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Quote from: warweed on May 25, 2011, 06:19:48 PM

Not to worrie about resale as I previously stated when to cost to mine out weights the benefits of mining we will be using the gpu "cluster" persay to work on some other projects and lease it out to researchers I'm sure there are alot of people that would love cheap access to that much power

Who knows lol I sure don't will play it by ear

I don't know about that.

You've got a couple of things to overcome:

1) There are already brokers for general purpose cloud-compute capacity but, nothing for GPGPU yet as far as I know.

2) Scientific computing tends toward Nvidia. Nvidia has been working on making itself a player in that area for several years while AMD is just started. People with CUDA code aren't going to have any interest in your cluster.

I expect that #1 will be resolved before long if it isn't underway already. Once that happens, #2 will disappear too.

It would be very interesting to see bitcoin miners end up as next-generation cloud providers.

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Quote from: warweed on May 25, 2011, 06:19:48 PM

Not to worrie about resale as I previously stated when to cost to mine out weights the benefits of mining we will be using the gpu "cluster" persay to work on some other projects and lease it out to researchers I'm sure there are alot of people that would love cheap access to that much power

Who knows lol I sure don't will play it by ear

You live somewhere in Alberta right? Lease the computational power to the University of Calgary or some other western university.

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Quote from: warweed on May 25, 2011, 06:01:38 PM

I don't disagree that running single gpus per mobo is more power consuming but the proc is hardly used and the hdd won't be spinning constant so the actual benefit ia minimal just like if I were to run my psu's on 240 instead of 120 but yeah I get what your saying when we generate some more profit we may consider switching up hardware and power and use the singles as backups and translationing boards while funding bigger setups who knows this is a fly by the seat of our pants operation lol

Don't use a HD at all. Use a bootable USB stick with LinuxCoin on it. Also running linux ensures that you won't have that nasty 100% cpu usage issue windows miners have.

For PSU I'd try to find 80 Plus Gold rated PSUs if you're concerned about power efficiency - which you should. You'd save 10 to 20 percent per machine in otherwise wasted energy.

Yep, fly by the seat of your pants operations are more fun

Hey if you can have fun while doing it and make some BTC why not do it

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Not to worrie about resale as I previously stated when to cost to mine out weights the benefits of mining we will be using the gpu "cluster" persay to work on some other projects and lease it out to researchers I'm sure there are alot of people that would love cheap access to that much power

Who knows lol I sure don't will play it by ear

w128

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Quote from: Gameover on May 25, 2011, 04:13:33 PM

Quote from: warweed on May 25, 2011, 03:23:36 PM

Quote from: cschmitz on May 25, 2011, 03:04:50 PM

Quote from: warweed on May 25, 2011, 12:48:56 PM

We have a source for complete single slot pcie machines in the amount of 50 machines a skid at a cost of 20 each then add 133 plus tax only on 133 of 5% for the gpu add psu that powers the gpu and board sufficiently for 30 that's 9600 just for the machines that's cheaper by far then what 90% of you even pay for a 5870

See bobR it's not who you know but who knows you ! That's how you get good deals buy in volume with a corporate account

Don't under estimate the cost and moving factor of volume purchases of end of life hardware

Given the way you structured your sentence and your hardware logic, i can only say its not the best idea in the universe, really. Triple slot am3 with 5850s are your best bet if you want to expand massively. your single slot shitpcs have no resale value and will really put a hurting on your administrative overhead with that amount of cards.

Oh and surprisingly I have sold all the legit cd keys for xp pro already for double the cost of the pc itself

But I do get your concerns you are right and English isn't my first language so I'm sorry I know I carry no grammer

he has a point though, given that the difficulty is going well over a million in 20 days, it is quickly going to become all about efficiency, and having 1 card per cpu is a drawback, just as cpu mining isn't worth it, next will be nvidia gpus. how much is each system w/o the vid card going to use?

I imagine losses in efficiency are effectively offset by the fact that the PCs cost $20. Considering a minimal system sans GPU is going to consume <100W in any case and PCs old enough to going for $20 aren't going to particularly power hungry.

Someone building from scratch with new equipment is looking at a lot more than $20 for their CPU, RAM, PSU and 3-slot mobos, probably $100 or more per node. That's a difference of $4000 across 50 machines. Those 50 inefficient machines will probably eat no more than an extra $300-400 per month in power over a 3-slot build. We can hardly predict what the bitcoin world will look in 6+ months when the two would converge.

Someone could point to the potential resale of newer gear at that point but, I think they'd actually be mistaken. You'll have an easier time moving or possibly donating semi-complete systems than selling a pile of low-end, outdated parts.

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I don't disagree that running single gpus per mobo is more power consuming but the proc is hardly used and the hdd won't be spinning constant so the actual benefit ia minimal just like if I were to run my psu's on 240 instead of 120 but yeah I get what your saying when we generate some more profit we may consider switching up hardware and power and use the singles as backups and translationing boards while funding bigger setups who knows this is a fly by the seat of our pants operation lol

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Quote from: Gameover on May 25, 2011, 04:13:33 PM

it is quickly going to become all about efficiency

Efficiency is subjective

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Quote from: warweed on May 25, 2011, 03:23:36 PM

Quote from: cschmitz on May 25, 2011, 03:04:50 PM

Quote from: warweed on May 25, 2011, 12:48:56 PM

We have a source for complete single slot pcie machines in the amount of 50 machines a skid at a cost of 20 each then add 133 plus tax only on 133 of 5% for the gpu add psu that powers the gpu and board sufficiently for 30 that's 9600 just for the machines that's cheaper by far then what 90% of you even pay for a 5870

See bobR it's not who you know but who knows you ! That's how you get good deals buy in volume with a corporate account

Don't under estimate the cost and moving factor of volume purchases of end of life hardware

Given the way you structured your sentence and your hardware logic, i can only say its not the best idea in the universe, really. Triple slot am3 with 5850s are your best bet if you want to expand massively. your single slot shitpcs have no resale value and will really put a hurting on your administrative overhead with that amount of cards.

Oh and surprisingly I have sold all the legit cd keys for xp pro already for double the cost of the pc itself

But I do get your concerns you are right and English isn't my first language so I'm sorry I know I carry no grammer

he has a point though, given that the difficulty is going well over a million in 20 days, it is quickly going to become all about efficiency, and having 1 card per cpu is a drawback, just as cpu mining isn't worth it, next will be nvidia gpus. how much is each system w/o the vid card going to use?

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Quote from: cschmitz on May 25, 2011, 03:04:50 PM

Quote from: warweed on May 25, 2011, 12:48:56 PM

We have a source for complete single slot pcie machines in the amount of 50 machines a skid at a cost of 20 each then add 133 plus tax only on 133 of 5% for the gpu add psu that powers the gpu and board sufficiently for 30 that's 9600 just for the machines that's cheaper by far then what 90% of you even pay for a 5870

See bobR it's not who you know but who knows you ! That's how you get good deals buy in volume with a corporate account

Don't under estimate the cost and moving factor of volume purchases of end of life hardware

Given the way you structured your sentence and your hardware logic, i can only say its not the best idea in the universe, really. Triple slot am3 with 5850s are your best bet if you want to expand massively. your single slot shitpcs have no resale value and will really put a hurting on your administrative overhead with that amount of cards.

Oh and surprisingly I have sold all the legit cd keys for xp pro already for double the cost of the pc itself

But I do get your concerns you are right and English isn't my first language so I'm sorry I know I carry no grammer

warweed

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Quote from: cschmitz on May 25, 2011, 03:04:50 PM

Quote from: warweed on May 25, 2011, 12:48:56 PM

We have a source for complete single slot pcie machines in the amount of 50 machines a skid at a cost of 20 each then add 133 plus tax only on 133 of 5% for the gpu add psu that powers the gpu and board sufficiently for 30 that's 9600 just for the machines that's cheaper by far then what 90% of you even pay for a 5870

See bobR it's not who you know but who knows you ! That's how you get good deals buy in volume with a corporate account

Don't under estimate the cost and moving factor of volume purchases of end of life hardware

Given the way you structured your sentence and your hardware logic, i can only say its not the best idea in the universe, really. Triple slot am3 with 5850s are your best bet if you want to expand massively. your single slot shitpcs have no resale value and will really put a hurting on your administrative overhead with that amount of cards.

Have you seen the costs of psu's that are needed for a 3 gpu machine on top of that what happens when a board or psu or one fault happens 3 cards go down huh
Even daisy chaning psu's is pointless and stupid

And guys quit fucking bickering seriously all your advice and suggestions are all being taken into consideration

And your input is appreciated because your right some of you have alot more experience

Jesus Christ are we 14 trying to start a flame war grow the fuck up

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Oh and in addition it's the power company that tips off the cops of large use also run audits for illegal taps checking with some weird laser at the feed into the house and the feed from the meter to verify all is good there is a threshold to which raises flags of above normal household consumption to which is then investigated

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Quote from: warweed on May 25, 2011, 12:48:56 PM

We have a source for complete single slot pcie machines in the amount of 50 machines a skid at a cost of 20 each then add 133 plus tax only on 133 of 5% for the gpu add psu that powers the gpu and board sufficiently for 30 that's 9600 just for the machines that's cheaper by far then what 90% of you even pay for a 5870

See bobR it's not who you know but who knows you ! That's how you get good deals buy in volume with a corporate account

Don't under estimate the cost and moving factor of volume purchases of end of life hardware

Given the way you structured your sentence and your hardware logic, i can only say its not the best idea in the universe, really. Triple slot am3 with 5850s are your best bet if you want to expand massively. your single slot shitpcs have no resale value and will really put a hurting on your administrative overhead with that amount of cards.

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Quote from: bobR on May 25, 2011, 01:51:15 PM

yep and you were loads of help to his problem
get a life & stop trooling

My post was loads of help to anyone considering doing the same thing - quite simply - to go it alone is ridiculous. It was based on the insights gained by building and operating Internet datacenters for the past 6 years. And it'll be even more helpful when the OP comes back and says "omgosh, I had to shut off rigs during the day because my room was 40 degrees hotter than the outside air during the peak of summer!". It is you who are trolling, but your naiveté precludes you from realizing the same.

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Exactly and my dad is aviation enforcement and maintenance enforcement cheif of the prairie region of Canada the local sky lights flying overs sophisticated enough to detect if the heat is consistent with a signature from a metal halide or high press sodium bulb

Secondly Edmonton is a very large police force there is a big difference between RCMP and municipal police (like comparing a highway cop to a city cop)

Thirdly no the draw should not exceed 100amp at 120v
Plus AC or cooling

So if anyone else has concerns I will address them now then respectfully request we get off this tangent qnd back to the main topic

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Quote from: Gameover on May 25, 2011, 02:12:08 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Why would it be a problem if he wasn't doing anything illegal in the first place?

its not a problem in the long run, but the feds busting down your door at 2am can be some scary shit lol, more of an inconvenience. unknown to most that local police, DEA, and FEDs use IR drones to detect heat signatures and monitor houses power usage to detect grow houses, since lighting uses a lot of electricity to grow pot plants.

you guys need to get a life
stop believing in santa and the sifi fairy
most drug bust's are ratted out info
if it was ir from power usage every factory and most any business would be on the radar

AND this has little to due with the subject at hand
some one doing legitimate business ...In canada ..where the US dea HAS NO AUTHORITY
enough already with this BS

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Quote from: warweed on May 25, 2011, 12:32:40 PM

First off my cost is no were near 60g lol try more like 12g haha like I said this is a cheap setup check YouTube.com/warweed for what we were running before that's all brig consolidated into one room and tripled then add cooling ontop of that

And like I said it's epcor (power company) that flags a house for excessive usage they have already been contacted same with local law if the proceed we will sue the
And don't worrie we will recover our costs easily in hardware and when power starts to be to mch in relation to payout we shall lease out the gpu cluster to university researchers

or something to that effect

cool man, if you would like to share i would still love to see your cost projections and ROI, but as you say since it sounds like all of your next setup is funded by bitcoins there is nothing to lose in effect, but still that's 12g that could be in your bank...

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Why would it be a problem if he wasn't doing anything illegal in the first place?

its not a problem in the long run, but the feds busting down your door at 2am can be some scary shit lol, more of an inconvenience. unknown to most that local police, DEA, and FEDs use IR drones to detect heat signatures and monitor houses power usage to detect grow houses, since lighting uses a lot of electricity to grow pot plants.

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Why would it be a problem if he wasn't doing anything illegal in the first place?

It wouldn't
but we have the trolls that seem to have nothing better to do than scan what has been posted adding nothing but drivel just to see their name or say how great they are
There should be a special twit thread just for the KIDS that need to do that

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Quote from: pwnyboy on May 25, 2011, 01:39:39 PM

Quote from: bobR on May 25, 2011, 01:13:58 PM

pwnyboy can you at least read before sticking your foot in your mouth

Would be a nice trick for "The Fed's" to bag a CANADIAN

The OP mentioned "FEDS". I knew he was Canadian and rightfully assumed he was referring to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, a federal police service.

It is you who'se put his foot in his mouth. Good day sir.

yep and you were loads of help to his problem
get a life & stop trooling

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Quote from: bobR on May 25, 2011, 01:13:58 PM

pwnyboy can you at least read before sticking your foot in your mouth

Would be a nice trick for "The Fed's" to bag a CANADIAN

The OP mentioned "FEDS". I knew he was Canadian and rightfully assumed he was referring to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, a federal police service.

It is you who'se put his foot in his mouth. Good day sir.

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