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Quote from: 5ensei on February 09, 2019, 03:04:56 PM

One good thing about quoting is that the original poster is unable to change the post and therefore it is locked in forever. This is useful for bounty pages where they change the rules and then deny it.

For bounty pages like payment rates, and for bitcoin stake to identify ownership of forum account.
Anyway, we never have to make pyramid quote in those cases above.

Pyramid quotes only occurs with lazy spamming writers, who simply try to have more postcount and don't care what they quote, what they write.

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One good thing about quoting is that the original poster is unable to change the post and therefore it is locked in forever. This is useful for bounty pages where they change the rules and then deny it.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on February 02, 2019, 04:44:00 PM

Best option will be a neutral tag instead of red tag because in the first place, the trust system was introduced for trust feedbacks not as punishment for breaking forum rules. You can report a post if you feel the excessively quoting have turned the post into a spam and moderators will look into the report.

It's doesn't necessarily have to be a red rag there can be other punishment melted to misuse of quote and it should be placed with the likes of spamming

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Neutral tags do not make sense, I think.
One more thing, if there are some kinds of punishments on pyramid quotes, some questions should be taken into consideration too. Because we can not punish others arbitrarily.
- How many repeatedly quotes will be considered as pyramid quotes.
- How many repetitions on pyramid quotes before get punishements.

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on February 02, 2019, 04:44:00 PM

Best option will be a neutral tag instead of red tag because in the first place, the trust system was introduced for trust feedbacks not as punishment for breaking forum rules. You can report a post if you feel the excessively quoting have turned the post into a spam and moderators will look into the report.

I don't know that it is possible in technical aspect or not.
You have innovative ideas, and I hope that theymos or forum mods might see your suggestion.

Quote from: r1s2g3 on February 02, 2019, 04:27:30 PM

I am not saying ban the user, I was saying ban the multi quotes/pyramid quotes. In other words remove/disable this existing functionality of pyramid quoting. No need by theymos to start another report.

Always should spend a couple of seconds to do this.

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Due to forum pyramid quoting option, I need to manually delete the earlier quotes.(but I will leave them today.)

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It was sad to know that the violator given above by OP was a senior member, that was so disappointing Undecided

. But that is not the worse, another part which annoys me is the fact that he only did a one liner post (probably he was thinking that his post will look longer by doing such thing). I'm pretty sure that all of us have the sentiment regarding this.

Anyway, there's nothing new. I know that it all sucks but actually I'm now learning to get used to it as time goes by. It's just like that I already accept that committing such lapses are inevitable.

Quote from: jademaxsuy on February 03, 2019, 02:55:07 AM

I agree with clicking the link from Quote from: (Forum User) will redirect to the post that is not snip like this post I quoted. I've been doing that when I'm searching the forum to redirect me to the post I wanted to find or to read.

Hmm, I think it becomes a laborious task because you need to click the link, wait for loading then go back again to your post. Nevertheless, it is still a good suggestion when it comes to the issue of making cleaner appearance of posts

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Quote from: Sharon121212 on January 30, 2019, 02:55:48 PM

In this post you would notice some members quoting the whole post and some of the reply are not just important and really unnecessary

This is so problematic for discussion. I always choose my quote that i want to post reply to. Almost never quoting whole post unless really necessary.
I wish more would do that, discussion would be easier to read.

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Quote from: r1s2g3 on February 02, 2019, 12:28:02 AM

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I agree with clicking the link from Quote from: (Forum User) will redirect to the post that is not snip like this post I quoted. I've been doing that when I'm searching the forum to redirect me to the post I wanted to find or to read.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on February 03, 2019, 12:06:41 AM

When you say OP you mean

I meant the person who posted it, not just the thread starter. So if I were to quote your post above:

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss

When you say OP you mean

If that's what you mean, I disagree with you because If this was already implemented it means I won't have been able to qoute reply you right?
Qouting shows you're giving a direct response to another reply on thread. replies without quote most times on a thread shows you're responding to the original thread/post. And other times, those type of reply can be confusing as one may not know what you're responding to.
Qouting shouldn't be restricted to OP in fact, qouting the OP isn't necessary unless you're responding to a particular sentence in that OP and qouting the whole OP isn't appropriate.

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Quote from: UserU on February 02, 2019, 11:37:26 PM

Or maybe the function should be re-coded that only the OP instead of the previous ones would be quoted.

When you say OP you mean

Quote from: yogi on November 19, 2012, 05:58:51 PM

'OP' Original Post / Original Poster. This could refer to either the user that started the thread or the first post in the thread.

If that's what you mean, I disagree with you because If this was already implemented it means I won't have been able to qoute reply you right?
Qouting shows you're giving a direct response to another reply on thread. replies without quote most times on a thread shows you're responding to the original thread/post. And other times, those type of reply can be confusing as one may not know what you're responding to.
Qouting shouldn't be restricted to OP in fact, qouting the OP isn't necessary unless you're responding to a particular sentence in that OP and qouting the whole OP isn't appropriate.

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Or maybe the function should be re-coded that only the OP instead of the previous ones would be quoted.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on February 02, 2019, 04:44:00 PM

Quote from: tbct_mt2 on February 02, 2019, 12:20:46 PM

However, another punishment, like red tags might be good.

Best option will be a neutral tag instead of red tag because in the first place, the trust system was introduced for trust feedbacks not as punishment for breaking forum rules. You can report a post if you feel the excessively quoting have turned the post into a spam and moderators will look into the report.

Indeed, leave the old times of using the Red Trust, but as for breaking the rules numerous times Reds might be considered OR just a perma ban I think Huh

Quote from: r1s2g3 on February 01, 2019, 08:41:26 PM

I think forum should ban Multi quotes or pyramid quotes.

it can't be banned for it being used for social media bounty reports not unless we're also trying to ban them from running here.
Or maybe a new type of message report will be given to the participants. Just like, instead of quoting they'll have A,B,C / 1,2,3 / Buttons or even using Horizontal Rule

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on February 02, 2019, 12:20:46 PM

However, another punishment, like red tags might be good.

Best option will be a neutral tag instead of red tag because in the first place, the trust system was introduced for trust feedbacks not as punishment for breaking forum rules. You can report a post if you feel the excessively quoting have turned the post into a spam and moderators will look into the report.

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on February 02, 2019, 12:20:46 PM

Quote from: r1s2g3 on February 01, 2019, 08:41:26 PM

I think forum should ban Multi quotes or pyramid quotes. They are just increasing the length of post without any value addition.
For long quotes, quoting can be limited to say 100 words.

Ban, it is unrealistic suggestion.
However, another punishment, like red tags might be good.
Jet Cash proposed about it in another topic.
By now, I known that the forum has only report for spamming posts, repeatedly posts with same contents around.
I wish that in the future, theymos will expand reports on pyramid quotes.

I am not saying ban the user, I was saying ban the multi quotes/pyramid quotes. In other words remove/disable this existing functionality of pyramid quoting. No need by theymos to start another report.
Due to forum pyramid quoting option, I need to manually delete the earlier quotes.(but I will leave them today.)

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on February 02, 2019, 12:20:46 PM

However, another punishment, like red tags might be good.
Jet Cash proposed about it in another topic.

Red tag for posting pyramid quotes? I hope you're not serious. It would be misuse of trust system. Ok, such quotes are really annoying, but that's all. Users don't deserved to be red tagged just because they don't know posting etiquette...

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Quote from: r1s2g3 on February 01, 2019, 08:41:26 PM

I think forum should ban Multi quotes or pyramid quotes. They are just increasing the length of post without any value addition.
For long quotes, quoting can be limited to say 100 words.

Ban, it is unrealistic suggestion.
However, another punishment, like red tags might be good.
Jet Cash proposed about it in another topic.
By now, I known that the forum has only report for spamming posts, repeatedly posts with same contents around.
I wish that in the future, theymos will expand reports on pyramid quotes.

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Quote from: Coyster on February 02, 2019, 12:10:52 AM

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You can just snip it like that, users who are already reading,already know the earlier post and they do not need to see it again. If somebody jumped in middle of thread, then that user can reach to that desired post by the link .

I visited another forum based in SMF, they do not allow multiquotes.

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Quote from: r1s2g3 on February 01, 2019, 08:41:26 PM

I think forum should ban Multi quotes or pyramid quotes. They are just increasing the length of post without any value addition.
For long quotes, quoting can be limited to say 100 words.

There is no way it can be banned as it has it can also serve a good purpose,especially on a post with multiple pages,its cool in such threads to probably quote an entire text,if you'll be reacting to all of it
Where the issue is, happens to be full quotes on the first or second page,and most annoyingly on the 1st reply,it just makes things look childish and it'll be appreciated of individuals who do such would really grow up and do the right thing

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Quote from: bitmover on January 30, 2019, 03:08:49 PM

In the case you mentioned they are only spammers I believe, not bumpers

Exactly, because these spammers would never mind reading the whole post, they just automatically quote and make a reply.
If they would only ready, they would have not quote the whole post but only those who are just relevant to their replies.

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I think forum should ban Multi quotes or pyramid quotes. They are just increasing the length of post without any value addition.
For long quotes, quoting can be limited to say 100 words.

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Missuse of quote button is very annoying thing. For example, someone quotes ANN with all images and just drop generic sentence after full quote. If you you're quoting long text, it would be better to remove irrelevant parts of text. Another annoying thing - pyramid quotes.
But I think it's not problem of new members only. Many high ranked users also missusing quote button. Even I did these mistakes not so long time ago - I quoted full OP, made pyramid quotes and etc. I didn't cared much about how my posts looks, because I saw majority of users doing same thing. I only realised that such quoting is annoying after release of Merit system by reading all these guides how to get Merit. And I think that now posting culture increased a bit and hope that posting etiquette will continue to improve into positive side.

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Reporting such posts is the best alternative, especially if it adds nothing of value to the thread. Users who misuse the quote feature or any other posting feature, or those who post multiple times in roll mostly do not hang around Meta.
Report the post and the moderators would handle it and clean up the thread.

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Quote from: joniboini on January 31, 2019, 02:03:30 AM

I'm not surprised tbh. There's someone who just cares about getting money after all, and they don't care about post quality, as long as the BM count it. So maybe the BM is to blame here? If any BM judged post as reputable managers did, they won't get paid, I'm sure.

Some bounty manager are also just interested in the fact that you wearing there signature and you are meeting up with the weekly commitment regardless of the quality of the job

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Quote from: Jet Cash on January 30, 2019, 03:22:11 PM

I don't think most of them care - they just want to pump out voluminous looking posts.

but don't quote me on that.

This is just to comply number of post as per required by the bounty managers. There is no quality post already on this kind of reply making an opinion that is only pointing out a certain sentence in the topic being relied.

I had been seeing it more in the spam threads and it does not feel comfortable reading in the likes of those replies.

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Exactly.
That is the reason why I created the topic months ago.
Tips for avoiding pyramid quotes

Quote from: Sharon121212 on January 30, 2019, 02:55:48 PM

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Misuse of quote is another form of spamming and should be frowned on

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Quote from: kingpin4321 on January 31, 2019, 01:34:16 AM

I also think just putting an @and the name of the user you quoting can also help to prevent huge quote pyramid.
Your audience would still understand that you are making reference to a particular persons reply

Combined with piggy mentions tool, using @xxxx is probably a better choice. But quoting can be used to show which point you exactly replied to.

Quote from: logfiles on January 30, 2019, 06:05:09 PM

What surprises me is you even see full member and senior member chaps doing such things. After all that time in the forum, it clearly shows you that such people aren't really what the bitcoin community was intended to be.

I'm not surprised tbh. There's someone who just cares about getting money after all, and they don't care about post quality, as long as the BM count it. So maybe the BM is to blame here? If any BM judged post as reputable managers did, they won't get paid, I'm sure.

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I also think just putting an @and the name of the user you quoting can also help to prevent huge quote pyramid.
Your audience would still understand that you are making reference to a particular persons reply

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Quote from: Sharon121212 on January 30, 2019, 02:55:48 PM

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I particularly got so fond of this way of quoting long posts, well thanks to DmrDmr Grin

Back to the point, quoting long posts is usually done by people who care less about the forum so long as they have filled up their weekly quoting quota for signatures...
As someone said before me, other's are just after bumping the thread.

What surprises me is you even see full member and senior member chaps doing such things. After all that time in the forum, it clearly shows you that such people aren't really what the bitcoin community was intended to be.

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I don't think most of them care - they just want to pump out voluminous looking posts.

but don't quote me on that.

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OP maybe you need to add this quote as a motivation for those spam quoting to stop. I advocate keeping good posting record and knowing how to quote post is one of them.

Here's the quote:

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 11, 2019, 07:40:55 AM

What you guys don't seem to realise is that volume readers, such as merit sources, don't have the time to read long posts, unless they are interesting of course. If I see a post with a long quote, or a quote pyramid, then I just skip to the next post, so the poster does't get his post read. This may be fine if you are a bounty spammer, and you don't care if nobody reads your comments, but if you are after merits, then you are killing your chances.

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Many spammers use the quote button simple to bump the topic, especially in ANN threads
Those users should always be reported for bumping, if many people report they will probably get banned.

In the case you mentioned they are only spammers I believe, not bumpers

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Quote from: Jet Cash on January 30, 2019, 02:59:41 PM

As I have posted many times, I am prone to put people on ignore for excessive quoting.

This is a good idea and it would help you personally from bumping into misuse of quote but still the menace would not leave the forum.
It's most times done my newbies and a good orientation would help save a user from being a quote abuser or a spammer let's also consider the forum

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As I have posted many times, I am prone to put people on ignore for excessive quoting.

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Quoting someone could be to make reference to what the person had said or written.
This is helpful in the sense it directed at the issue you about to render your opinion on.
But when the quote button is misused it could become an eye sore and make any post untidy.

Here is a long post made by a user
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-can-i-tell-if-bitcoin-is-really-dead-5103925
In this post you would notice some members quoting the whole post and some of the reply are not just important and really unnecessary

Simple and neat way to make a quote.
You can just quote a user and clear the message to the particular message you want to point out this would give readers a clearer view of your reply.
Or you can clear the whole message leaving the quote empty or adding a snip or bracket signifying you are quoting the whole post.

This simple method can make a post look neat and attractive to readers.

Misuse of quote is another form of spamming and should be frowned on

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