Topic: MOD ABUSING THE TRUST RATING SYSTEM IN GMAXWELL (Read 3104 times)

Words can't describe how stupid this man is.
'nuff said

What a joke you are.

Oooops, I guess your lawyer will be pissed you broke your word, ignored his advice and posted. Maybe you better call Sol? 

LULZ @ fire000.....far too many mind altering drugs for you 

Returned the neg-rep with interest - best regards to s0br & his lying, cheating, scamming, faking, shill filled BAN pool.

Take NOTE of the BOLD section the launch of legal action is re abuse threats of violence etc they have been throwing around at other members of this forum not only related to myself or the BAN pool also to do with the parts highlighted IN the comment left be MAXWELL which are bot baseless and false .   But also other pools and users and business etc....  BY the mod in question under fake ids and also the actions of a few P2 users    I can not comment much more on this at the moment

Also it would be on him to prove "I think it is undisputed that the negative trust does damage to your reputation. He would also not dispute that it has done you financial harm as you have lost your ability to scam (for the most part). The remaining question is to determine if his statement is untrue. "

Again take note of the BOLD section there is no way for him to prove this as I have never scammed ANYONE or even done a trade here on this forum etc of this is down outright slender which can be prove quite easy from my side BUT he would NOT be able to disprove

AS put earlier in this thread GMAXWELL IS ALSO USING FAKE IDS to attack other pools,users and making downright false claims left right and centre WHICH we can prove there a very strong against this mod and his actions and the day coming where himself and a few of the others that having been carrying out these action are in for a rude wake up call

fire000; PLZ STOP SCAMMING!

Well at least you still have your dignity (sarcasm).

This statement takes away any credibility to your claim. I have quoted the negative trust that he gave you below (I added the bold):
Your most likely claim would be that he is slandering you by leaving this negative trust. In order to prove a slander case you would need to prove that what he said did damage to your reputation, caused you financial harm and is untrue.

I think it is undisputed that the negative trust does damage to your reputation. He would also not dispute that it has done you financial harm as you have lost your ability to scam (for the most part). The remaining question is to determine if his statement is untrue.

This leaves only one part for you to prove, the question of is his statement true. I bolded the fact that he says that he does not trust you. So in order for you to have a valid slander case against him you would need to prove that he does in fact trust you. Are you able to prove this? 

I for one await the outcome as I believe you are full of BS. How many others have claimed legal action in the past 3 months alone and then silence? Proof is going to be very hard to obtain and costly to even try.
Good luck though, I hope you find a cure for your butt hurt!

Just an update on this thread the matter is in the hands of lawyers as Gmaxwell has chosen to not try to resolve the matter and also explain to us all why he been abusing other members on this forum with countless FAKE IDS etc....    The lawyer that has looked close at the matter and all the posts etc and the many fine examples of this MOD actions on this forum in these FAKE IDS that can be linked together quite clearly is looking froward to going this MOD and this forum...

Have a nice day this is the last time I will be making a comment re this matter as it NOW in the hands of lawyers and legal action is under way Against the MOD in question as well as a number of P2 users.

Also a tip to the others in this thread trying to justify the actions of the MOD in question YOU MAY WANT to do some research before posting any further on the matter as a friendly tip....    As it been all one way traffic from the MOD and the P2 users and has been for months on countless posts and the abuse threats of violence etc they have been throwing around at other members of this forum not only related to myself or the BAN pool.   But also other pools and users and business etc....  

If you feel that gmaxwell left you negative trust because he is trying to "protect" bitcoin then say so and provide evidence. Generally speaking, people will trust him because of his past actions, however trust is not something that cannot be taken away (the same is true for "real life").

The fact is that he does have a very good point as to why he does not trust you. The fact that you have "red" trust does not affect your ability to trade with other members, it only affects your ability to attempt to scam.

If you read above you will see a very good explanation from SaltySpitoon as to how the trust system works in a non-technical way. I would suggest that you read his post.

If you want to have your negative trust removed, you should change how you act to act in a more trust worthy way, once you do that I would suggest trying to get in contact with the person who left you negative trust (in this case is gmaxwell) to see if they are wiling to remove it.

I posted that in an effort to get you to realize he is not the type of person prone to poor decisions or an inappropriate thought process. He's a pretty calculated individual, and I have full confidence he wouldn't drop negative trust on a whim. It was deserved in some manner.

Actually, I'm going to take this opportunity to really explain how the trust system works. First off the number next to your trust is completely insignificant. The red letters that say "warning trade with caution" are also insignificant, what actually matters is 1) The feedback you have 2) The source of the feedback 3) The amounts traded

So I'm going to use some examples from my own trust list, as I actually have a variety of feedback both positive and negative that helps to explain what I'm talking about. One's "Trusted/Untrusted" feedback is completely changeable. Most people that haven't set their own trust lists go by the default trust list, that is Theymos' controlled central trust list. But in reality, if anyone cares enough to change it, you can set your own trust, so you don't see the Default Trust list as a trusted source, for my example I do.

This is from my "trusted" feedback. If you use the default trustlist, you will see these references as "trusted" if you don't use default trust, you could see me as having no "trusted" feedback, in which case it is all "untrusted"



This is what contributes to any trust number shown next to my name. Now, I personally see those people as "trusted" because I have the Default Trust list registered. I also see those people trusted by Tecshare, Ryland, and Mush because I trust those three people thoroughly, and I trust their opinions on who is trustworthy.



This is part of my "untrusted" feedback



These people aren't trusted by default trust, but that doesn't mean that before you trade with someone you shouldn't read all of someone's trust. As you notice, I have some negative feedback, so what a responsible trader would do, is read into those claims as well to judge for themselves their validity. From there you can do some digging and find out that I gave Inaba negative trust for doing an experiment where he paid people to give people negative trust. While that isn't any sort of offense, since the feedback system is unmoderated, I was able to voice my opinion on his trust. As shown below



Note, I never did a trade with Inaba, but I found what he was doing as untrustworthy in character. So in my feedback that I left for him, Risked Bitcoins is 0, as I was never at any risk of losing coins, I wrote my reason, and included a reference link that someone who is interested can view. However! Inaba actually used the trust system correctly leaving me similar feedback, saying that I was interfering with his experiment, he risked no bitcoins with me, etc.

another example is Serotin, we both gave each other negative trust. Again I never traded with them, but I explained my concerns, risked BTC is 0, included a link, so anyone trading with Serotin can read my feedback, follow the reference link, and judge the validity of my claim for themselves.



The feedback that I got in response from Serotin shows how one "abuses" the trust system. Note the 10,000 BTC risked, they are more than welcome to post an opposition to my feedback explaining their point, however there was never a circumstance where 10,000 BTC was risked. Again, nothing anyone can do about that, however it does destroy their credibility, which is what I'll explain next.



NOW! If I was someone else deciding whether or not to trust my feedback, I would first judge the validity of the people posting the feedback. If you have never heard of anyone that has left me feedback, even if I had +1000 feedback its no good to you. Kluge for example has been a valuable part of the community for a long time, so chances are more people will value his feedback over someone else's, however if you have known Inaba for a long while, and you trust his feedback, your perception of my trust changes. Thats what drives the forums feedback system. There is no such thing as a trust system. No amount of feedback magically makes me trustworthy, what makes someone trustworthy is the amount of positive feedback that one has gathered from people that a potential trading partner trusts. I have not personally traded with a lot of people on the forum's default trust list, so their feedback doesn't mean much to me, even if you have a + or - 1000 next to your trust score. Another factor to consider are the amounts traded. If I have 100 positive feedback for 1 BTC trades, that doesn't magically mean you can trust me with 100 BTC, you can do your own calculations as to what my trust is worth (as trust does have a financial value)

I'm not upset in the slightest about any negative feedback I have against my profile, because 5 minutes of searching, and the average reasonable person will side with me in the disputes I've had. If someone decides not to trust me because of any of the negative feedback I have, oh well, thats on them. So how do you handle feedback against you that you see as wrongful? You explain on the other person's trust why they are wrong, and if you are right, people will trust that person less, and trust your opinion more. If people don't trust their feedback, their feedback against you is worthless.

So that is how you win your fight. If you are right, you reasonably explain why you are right. If you are correct, people will value GMaxwell's opinion less, and then his feedback against you is irrelevant red letters and negative numbers or not.

I think you need to include a warning with your posts, I don't have epilepsy but I may now after reading all of this. I answered your question quite a while ago as to whether GMaxwell was using the trust system correctly, if you would like clarification I'd be happy to help, but if you aren't willing to accept my clarification, oh well. Build your own forum and your own trust system. But please, stop with the caps, bold, and text base emotes?

Anyway, the trust system is completely unmoderated, Gmaxwell could have given you negative rep for being a lizard overlord, and "the forum" would have no recourse, you may just have been able to get more public support to pressure him to remove it if he was using the trust system incorrectly.

That is worst that he should NOT backing these users attacks on another pool ESP when their are coming from P2 users....    I do not gave a rats if he the POPE or the KING etc   and should be leading by example to stamp out these types of users etc IT a really good look that a bitcoin dev is attacking other members on this forum under fake IDS and other pools when he a dev of the coin that these pools are mining and goes against the core mission statement of the BTC major bodies Very good look NOT

Time ticking GMAXWELL

1. gmaxwell is not just a mod here, he is a core dev of the bitcoin protocol.
2. it's a trust system, not a feedback system

PS the 1st post in this thread was an attempt to sort this mess out with the user in question in GMAXWELL (a mod)(user that left the feedback) in PM  but you can see the reply he gave...    MR high and mighty that is protecting a number of users that have been for months down outright attacking other members on this forum.....

There is a example of the fine work above by these users and what step were taken and what the MODS have done to this point....   PS this is only a couple of the lovely posts we have been coping from a group of P2 pool users and really

cause I hate to say the MOD trust rating is so far from the truth it not funny "  This user has been attacking people for posting honest concerns about what appears to be a pretty obvious scam; as well as disrupting conversations with offtopic ranting. He seems to be very unreliable. I'm not sure if it's confusion, trolling, or what. But I consider them untrustworthy."  PS lol at the honest concerns and scam part there that much proof posted on the thread in question to shoot it down as a lot of normal non pool related members are seeing and posting and commenting about when they follow the trail re these trolls in really and co can not help dumb to be also been getting attacked personal by this group of members in question

Which I will gave the MOD 24 hrs to research or I will start dropping the chain of events with links etc and everyone will see 1st hand who been attack who here and which way the traffic has been coming from....    Then the MOD/MODS can try to explain to everyone why a) THE NEG RATING WAS left out of sprite nothing more and b) why these group of members have NOT been dealt with as they should of months ago when they got the countless reports made against them by the BAN members and ADMIN and why they have left these few users to attack other members on this forum with threats eg

Now it up to the MOD in question on how far we go with this all and how MUCH is put out in the open on you or should we call you REALLY there gmaxwell   your call on how deep we go into this all to get these BS rating reversed   As I have said I will drop mine when the situation is corrected and these members are finally dealt with as they should of been back in AUG


The MOD in gmaxwell made the choose to do what he has NOW it up to him if he removes the rating or we AIR the short comings in his whole rating and how MEMBERS OF BAN have contacted him and other MODS to deal with a few members HIS answer was to turn a blind eye to the actions of these P2 users and really etc.....  

And Pat do not play MR innocence  in  this BS as your played a part in this whole mess from day one and are as guilty as really of the personal attacks on myself and other members of this forum and is quite easy to follow the trail of posts to see what happens and the link there

PS FOR THE MODS I LOVE THE DOUBLE STANDARDS HERE on moving or locking threads if one attacks the P2 it locked straight up YET one attacks BAN as here it left Smiley    GOT to love the MOD that behind the FAKE id in really Smiley   PS there enough proof around the place to link the MOD to the really ID if one chooses to look  Wink AND also the actions of this mod and what he been doing with the threads re the P2 pool etc vs the BAN ones...   GOOD LOOK THAT A MOD IS HIDING BEHIND A FAKE ID AND ATTACKING POOLS MAKING PERSONAL THREATS AGAINST OTHER USERS ETC WITH OUT HAVING THE BALLS TO DO IT IN THEIR OWN ID

Also the MOD I am referring to may also want to think about the UN charter of human rights before they going posting things on users in future and deal with all parties NOT ONE as one does have the right to defend Just in case you need it the UN basic human right charter can be found here it may pay to read it sometime as everyone has the right to defend they have the right to free speech they have the right to not cope abuse threats etc eg the 2 examples that were highlighted above of many that REALLY and OTHERS  have dished out for months to a few BAN pool members and admin BUT you as an MOD have supported for months quite happily and even jumped on the bandwagon NOW There is that many examples of P2 pool users attacking myself and other BAN members for months all we DONE in each and every case is defend our self's NOT the other WAY around as you claim in your BS trust RATING there enough proof all over this forum of this....    

Just in case you need it the UN basic human right charter


http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

just a quote from the preamble of the long doc linked above.....

"PREAMBLE

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, "


You may want to think about this the next time you try to tell someone to f off or threaten them etc as you have in this forum a few times to people replying to you....    They also have the right to defend themselves etc.....     Maybe think long and hard there about what this DOC is and what power it carrys with it the next time countless users report posts of abuse and threats and act on them and not turn a blind eye etc and the UN charter basically is people rights in most country's and laws are written of it  

PS to this part of the above post by the mod in question with the fake account attacking the BAN pool I would be very carefully what you claim has happen here in the past re all this and ya BS claims.....     As there countless BAN members that can shoot ya down I will start be saying think long and hard about this part of your post

"(after encountering him crap-flooding random unrelated threads just to harass people who raised an alarm on this stuff."  AS countless BAN members would have records of reporting posts of really and others eg cath etc when they 1st started on the ban pool back in AUG and you doing nothing re these reports you are the one that BASICALLY has said to these USERS go for it cause as MUCH TROUBLE AS YOU CAN so I would be very carefully what you claim etc as I have said here it not hard to link YOU to THE FAKE accounts and also your lack of respond to the issues when they should of been dealt with months ago Smiley   SO you may want to go back through each and every report you have got from any BAN members as you will FIND the BAN members reported a number of these users on countless times very early in the piece well before we had to turn to the above methods which you are basically saying look if it a BAN members we will attack them BUT if it A MOD OR P2 user we going to turn a blind eye TOO there is that many examples and time stamps all over the forum that quite clearly show this....   AND squash your BS CLAIMS of "This user has been attacking people for posting honest concerns about what appears to be a pretty obvious scam; as well as disrupting conversations with offtopic ranting. He seems to be very unreliable. I'm not sure if it's confusion, trolling, or what. But I consider them untrustworthy."  As it been the other way around....  

SO I would be VERY carefully on your claims in future as IF need be I will dump things TO HAVE YOU REMOVED AS A MOD as there enough proof to take ya out and your lack of actions and the hiding behind FAKE IDS and protecting these users in question it either what apply for one group users apply for others or it does not apply at ALL. NOT it apply's for some and NOT others as has been happening for months NOW  Smiley  

HAVE A NICE DAY and I have noticed the mod in question has been on line BUT ducking for cover and staying right away the 2 public threads wonder why Smiley Smiley  

I see 2 of the 4 are here now just need the mod that started this BS to join us and resolve this  Ps pat you were hit with the neg feedback based on the clear link to both the MOD and really as is highlighted in the BS threads of REALLY and a number of times have stirred the pot in a few posts as a feeder to this trolling account of REALLYS till this is sorted and the member really is dealt with as he should of been dealt with in AUG the neg stays as enough is enough NOW it the MODS in question on how far was go here as his already highlight the MOD in question shortcomings on dealing with an issue dating back to AUG,,,,



AND there no way I am wearing this neg feedback as the bystander in all this so I suggest really and pat you look very close at every post you have made since AUG and the way which way the traffic been going... And the mod in question looks very hard at the countless reporting of these members by other members of the forum to have a blind eye turned to it....    

just a example of some of the fine work that was reported a number of times to the mods by different members of this forum

Just one example of your fine work "

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Man, I'm really sorry he's dragged you into his tiny little world.  All I can say is contact a moderator. The guy is a complete waste of space, Just do what everyone else does & try to ignore him, use the button.

Failing that, smash his teeth in  Smiley Wink Chin up lad, I hope he hasn't put you off Bitcoin or miners, the majority of us are actually OK, I promise  Wink"



PS A NUMBER OF US REPORTED THIS FINE EXAMPLE OF YOUR HANDY WORK THERE REALLY AND WELL the mods left it there and we NOW KNOW WHY Smiley   This is just one of the many fine examples of your down outright personal attacks against BAN members and it admin which you started way back in aug and still going with them now change the record as it so old it not funny Smiley

The MODS could of put a stop to the BS months ago in the BAN pool thread BUT HAVE CHOSEN TO TURN A BLIND EYE TO IT TO THIS POINT rather than deal with it when it was 1st report countless times by many ban members but it appears the MODS SUPPORT THIS TYPE OF BEHAVING IN THIS FORUM AS LONG AS IT NOT IN A P2 THREAD OR TOPIC by it users and even DISH out BS ratings on users defending themself against these actions of this member in question I WONDER WHY a quick look at the MOD ID and a couple of the fake ids it NOT hard to spot  Wink


To your last effort "Tip Of The Day: The next time someone tells you to f*ck off of a thread - you really should. Really."

LMAO it a free country where I live everyone has a right to free speech and an option if you do not like that then move on BUT IT IS A HUMAN RIGHT so you can not tell NO ONE " The next time someone tells you to f*ck off of a thread - you really should. Really."  As everyone is allowed a voice....  Just yet another example of your fine work .....    Also one has the right to post in this forum if they choose with out downright threats been made against them as you have done a number of times against myself and other members of BAN....   Which there is many example of your handy work of both personal threats and threats of violence against people.....

Again " it a free country where I live everyone has a right to free speech and an option if you do not like that then move on BUT IT IS A HUMAN RIGHT so you can not tell NO ONE"

It also up to you to prove your FUD claims NOT the BAN POOL NOR IT OWNER as it innocence to proven guilty..   AS of yet you have not dropped one bit of prove anywhere that can not be shoot down as FUD on your part by many different users YET you keep going on with ya FUD attacks etc...   IF you were so sure of your self you would of taken the pool ops offer up that he made about 6-8 weeks ago to go see a lawyer and collected a size-able  bounty for it have you taken this offer up Huh?   NO  I think that says it all and what this is on your part change the record as it growing OLD NOW Smiley  



Have a nice day Smiley  


And to really lmao at this post "Now they are dragging innocent members & forum moderators into a childish handbag brawl...... Roll Eyes"  they been there by your side since day 1 stirring things up there enough proof around the place to show a clear link between yourself and PAT

Well, unsurprisingly this nut-job has neg'd me too.....

He is a deranged BitcoinAffiliateNetworks shill who is upset about his pool being caught out, simple as that. I'm not sure if the account is actually one of ThePhwners or s0brs aliases, but he was trolling many pool threads on behalf of BAN long before I opened the (still unanswered, but proven anyway) scam accusation, a simple look at his previous posts will reveal this. He does seem to have a soft spot for anyone who uses p2pool (which I don't, currently), even opening a scam accusation against users of the p2pool system.......

I have had the pleasure of about 5 full time BAN shills including this member frequenting my thread with insults, childish remarks, stupid pictures and all manner of crap since I started it, and it continues to this day. The only person from BAN who doesn't post is the person who the accusation is against - s0br, choosing instead to use his shill/troll accounts to post with instead.

It's all quite sad. If the BAN shills had stopped posting their hate on the thread, it would probably have just passed & been forgotten about, but instead they have posted incessantly, keeping the thread at the top of the list & in everyones vision. Now they are dragging innocent members & forum moderators into a childish handbag brawl......