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Topic: Mining plants in China are shutting down. How will this be reflected on Btc (Read 637 times)

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We must always try to look at any any positive angle we can from any news and this is one of them, China due to being the country that had the most miners always had a huge influence over the market, if those mining operations are closing down then it is unlikely this is going to be forever and instead those mining facilities are just relocating themselves, so this is good for bitcoin as the dominance of China over that aspect of the network finally begins to disappear or at least it is not as strong as it is now.

Is it that easy to relocate the mining operations? China is the preferred destination, because they manufacture nearly all of the mining rigs, and also due to the fact that electricity is very cheap there. If the miners relocate to a country such as Mongolia or Russia (where the electricity costs are relatively low), they need to first pay the import duty on mining equipment. And in these countries, the bureaucracy and red tape are big issues. Therefore getting a permit to set up such operations may take a lot of time.
I think it is fair to assume that relocating a mining operation is not something easy to do as not only you need to relocate the equipment but the people that took care of the mining operation and not everyone will be willing or be able to travel, however if there is a ban or at least less tolerance to that kind of activity in China then you do not really have any other option but to do it despite the costs this will generate as the only other option is to close definitely.
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Due to the big blackout in China, the government has decided to ban mining and I have verified that, indeed, many mining facilities are closing. I have seen that there has been a nice cut of hashpower but, I have also found that some hosting centers have closed. This could be good because fewer miners would have more income.
You have verified the banning but you don't even give a link about this here? yeah that is fair  Grin

due to this decision the Market starts to full down and even make bitcoin fall to below 30k once more.
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my idea is: low hashrate low value. Cause the btc price go up when the hashrate go up
It doesn't matter because if the mining stops in China, pretty sure that a lot of people from different countries are going to replace them albeit slowly so worrying for the long-term isn't the best thing to do.
Actually a state in US are planning to cover this mining losses from china and willing to adopt those miners inside their city .

i just forgot what state was that. if I'm not mistaken that is Texas ?





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my idea is: low hashrate low value. Cause the btc price go up when the hashrate go up
It doesn't matter because if the mining stops in China, pretty sure that a lot of people from different countries are going to replace them albeit slowly so worrying for the long-term isn't the best thing to do.
the question is the time. It' s not easy and fast create a farm with low cost energy.
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my idea is: low hashrate low value. Cause the btc price go up when the hashrate go up
It doesn't matter because if the mining stops in China, pretty sure that a lot of people from different countries are going to replace them albeit slowly so worrying for the long-term isn't the best thing to do.
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We must always try to look at any any positive angle we can from any news and this is one of them, China due to being the country that had the most miners always had a huge influence over the market, if those mining operations are closing down then it is unlikely this is going to be forever and instead those mining facilities are just relocating themselves, so this is good for bitcoin as the dominance of China over that aspect of the network finally begins to disappear or at least it is not as strong as it is now.

Is it that easy to relocate the mining operations? China is the preferred destination, because they manufacture nearly all of the mining rigs, and also due to the fact that electricity is very cheap there. If the miners relocate to a country such as Mongolia or Russia (where the electricity costs are relatively low), they need to first pay the import duty on mining equipment. And in these countries, the bureaucracy and red tape are big issues. Therefore getting a permit to set up such operations may take a lot of time.
there are a lot of places in the world. Eu -Us-africa-asia.
surely, if they reposition themselves, the miners will never go to china again. I'll tell you more: given the lack of reliability of the Chinese people, this will also affect other activities.if the electricity will cost 10 cents instead of 6 it means that btc will rise and will be produced with clean energy (solar, wind, hydroelectric)
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We must always try to look at any any positive angle we can from any news and this is one of them, China due to being the country that had the most miners always had a huge influence over the market, if those mining operations are closing down then it is unlikely this is going to be forever and instead those mining facilities are just relocating themselves, so this is good for bitcoin as the dominance of China over that aspect of the network finally begins to disappear or at least it is not as strong as it is now.

Is it that easy to relocate the mining operations? China is the preferred destination, because they manufacture nearly all of the mining rigs, and also due to the fact that electricity is very cheap there. If the miners relocate to a country such as Mongolia or Russia (where the electricity costs are relatively low), they need to first pay the import duty on mining equipment. And in these countries, the bureaucracy and red tape are big issues. Therefore getting a permit to set up such operations may take a lot of time.
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China is probably seeking to promote its own home grown alternatives to BTC where it has so far failed to corner as a market or in mining.  I believe they are incorrect to think they can do better but who will argue with the Red Army so let them try, the dynamics are natural not dictated.   Less miners in China is probably a positive for the world and Bitcoin, perhaps China will inadvertently advance crypto by their attempts but the first moment I hear they intend anything new as a centralized politically controlled system I will know enough.
We must always try to look at any any positive angle we can from any news and this is one of them, China due to being the country that had the most miners always had a huge influence over the market, if those mining operations are closing down then it is unlikely this is going to be forever and instead those mining facilities are just relocating themselves, so this is good for bitcoin as the dominance of China over that aspect of the network finally begins to disappear or at least it is not as strong as it is now.
https://www.btctimes.com/news/pboc-orders-banks-alipay-to-cut-off-bitcoin-linked-transactions
surely china is pushing to bring btc elsewhere
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China is probably seeking to promote its own home grown alternatives to BTC where it has so far failed to corner as a market or in mining.  I believe they are incorrect to think they can do better but who will argue with the Red Army so let them try, the dynamics are natural not dictated.   Less miners in China is probably a positive for the world and Bitcoin, perhaps China will inadvertently advance crypto by their attempts but the first moment I hear they intend anything new as a centralized politically controlled system I will know enough.
We must always try to look at any any positive angle we can from any news and this is one of them, China due to being the country that had the most miners always had a huge influence over the market, if those mining operations are closing down then it is unlikely this is going to be forever and instead those mining facilities are just relocating themselves, so this is good for bitcoin as the dominance of China over that aspect of the network finally begins to disappear or at least it is not as strong as it is now.
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what did people expect from china? Years ago the Chinese government made their position in relation to cryptocurrencies very clear, today people should not be surprised by these decisions because they already knew that in the future this would happen, the Chinese government never gave any hope of change in relation to seeing well the cryptomedas. we are talking about the Chinese government, that government that all of them must be controlled, all things must be Chinese, an anti-democratic country that restricts people's rights. could not expect good things coming from china.
You just described all governments in all countries in all history, not just Chinese government!
Besides it does not surprise anyone that some government in a country did something that was against bitcoin, they have been taking actions against bitcoin for years now all over the world. What surprises us is that people still believe the FUD that tells them "China controls bitcoin" so that they can continue that with "Power outage in China == bitcoin death" and then they panic sell!
You can see some data around the web about 24h change hashrate:
Antpool 16274 phash -29,22%
Poolin 12068 phash -17,46%
Binance pool 11581 -19%
Btc.com 12530 - 14%
This is the data to 19 jun 2021
Seems to be in sept 2017 with the ban of the trading
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what did people expect from china? Years ago the Chinese government made their position in relation to cryptocurrencies very clear, today people should not be surprised by these decisions because they already knew that in the future this would happen, the Chinese government never gave any hope of change in relation to seeing well the cryptomedas. we are talking about the Chinese government, that government that all of them must be controlled, all things must be Chinese, an anti-democratic country that restricts people's rights. could not expect good things coming from china.
You just described all governments in all countries in all history, not just Chinese government!
Besides it does not surprise anyone that some government in a country did something that was against bitcoin, they have been taking actions against bitcoin for years now all over the world. What surprises us is that people still believe the FUD that tells them "China controls bitcoin" so that they can continue that with "Power outage in China == bitcoin death" and then they panic sell!
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MIning farm shutting down in China will somehow have an effect on Bitcoin confirmation time until the difficulty adjustment on the next block.  Aside from that, I don't think it have a huge effect on security.  Though I think this will have a huge effect on the Bitcoin market price as we see when this news comes out, Bitcoin fall from $50k+ to $30k+ due to FUD had been spread that changes the market sentiment.
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what did people expect from china? Years ago the Chinese government made their position in relation to cryptocurrencies very clear, today people should not be surprised by these decisions because they already knew that in the future this would happen, the Chinese government never gave any hope of change in relation to seeing well the cryptomedas. we are talking about the Chinese government, that government that all of them must be controlled, all things must be Chinese, an anti-democratic country that restricts people's rights. could not expect good things coming from china.
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This news can't have a permanent affect on Bitcoin price first of all. And secondly, this is more related to Bitcoin miners rather than Bitcoin price itself I think. They will have to move their mining rigs to another country.
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We just need to wait some more days patiently. Obviously a positive news can bear good result on the price of bitcoin. I hope within short possible of time, we'll be able to get positive news from China. It will help bitcoin to grow $60k again.
it is clear the closure of the BTC mining factory in China will greatly affect the price of BTC, the Chinese government directly prohibits crypto and as a result the public's interest in crypto will decrease, purchasing power decreases and is likely to bring about many changes in the market.  Moreover, China is a fairly large contributor in BTC mining.  Even though the reward between miners is getting bigger, but with bad market conditions, the btc that is dumping results in even less profit.

I think the news is already price-in, even if we hear like everyday news coming from China that they have been 'forcing' to cut electricity for the miners, the price is still going strong above $35k. So investors are not going to bite and sell off because of this news. We are tired of bad news coming from China so for me it's already price in.

And for the miners? they can still do what they want, specially for big mining farms, get out of China, go to friendly countries, used your profit to make more profit. They don't have to stop their business just because their government is clamping them down.
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We just need to wait some more days patiently. Obviously a positive news can bear good result on the price of bitcoin. I hope within short possible of time, we'll be able to get positive news from China. It will help bitcoin to grow $60k again.
it is clear the closure of the BTC mining factory in China will greatly affect the price of BTC, the Chinese government directly prohibits crypto and as a result the public's interest in crypto will decrease, purchasing power decreases and is likely to bring about many changes in the market.  Moreover, China is a fairly large contributor in BTC mining.  Even though the reward between miners is getting bigger, but with bad market conditions, the btc that is dumping results in even less profit.
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China is probably seeking to promote its own home grown alternatives to BTC where it has so far failed to corner as a market or in mining.  I believe they are incorrect to think they can do better but who will argue with the Red Army so let them try, the dynamics are natural not dictated.   Less miners in China is probably a positive for the world and Bitcoin, perhaps China will inadvertently advance crypto by their attempts but the first moment I hear they intend anything new as a centralized politically controlled system I will know enough.
They are pushing for their CBDC which is the Digital Yuan which is I think is the main reason why they are cracking down on cryptocurrency and the mining of it, they don't like competition which is integral in my opinion to the growth of a digital currency.
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China is probably seeking to promote its own home grown alternatives to BTC where it has so far failed to corner as a market or in mining.  I believe they are incorrect to think they can do better but who will argue with the Red Army so let them try, the dynamics are natural not dictated.   Less miners in China is probably a positive for the world and Bitcoin, perhaps China will inadvertently advance crypto by their attempts but the first moment I hear they intend anything new as a centralized politically controlled system I will know enough.
the paradox: China close the miners and El Salvador adopts btc as legal value
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China is probably seeking to promote its own home grown alternatives to BTC where it has so far failed to corner as a market or in mining.  I believe they are incorrect to think they can do better but who will argue with the Red Army so let them try, the dynamics are natural not dictated.   Less miners in China is probably a positive for the world and Bitcoin, perhaps China will inadvertently advance crypto by their attempts but the first moment I hear they intend anything new as a centralized politically controlled system I will know enough.
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mining is banned in CHINA. Each province will decide the timing to remove mining from their area.  Right now they just got notice so I would assume at least 30 days
A nationwide ban on BTCitcoin mining? Would you mind providing a "reliable" source in regards to that? I've tried looking for it on google but had no luck and lately, I've been reading a lot of conflicting news coming in/out of China.
- If what you've written here is indeed the case, then it could have some bad long-term effects [I'm referring to most of the ASIC manufacturers as opposed to its price].
this is the fundamental problem of china. Very little transparency. Even listed companies give very little information and this is what makes investing in China very risky. I believe the source is reliable but we await news
What would you expect from China? For a communist type of country then all the things that would be against into their interest would be definitely be gone or would be banned and when the time that they do saw that they can benefit again then they would revoke such decision and allowing it again.

This isnt the first time on China had been playing with this crypto market and since from those old years where China do really loves on stirring up the crypto scene and this is why anytime they do make out decisions then it turns out to be a casual situation already.

The community doesnt already get surprised and just letting them on all the things  that they do wanted to do.We dont really care at all.
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mining is banned in CHINA. Each province will decide the timing to remove mining from their area.  Right now they just got notice so I would assume at least 30 days
A nationwide ban on BTCitcoin mining? Would you mind providing a "reliable" source in regards to that? I've tried looking for it on google but had no luck and lately, I've been reading a lot of conflicting news coming in/out of China.
- If what you've written here is indeed the case, then it could have some bad long-term effects [I'm referring to most of the ASIC manufacturers as opposed to its price].
this is the fundamental problem of china. Very little transparency. Even listed companies give very little information and this is what makes investing in China very risky. I believe the source is reliable but we await news
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