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legendary
Activity: 3374
Merit: 2198
I stand with Ukraine.
May 03, 2021, 10:52:10 AM
#35
So I was thinking... https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56156990

Mnemonic Slots

Imagine a giant slot machine with 12 reels and each reel has 2048 BIP39 mnemonic words. Each time you spin you generate a new mnemonic phrase. The resulting first address generated from the mnemonic is checked for a balance or activity. If you "find" a balance you "win".

Kinda along the lines of directory.io but different.

Live demo: https://coinables.github.io/mnemonic-slots/

It could be a good slot game if you funded a thousand addresses yourself, with different amounts, and then, knowing the seed phrases, arranged the game so that those with the biggest amounts were hardest to find. For example, to win $10 one needs to find 2 mnemonic words from the corresponding mnemonic phrase, and to win $200 - 3 words, and so on(the number of words in this example is completely arbitrary, but I'm sure you can figure out the right accordance).

There's a lot of hype surrounding Bitcoin now, so a game like this could really become popular. But in the form it is proposed in the OP it is like trying to have fun with stealing. Not good.
legendary
Activity: 3346
Merit: 3125
April 29, 2021, 10:30:28 AM
#34
It would be nice if we can play with more than one combination, lets say we test 100 combinations on each click, that would give to the users a better chance.

This idea comes from the batch bets verifier i made for a casino the past year, at the end I gave the option to the users to decide how many bets they want with one click, and it worked fast even for 1,000 bets. It takes like 10 seconds to make the calc, and if you want to test 100,000 bets it could do it, but that takes some minutes to load.
legendary
Activity: 3542
Merit: 1965
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
April 26, 2021, 02:46:12 AM
#33
The problem with this idea is this :

Slots are designed to "reward" players on a regular interval to keep people wagering. Most casinos only profit from the wagering, so they will get Slots from third party providers that will draw in a crowd that will wager for hours on end.

People playing this Slot will quickly get bored, because they are not going to win anything for months, so casinos will not be interested in hosting this game.  Roll Eyes

Most people play Slots for the entertainment value and for possible big jackpots, so Slot providers add features like Free Spins and bonuses to keep it interesting. (How will you keep people interested to play this game?)
jr. member
Activity: 102
Merit: 5
GameBit - The Network
April 23, 2021, 12:39:02 PM
#32
This idea is good. But its not that funny, i have to agree. Maybe you can add something like a "history" to see who has won last. It reminds me to Lotto. Its a tipping game where its possible to win a large amount of money if you have tipped for the right combinations of numbers and letters. Its legally known, that lotto costs money for people to play it
The thing is that you can never "win" this thing ever. And adding a "history" would require storage and dedicated hosting which I don't think there is any way you could do it using github pages. On top of that turning this to something that starts looking more like a lottery and involving tips is going to break a bunch of github terms.

Or even if you try it hard or very often thats true. People will see that other players win in the history box so they would continue to play. At least it would take some database entries for that to realise it and there needs to be a login page with the fitting functions implemented. Isnt it possible to host it on pages like gitlab or on private storages? Anyhow, i like the idea of an own server for experimenting
legendary
Activity: 3472
Merit: 10611
April 22, 2021, 11:15:08 PM
#31
This idea is good. But its not that funny, i have to agree. Maybe you can add something like a "history" to see who has won last. It reminds me to Lotto. Its a tipping game where its possible to win a large amount of money if you have tipped for the right combinations of numbers and letters. Its legally known, that lotto costs money for people to play it
The thing is that you can never "win" this thing ever. And adding a "history" would require storage and dedicated hosting which I don't think there is any way you could do it using github pages. On top of that turning this to something that starts looking more like a lottery and involving tips is going to break a bunch of github terms.
jr. member
Activity: 102
Merit: 5
GameBit - The Network
April 22, 2021, 05:02:34 PM
#30
This idea is good. But its not that funny, i have to agree. Maybe you can add something like a "history" to see who has won last. It reminds me to Lotto. Its a tipping game where its possible to win a large amount of money if you have tipped for the right combinations of numbers and letters. Its legally known, that lotto costs money for people to play it
full member
Activity: 1078
Merit: 111
April 13, 2021, 06:24:22 PM
#29
So I was thinking... https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56156990

Mnemonic Slots

Imagine a giant slot machine with 12 reels and each reel has 2048 BIP39 mnemonic words. Each time you spin you generate a new mnemonic phrase. The resulting first address generated from the mnemonic is checked for a balance or activity. If you "find" a balance you "win".

Kinda along the lines of directory.io but different.

Live demo: https://coinables.github.io/mnemonic-slots/
the website looks good. did you make it up to make people think and learn about bitcoin security?
I agree with most of people here.  it's actually pointless to tell others about that.
most of them only want to know how to make money with bitcoin.
hahahaha let them try  Grin Grin Grin Grin


hahahaha.... good memes. I laughed reading this  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
legendary
Activity: 3472
Merit: 10611
April 03, 2021, 10:01:56 PM
#28
I know it's not the solution, but I think everyone should use the extra word in their seed to prevent even the slightest chance that anyone will ever find your seed.
If it were possible to brute force or find a mnemonic of someone with balance in it then it would have also been possible to find a random mnemonic that generates the same address with balance that was derived using the seed + extension words.
legendary
Activity: 3234
Merit: 5637
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April 03, 2021, 08:01:58 AM
#27
Yes, we both know no one is going to find a match, but I take major issue with the way things are worded and the implication that if you do stumble across a collision then you have somehow "won" and it is morally and ethically fine to just help yourself to the funds within.

I am surprised I am the only one with an issue here.

We all agree that the chances are extremely slim that someone will find a seed behind someone's coins, but also that it would not be moral or ethical (perhaps even legally) for someone to steal someone's coins in this way. Maybe the whole thing should have been geared towards showing how safe Bitcoin really is in technical terms, without that part of how to claim win in case a miracle happens, and someone really stumbles upon something that isn’t its property.

I know it's not the solution, but I think everyone should use the extra word in their seed to prevent even the slightest chance that anyone will ever find your seed.
newbie
Activity: 26
Merit: 0
April 02, 2021, 12:21:51 AM
#26
wrote a simple program.
7 currencies can be searched.
maybe someone will be interested
https://github.com/Noname400/mnemonic-colider
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1186
April 01, 2021, 08:26:55 PM
#25
This is the worst thing I read today.   Stop trying to steal and build something useful or maybe , your server goes  blank...

Myself and directory.io will not stop until every last bitcoin is stolen. Also it's a 100% client-side driven app that runs entirely in the browser, there is no server -- we are unstoppable.
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1001
Fucker of "the system"
April 01, 2021, 09:01:00 AM
#24
This is the worst thing I read today.   Stop trying to steal and build something useful or maybe , your server goes  blank...
legendary
Activity: 2870
Merit: 7490
Crypto Swap Exchange
March 20, 2021, 07:29:09 AM
#23
Is there a way to do this using your CPU/GPU that would be faster than the ~6 seconds that the website takes?

1. Convert the code to another programming language which allow high performance and GPU usage (such as C++).
2. Search similar tool which run on your computer rather than on your browser.

P.S. Read https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-protocol-hack-joke if you're thinking to steal Bitcoin.
jr. member
Activity: 284
Merit: 3
March 20, 2021, 06:56:32 AM
#22
Is there a way to do this using your CPU/GPU that would be faster than the ~6 seconds that the website takes?
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1186
January 26, 2021, 01:39:59 PM
#21
It's the same as directory.io, no one will steal any coins from this tool. If you're offended by a joke you need to relax, or learn more about big numbers and why 1 attempt every ~6 seconds that this site provides would take longer than the life of the universe to possibly find a collision. If you're still worried, migrate to multisig.

Regarding checksum question, the spins produce validate bip39 checksums.

legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
January 26, 2021, 09:30:29 AM
#20
Emphasis mine. Also the quote from your site: "How do I redeem my funds if I win?". I take major issue with this wording. You are not winning a prize which has been offered up willingly. It is not a competition, and the funds are not yours to redeem. It is stealing.
When you put it like this, it sounds bad indeed.

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if you do stumble across a collision then you have somehow "won" and it is morally and ethically fine to just help yourself to the funds within.
If anyone can find my private key, I assume they'll steal my funds. And even if they don't, someone else will do it when they find my keys. None of this matters as long as you keep your keys secure.
Of course it's morally and ethically wrong, but so are many other things. That's why I lock my bicycle, because even if the first people who find it won't take it, someone will!
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18748
January 26, 2021, 08:42:33 AM
#19
Anytime you create a BIP39 wallet, with any software, you might find someone else's coins.
Yes, but wallets don't advertise themselves as tools to steal other people's coins.

The likelihood of getting a winning spin versus stumbling across them randomly while creating a new wallet are both practically zero %.
Emphasis mine. Also the quote from your site: "How do I redeem my funds if I win?". I take major issue with this wording. You are not winning a prize which has been offered up willingly. It is not a competition, and the funds are not yours to redeem. It is stealing.

Yes, we both know no one is going to find a match, but I take major issue with the way things are worded and the implication that if you do stumble across a collision then you have somehow "won" and it is morally and ethically fine to just help yourself to the funds within.

I am surprised I am the only one with an issue here.
legendary
Activity: 3696
Merit: 2219
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January 26, 2021, 06:53:08 AM
#18
My mobile phone's version of TOR (9.5.4) seems to work better than the version on my Tablet (10.something).

I was just wondering how "random" are the words selected? And, (newbie question here) I thought the last two or three words were a check-sum to verify the previous words, is this not the case?
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
January 26, 2021, 06:37:38 AM
#17
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
January 26, 2021, 06:31:14 AM
#16
But the chances of finding, as on other similar sites, are almost zero. But there is a chance Smiley
You're much more likely to guess credit card number. And if it doesn't have to be mine, it's much easier. With 2.8 billion credit cards in use and only 16 digits per number, you'll find on average 1 valid number for every 3,571,429 combinations you try. I made* you the first batch of 3,571,429 random 16 digit numbers Wink

* Give it 40 minutes to complete.
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