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sr. member
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August 04, 2016, 02:47:24 AM
#10
I see some people talk about mixing bitcoins...why dont people just swap bitcoin? EG, Say I have 10BTC and I'll swap one of mine, for one of yours. I give you a wallet address to pay, you pay it, and provide a new address for your coin, which I then pay with one of mine.
Is that not a good way to make your bitcoins a little harder to track?

No. Instead of trusting a faceless organization, you would now be trusting a single individual who would get firsthand knowledge of your Bitcoin address. If you know that individually personally, then the track will be ever so closer to you. Otherwise, you just trusted someone who doesn't owe a shred of loyalty to you with information that would lead back to you.

If you want to thoroughly mix your coins, then repeatedly swap them for altcoins (with not-so-volatile values) under multiple accounts and using different IP addresses, transferring them across multiple wallets during the process. That will require a lot of effort, and your balance will take a hit from multiple fees incurred, but you'll obfuscate your tracks to a degree that it would become obnoxious to follow it. You can even throw some into a mixer along the way since that's what they're for. Whether mixing coins itself is justifiable, I leave to your own rationalizations and delusions.
legendary
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August 04, 2016, 02:13:10 AM
#9
I give you a wallet address to pay, you pay it, and provide a new address for your coin, which I then pay with one of mine.

Why should I trust you?  How do I know for certain that you'll send to my address?

Is that not a good way to make your bitcoins a little harder to track?

Nope.  If anyone asks me where I got that bitcoin, I'll tell them I got it from you.  Not very difficult to track at all.

Why do people use mixers?

In most cases, they do it for a false sense of anonymity.

swapping can be done by multisig.. and should never be done by just putting funds into a standard address of a stranger(who you cant slap with a wet fish if they run off)

each person creates a priv/pub keypair and only sends each other the public keys to generate a new multisig public key.
(keep the privkeys a secret, obviously)
they both put funds into the multisig

and then both create the transaction to "spend" the inputs.. and ofcourse both sign it..

obviously if they both dont sign it they both cant spend it.
if you dont see your getting the amount you want. then ofcourse you dont sign it. meaning the other person cant get what they want either.
by both signing it means they both agree to the transaction.

but with that said. its stupid to think swapping/mixing coins needs to be complex or that swapping/mixing coins makes you invisible/anonymous
legendary
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August 04, 2016, 02:10:52 AM
#8
Swapping BTC is not good idea  because you are exchanging same thing and there is no benefit. instead of swapping bitcoin to bitcoin exchange with fiat currency  or any goods etc  will be the best options Smiley
Yeah, plus more if you are exchanging with people who turned out to be deceptive. You may be losing the 10 BTC. bitcoin exchange with fiat I think the same, but you should choose a trusted website.
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August 04, 2016, 02:03:07 AM
#7
Swapping BTC is not good idea  because you are exchanging same thing and there is no benefit. instead of swapping bitcoin to bitcoin exchange with fiat currency  or any goods etc  will be the best options Smiley
legendary
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August 02, 2016, 01:12:39 PM
#6
Will you accept Bitcoin from just some random person? This could be some money launderer or someone who just murdered someone for payment or some paedophile network hiding their tracks. I

know I will not do that, so for that reason I send all received coins through a mixer services, just to rinse them a bit and making sure I am not pulled into something I did not do. I would much rather

mix my coins than sending it to some unknown person, with shady intentions.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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August 02, 2016, 12:47:31 PM
#5
I give you a wallet address to pay, you pay it, and provide a new address for your coin, which I then pay with one of mine.

Why should I trust you?  How do I know for certain that you'll send to my address?

Is that not a good way to make your bitcoins a little harder to track?

Nope.  If anyone asks me where I got that bitcoin, I'll tell them I got it from you.  Not very difficult to track at all.

Why do people use mixers?

In most cases, they do it for a false sense of anonymity.
newbie
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August 02, 2016, 12:17:52 PM
#4
I see some people talk about mixing bitcoins...why dont people just swap bitcoin? EG, Say I have 10BTC and I'll swap one of mine, for one of yours. I give you a wallet address to pay, you pay it, and provide a new address for your coin, which I then pay with one of mine.
Is that not a good way to make your bitcoins a little harder to track?
Why will I ever want to swap my bitcoin with anyone, what will it profit me since we would send to each other the same price, I don't think that is a very good idea
Why do people use mixers?
sr. member
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August 02, 2016, 12:13:29 PM
#3
I see some people talk about mixing bitcoins...why dont people just swap bitcoin? EG, Say I have 10BTC and I'll swap one of mine, for one of yours. I give you a wallet address to pay, you pay it, and provide a new address for your coin, which I then pay with one of mine.
Is that not a good way to make your bitcoins a little harder to track?
Why will I ever want to swap my bitcoin with anyone, what will it profit me since we would send to each other the same price, I don't think that is a very good idea
legendary
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August 02, 2016, 12:03:15 PM
#2
I see some people talk about mixing bitcoins...why dont people just swap bitcoin? EG, Say I have 10BTC and I'll swap one of mine, for one of yours. I give you a wallet address to pay, you pay it, and provide a new address for your coin, which I then pay with one of mine.
Is that not a good way to make your bitcoins a little harder to track?
Swapping it doesn't really work because both people just literally swap the same amount, and nothing really changes. It can still be tracked and the swap would still presumably go to the same address, making it more obvious that the person still has "x" amount of Bitcoin, just with a different string. Mixers can send smaller amount over a period of time to a different address while also mixing up the strings and making it harder to follow, and it can make your address look like a completely different one.

Hypothetically swapping would work, but it's harder to do that than it sounds.
newbie
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August 02, 2016, 11:55:28 AM
#1
I see some people talk about mixing bitcoins...why dont people just swap bitcoin? EG, Say I have 10BTC and I'll swap one of mine, for one of yours. I give you a wallet address to pay, you pay it, and provide a new address for your coin, which I then pay with one of mine.
Is that not a good way to make your bitcoins a little harder to track?
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