine worth beans either, my A10-7890k I did some testing on at one point managed about 11 sol/s on ZEC mining (1/5th of what a HD 7750 with the SAME number of cores running at the SAME core clock speed manages, but the HD 7750 had GDDR instead of DDR).

 Intel IGPU don't even work well on the Distributed.Net client (which is a form of crypto work that DOES work well on the A10 IGPUs due to the tiny size of the code and the very small size of the data) - the 620 graphics (which is the HIGHEST you can get in an Intel Desktop CPU) manage a bit less than HALF the keyrate of my 3 generations old A10-5700 IGPU on Dnet work, and they're only close to half if you aren't using the CPU AT ALL.
 Intel doesn't seem to give you any ability to "tune" the things at all, and they put heavy priority on the CPU side - AMD lets you tune BOTH sides on every MB I've worked with to date to at least some degree.

 IMO ignore the things entirely for anything crypto, they're not worth the hassle to get working.

 For that matter, the AMD IGPUs IMO should also be ignored for cryptocoin mining.



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