Mnemonic words Known and target address known but order missing - Please help

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Quote from: pjkgijp on October 13, 2024, 05:47:30 AM

Yes I did use BTCRecover and followed all the replies but no luck.
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If none of these characters (*<>) are present, The seed is in the correct order and I can get the keys. Does anyone know what type of word mixing is done here?

It's hard to get the picture of the issue with those information but if it's the words' arrangement you're asking:
The correct order relies on the "checksum" at the end of the bit-equivalent form of the mnemonic seed.
Here are the specs: github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039

But since we're talking about an existing mnemonic phrase here, just looking for combinations with a correct checksum is not enough
as it will likely produce valid but totally different mnemonic seed at approximate chance based from the checksum bit's size and the number of given words.
What BTCRecover does is to check a candidate valid combination if it will be able derive the given address/pubKey/xpub with the common or specified derivation paths.

Quote from: pjkgijp on October 13, 2024, 05:47:30 AM

I also want to clarify that some mnemonics were written between "<" and ">" characters or have a "*" before it.
If they do, BTCRecover says the words are in incorrect order.

Just don't include those to your BTCRecover "token file" since those aren't in BIP39's word list: github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/bip-0039-wordlists.md

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I use 24 words.

No help. So what you wanna carry bag or what? I switch to youtube.

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Yes I did use BTCRecover and followed all the replies but no luck.

I also want to clarify that some mnemonics were written between "<" and ">" characters or have a "*" before it.
If they do, BTCRecover says the words are in incorrect order.

If none of these characters (*<>) are present, The seed is in the correct order and I can get the keys. Does anyone know what type of word mixing is done here?

Thanks!

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Quote from: pjkgijp on October 12, 2024, 12:07:27 PM

Some seeds I was able to recover return an invalid checksum.

First of all, since you've posted this here, have you used BTCRecover's seedrecover.py and followed the replies to recover those mnemonic seed?
AFAIK, BTCRecover wont output in those formats.

If not, it's off-topic and you should create a new topic telling how you recovered those.
And provide more information like which software and commands you've used so people can paint a better picture of the situation.

Quote from: BitMaxz on October 12, 2024, 07:07:22 PM

So I think that is BIP39 and the error checksum invalid is the error come from Electrum if you paste a BIP39 seed with some extra character or if its not recognized as seed this error will come up.

Electrum will display "Unknown BIP39 Wordlist".

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Quote from: Cricktor on October 12, 2024, 06:09:20 PM

Which software do you use to verify the checksum? Do we speak here of the BIP39 or Electrum or which checksum exactly?
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I don't think it's Electrum since the standard way to create wallet on Electrum only generates 12 words phrase unless you generated it through command/console to generate 24 words seed that is valid as electrum seed.

So I think that is BIP39 and the error checksum invalid is the error come from Electrum if you paste a BIP39 seed with some extra character or if its not recognized as seed this error will come up.

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Quote from: pjkgijp on October 12, 2024, 12:07:27 PM

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Which software do you use to verify the checksum? Do we speak here of the BIP39 or Electrum or which checksum exactly?

I can only guess, that the words in direct contact to the "special characters" like <>, * are not properly recognised as the word they are. Such special characters should not be part of an e.g. BIP39 recovery words backup.

Mnemonic recovery words, here BIP39 in particular, represent the following:
12 recovery words encode a stream of 128 random entropy bits (here named stream128) followed by 4 bits of SHA256(stream128). This stream of 132bits is split in twelve 11-bit chunks and every of it represents an index of the BIP39 wordlist's words.
24 recovery words encode a stream of 256 random entropy bits (here named stream256) followed by 8 bits of SHA256(stream256). This stream of 264bits is split in twentyfour 11-bit chunks and every of it represents an index of the BIP39 wordlist's words.

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Some seeds I was able to recover return an invalid checksum.

I have a seeds written between a lesser than an greather than sign. There is something wrong with these.

Example records:

"" gives checksum error
"*" gives checksum error
"*word1 word2 ... word24" gives checksum error
"word1 word2 ... word24" is fine.

Does anyone know why?

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If you're not an experienced recoverer and fluent with btcrecover why don't wannabee recover "experts" first verify their procedure and setup by using a test case where the solution is known. Take a valid 12-word BIP39 mnemonic recovery seed and a known address of known derivation path, mix the words somewhat arbitrarily and try to find the solution you already know! It's well invested time and energy.

If you can't find the solution for such a test case, you very likely won't find a real word's sequence recovery solution.

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Quote from: hellishgoblin234 on March 27, 2024, 09:55:12 AM

Perhaps I'm being too harsh too fast, but I call this request for help bullshit, there is no known 12 seed words here. Just greed and misconceptions.

Yeah, first he mentioned "client of his friend", but later "his client".
It's as if he's somehow offering a recovery service while not knowing how to do the job he's offering, posted this in the guise of helping a friend.

What went wrong is he didn't even authenticated his client's claims through the ridiculous story alone, if it's legitimate, it would've been arranged by now even with CPU.

But the good thing is: this thread can be used as reference in case someone has misarranged 12-word mnemonic seed.

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Perhaps I'm being too harsh too fast, but I call this request for help bullshit, there is no known 12 seed words here. Just greed and misconceptions.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 30, 2023, 04:28:42 AM

bc1qinal276kkvrkn36a33xvly1f89spcdkp012zsz has 42 characters.

Seems like this is a result of an image-to-text tool, the correct address should be "bc1qlmal276kkvrkn36m33xvlylfgqspcdkp0l2zsz" which is valid.
Blockexplorer link: blockstream.info/address/bc1qlmal276kkvrkn36m33xvlylfgqspcdkp0l2zsz

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 30, 2023, 04:28:42 AM

bc1qinal276kkvrkn36a33xvly1f89spcd has 34 characters.

I am not sure he has a good address

If it's the usual Witness v0 bech32 address, it should be 42 characters unless it's p2wsh.

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bc1qinal276kkvrkn36a33xvly1f89spcdkp012zsz has 42 characters.

bc1qinal276kkvrkn36a33xvly1f89spcd has 34 characters.

I am not sure he has a good address

are not bc1 34 characters long ?

his image seems to show a 42 character address. btw when I looked these up neither one the 42 or shorter 34 show as a real address.

https://imgur.com/a/Iv5tLsM

I did a screen shot and moved it to talk img it looks like he has a bad address to me

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Quote from: iconbtcx on December 30, 2023, 01:45:44 AM

i think there might be possibility that the guy wanted to use simple blockchain wallet instead of using complex hardware wallets, and the security of blockchain also very good.

None of this makes sense. Blockchain's web wallet has terrible security, and I've seen countless topics of people who can't access their funds anymore. Hardware wallets aren't complicated at all.

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hai guys,
in 2021 is the only transaction where there is an incoming of 2500 btc blockchain is most tursted since 2010 when bitcoin is officially launched and easy to store coins, instead of complex hardware wallets, i think there might be possibility that the guy wanted to use simple blockchain wallet instead of using complex hardware wallets, and the security of blockchain also very good.
If he is a techie then he might be used wallets like armory, or some other strong methods to store his coins. i am thinking about the path option that i gave as some one suggested in this forum it might be any where with clinet_id like m/84/0/0 or m/84/0/1/0 i want to give a try without out the option bip-32-path in cmd for seedrecovery.
Thank you

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Quote from: nc50lc on December 29, 2023, 12:55:14 AM

If you want to search multiple paths, specify those paths in "/btcrecover-1.12.0/derivationpath-lists/BTC.txt" (comment-out the other default paths) or provide multiple paths in --bip32-path arg.

Change this BTC.txt file to something along the lines of this:

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m/84'/0'/0'/1
m/84'/0'/1'/0
m/84'/0'/1'/1
m/84'/0'/2'/0
m/84'/0'/2'/1

Keep going with as many additional account numbers as you want, checking the receiving and change paths for each one. Each additional path you add will prolong your search time, however. Then run the same command again, but leave out the --bip32-path argument. Since you are specifiying --wallet-type BIP39, btcrecover will check all the paths you specify in the BTC.txt file. You might also want to drop the --addr-limit to a smaller number to speed things up a bit.

I agree with Loyce though, this sounds like nonsense.

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Quote from: iconbtcx on December 28, 2023, 10:04:34 PM

now i am doubting the genuineness of project i got from my client
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My client said its a blockchain wallet

Who keeps a hundred million bucks in a web wallet?

Quote from: iconbtcx on December 23, 2023, 11:39:46 PM

he has the 12 words mnemonics but when he is trying to restore the wallet through blockchain its showing error invalid bip39 checksum

Who enters the seed words to his $100M on a website?

I find this very hard to believe.

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Quote from: iconbtcx on December 28, 2023, 10:04:34 PM

I really appreciate your time and effort to help me i checked the first 1000 address using seedrecover with bip-32 path m/84/0/0 but i found nothing,

The path should be "m/84'/0'/0'/0" but your screenshot shows that the correct path is used anyways.

Quote from: iconbtcx on December 28, 2023, 10:04:34 PM

My client said its a blockchain wallet

Blockchain online wallet is known to enable the user to create additional "wallets" under the same wallet_id.
The subsequent wallets are derived with a different path at the "account_index".

For example: If the address is from your client's second wallet, the path that should be given to seedrecover is "m/84'/0'/1'/0";
for the third Bitcoin wallet that he created; "m/84'/0'/2'/0", and so on.

And --bip32-path is specifically pointing to the external path which are your receiving addresses,
Blockchain is using change addresses although its not displayed in the 'Wallets & Addresses' page.
So it's worth searching the internal paths as well, which is: "m/84'/0'/0'/1" for the first account_index's internal_chain.

If you want to search multiple paths, specify those paths in "/btcrecover-1.12.0/derivationpath-lists/BTC.txt" (comment-out the other default paths) or provide multiple paths in --bip32-path arg.

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Hello friends,
I really appreciate your time and effort to help me i checked the first 1000 address using seedrecover with bip-32 path m/84/0/0 but i found nothing, now i am doubting the genuineness of project i got from my client
https://imgur.com/a/Iv5tLsM I am sorry friends if i had disappointed you, i should have surely shared something to all if had been able to crack it. If have any genuine projects of recovery please let me know i have 26 GPUS and various softwares and programns for cracking, My client said its a blockchain wallet
Thank you
U Kosal Ram

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Quote from: iconbtcx on December 26, 2023, 09:09:28 PM

Even though i have drivers and everything updated but its showing 0 p/s but i can hear gpus started whirling shall i have to wait.

Since you're using Windows, check your Task manager and go to "Performance" tab to see if your GPUs are being used.
But that doesn't tell if seedrecover is actually working behind that 0P/s.

Also, it may be related to the automatically set --opencl-workgroup-size of 51200;
The correct size for a 12-word BIP39 seed should be 16 times your GPU's max work group size that can be checked in --opencl-info.

Quote from: iconbtcx on December 26, 2023, 05:39:22 AM

-snip- and please guide me how to enable multiple gpus using --opencl-devices ID1 ID2 like that with an example i have four gpus

Its default is already set to "all" so all devices are being used if all those 4 are NVIDIA GPUs under platform: 0

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Thanks guys for your support,
Even though i have drivers and everything updated but its showing 0 p/s but i can hear gpus started whirling shall i have to wait.
Thank you

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