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hero member
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Same to you
I think you're telling me all of this because you have never actually attempted this. It is also probably because nobody really demonstrated to you the difference between harsh criticism and an insult. That's fine.

That's too bad in my humble opinion.


The site here has no rules at all. Do as you wish here.
hero member
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Read what I said to the guy that implied death threats shouldn't be a bannable offense and maybe you'd get where I'm coming from. My forum isn't for fun. It's for work.

Get a hold of your self, this is cyber world, those death threats are nothing, words cant kill you. Do you think some crazy a** will travel across the world to do what he just posted here. There's a line between real world and cyber world, and you should know the difference.
Just because we're behind a computer screen, doesn't mean we have to exude cowardly behavior.
legendary
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In Memory of Zepher
No, I've never blocked you. Or at least I don't think I did. If I ever said that I did, I don't remember.
In that case, I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

In a professional forum for work full of mature model citizens, I would say they could find positive ways of having fun while doing their work by giving friendly compliments to each other, or organizing friendly fundraisers and events to have lively, useful discussion in exchange for great ideas in promoting and enhancing Bitcoin through bold, new, and exciting concepts.
I can understand where you are coming from, but in a forum where rules are specifically set to try and enforce no one ever getting offended, posting something which isn't explicitly encouraging/praising someone will be extremely difficult, and staff intervention may end up even being seen as censorship. What I mean by this is that, as proven by you and I, people have very different interpretations of what offensive is. By trying to enforce one person's rules on what is and isn't offensive is difficult, as what one person may see as harsh criticism another may see as a direct attack on them. I wouldn't find a forum where people are scared of giving criticism a fun place to be at all.

I'm not trying to insult your ways, but since you can make statements like that, I don't really believe you'd know too much about etiquette or sophistication in my humble opinion.
I can see why you would think that. I believe that I can be sophisticated, however only in situations which require it. I don't see an online forum that I mainly visit for personal enjoyment, not business, as such a situation.

I suppose people as yourself seem to believe work is about goofing off or not taking situations seriously. That is fine. I am an overall strict human being when it comes to work. Some people like that. Some don't.
As said previously, I do not see this forum as work at all. I perhaps used to, however that is no longer the case. The little money that I do make from this forum goes back into other ways to enjoy myself or side projects of mine. I have means IRL of generating revenue for my actual life. If you see this forum as a place to work, good for you, however do not expect others to conform to your expectations. Especially so on the internet; that is a very unrealistic thing to hope for.

No offense taken. Have a good day.
Same to you.
sr. member
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Read what I said to the guy that implied death threats shouldn't be a bannable offense and maybe you'd get where I'm coming from. My forum isn't for fun. It's for work.

Get a hold of your self, this is cyber world, those death threats are nothing, words cant kill you. Do you think some crazy a** will travel across the world to do what he just posted here. There's a line between real world and cyber world, and you should know the difference.
hero member
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Merit: 500
Also hey wait a minute...



So your forum will be too strict! I don't know...I did like the idea, but now that I reread the link, it does seem just a little too strict. I might not enjoy myself there, but as you said it isn't for fun but for professionals to do work.

Read what I said to the guy that implied death threats shouldn't be a bannable offense and maybe you'd get where I'm coming from. My forum isn't for fun. It's for work.

hero member
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For me personally, I do not believe in acts like that to have any type of part in a professional forum community. Even joking would not be tolerated in my upcoming forum because it is strictly for work. Work should be taken seriously.
I will be very surprised if this forum lasts longer than a few months. Without anything other than work it will become very boring very quickly, providing a safe haven to every special snowflake that needs it won't change that. If people can't handle being told they're incorrect and throw a tantrum every time they don't deserve to have items such as a computer and internet access. Perhaps a rattle and a sandpit would be better suited.
Not belittling you or whatever, just stating my opinion. I expect that I am on your ignore list anyway, so unless the ignore feature magically breaks again like it has with hilarious several times you won't see this.
No, I've never blocked you. Or at least I don't think I did. If I ever said that I did, I don't remember.


In a professional forum for work full of mature model citizens, I would say they could find positive ways of having fun while doing their work by giving friendly compliments to each other, or organizing friendly fundraisers and events to have lively, useful discussion in exchange for great ideas in promoting and enhancing Bitcoin through bold, new, and exciting concepts. I suppose I am just a more sophisticated type of worker, where I would never say statements such as what you just said, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.

I'm not trying to insult your ways, but since you can make statements like that, I don't really believe you'd know too much about etiquette or sophistication in my humble opinion. In that case, my preferred simulated forum full of ladies and gentlemen in suits sitting in classic office chairs behind a long office table in an executive office on the 16th floor of a building with a wide window showcasing busy city streets below while drinking coffee or wine and toasting to successful business tactics might not be your best fit for a working scenario. I suppose people as yourself seem to believe work is about goofing off or not taking situations seriously. That is fine. I am an overall strict human being when it comes to work. Some people like that. Some don't.


No offense taken. Have a good day.
newbie
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Also hey wait a minute...



So your forum will be too strict! I don't know...I did like the idea, but now that I reread the link, it does seem just a little too strict. I might not enjoy myself there, but as you said it isn't for fun but for professionals to do work.
legendary
Activity: 2352
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In Memory of Zepher
For me personally, I do not believe in acts like that to have any type of part in a professional forum community. Even joking would not be tolerated in my upcoming forum because it is strictly for work. Work should be taken seriously.
I will be very surprised if this forum lasts longer than a few months. Without anything other than work it will become very boring very quickly, providing a safe haven to every special snowflake that needs it won't change that. If people can't handle being told they're incorrect and throw a tantrum every time they don't deserve to have items such as a computer and internet access. Perhaps a rattle and a sandpit would be better suited.
Not belittling you or whatever, just stating my opinion. I expect that I am on your ignore list anyway, so unless the ignore feature magically breaks again like it has with hilarious several times you won't see this.
newbie
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Also, please tell me which administrator condones you insulting people over the internet AKA trolling?
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Please read the stickied rules before posting next time:

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3. No trolling.

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Q: Do you moderate/delete (possible) FUD, accusations and untrue information?
A: No. We don't have enough time to check every single piece of information and verify the validity of the sources. Also, just like scams - too much room for bias and abuse.

However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).

Q: Someone insulted me. Why aren't you deleting his post/thread?
A: Possible (since we don't have the time or resources to check) insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somehwere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.

Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
wait...what?!
legendary
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Terminated.
The ignore feature isn't that useful here. I can still see when they post in my threads. I can't see the actual post, I just notice that they've entered the thread.
Self moderate thread + ignore -> Delete without viewing the actual content of the post.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500

Also, thank you. Please do believe that my forum will not condone insulting or belittling other human beings the way that this forum does.


Just want to correct you on this, it's not the forum who belittle other human beings, it's the members of the forum.
Trolling in a forum is here to stay and it actually depends on how you define trolling, some may take it as a joke and just laugh about it but some may take it seriously and consider it as trolling. If you don't like the post just move on, it doesn't make you a less person by just ignoring a trollers post.
For me personally, I do not believe in acts like that to have any type of part in a professional forum community. Even joking would not be tolerated in my upcoming forum because it is strictly for work. Work should be taken seriously.

Well congratulations to your upcoming forum, with this thread you created you just started a soft launching of "your forum"  Grin
Seriously dude, you can't take that (joking or horsing around) away from any members here. If they find you as a weak member and an easy target to humiliate then going to forums is not for you, even if you start your own forum, one way or the other one will surface as a joker or troll but others will not take it seriously. To make the long post short "Ignore".
That is your opinion, and I'll respect it. Therefore, the same should be done for my opinion. You're your own person, and I'm my own person. People will naturally not see eye to eye because of the different backgrounds. It is quite simple, really.

The ignore feature isn't that useful here. I can still see when they post in my threads. I can't see the actual post, I just notice that they've entered the thread.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
@TheGr33k
You are a noob.. you showed up here DEC 2013

I also have seen a common theme among the many Topics you create.
A large majority of them have a theme of trying to control how everyone on the forum acts.
Your "advice" is not wanted LOL

Trying to jam your way of doing things down peoples throats is not going to go over to well..
Especially from a noob hahaha

And i have pointed out your hypocrisy before..
I never had talked to or about you in any way and then out of the blue you started stalking me.
Telling me you "know people" who were threatening me.
And when i said leave me alone about it you didn't stop..
You went on to hijack my topics many times with 1,000% off-topic threat babble.
You then sent me 3 PM's in a row.

Then when i started poking around in your history and confronted you about it you ran for it hiding.
First thing i noticed is your posting for or with codishmumu who is banned and has quite the rep around here LOL
Looking at both your post histories i see it's very likely she is your girlfiend..
Why else would you be creating numerous topics around the forum to sell her handmade bitcoin themed sweaters ?

THEN !

While poking around to see why in the hell this guy came at me from out of no where i see a LONG history
of activity that screams Card'ing to me.. then what did i find ?
An old comment where you said yourself "I am not Card'ing" LOL

You have got a loooot of nerve buddy LOL

And.. where did you get that amount of money you mentioned ? $14,000 ?

I also think putting the mod on ignore is funny and chilidsh.
The mod to me seems like a very reasonable guy.. i'd advise listening to him if you don't want to listen to me LOL
Then again i prob got put on ignore a longtime ago hahahah
..so i prob just wasted my time typing this all out Sad

PS:
I don't consider myself to be an old school crypto guy.
But i did get a head start on the kids that showed up when BTC went to a grand a coin.
I know what it was like when there was less than 50 coins and almost no drama LOL
I recall when BTC hit $50 for the first time i was clapping never thinking it would go to a $1,000+

Respect your elders son..
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250

Also, thank you. Please do believe that my forum will not condone insulting or belittling other human beings the way that this forum does.


Just want to correct you on this, it's not the forum who belittle other human beings, it's the members of the forum.
Trolling in a forum is here to stay and it actually depends on how you define trolling, some may take it as a joke and just laugh about it but some may take it seriously and consider it as trolling. If you don't like the post just move on, it doesn't make you a less person by just ignoring a trollers post.
For me personally, I do not believe in acts like that to have any type of part in a professional forum community. Even joking would not be tolerated in my upcoming forum because it is strictly for work. Work should be taken seriously.

Well congratulations to your upcoming forum, with this thread you created you just started a soft launching of "your forum"  Grin
Seriously dude, you can't take that (joking or horsing around) away from any members here. If they find you as a weak member and an easy target to humiliate then going to forums is not for you, even if you start your own forum, one way or the other one will surface as a joker or troll but others will not take it seriously. To make the long post short "Ignore".
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500

Also, thank you. Please do believe that my forum will not condone insulting or belittling other human beings the way that this forum does.


Just want to correct you on this, it's not the forum who belittle other human beings, it's the members of the forum.
Trolling in a forum is here to stay and it actually depends on how you define trolling, some may take it as a joke and just laugh about it but some may take it seriously and consider it as trolling. If you don't like the post just move on, it doesn't make you a less person by just ignoring a trollers post.
For me personally, I do not believe in acts like that to have any type of part in a professional forum community. Even joking would not be tolerated in my upcoming forum because it is strictly for work. Work should be taken seriously.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
OP i dont see a problem with this, moderators have too much on their plate to think about simple things such as insult, the site is actually ran professionally, check out the admin team at hackforums.net they ban people for foolishness like this but they are in no way, shape or form professional
I do understand where you're coming from. On a more tolerable and user-friendly view, I do not. I would take unprofessional and rude behavior somewhat seriously in terms of making the site look more clean. If you condone insults, that's fine. You can stay here. To whomever doesn't condone it, they can hopefully join my forum when it is genuinely available. As I said in my link in the OP, I am not shaming the forum or the way it's being operated.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 250

Also, thank you. Please do believe that my forum will not condone insulting or belittling other human beings the way that this forum does.


Just want to correct you on this, it's not the forum who belittle other human beings, it's the members of the forum.
Trolling in a forum is here to stay and it actually depends on how you define trolling, some may take it as a joke and just laugh about it but some may take it seriously and consider it as trolling. If you don't like the post just move on, it doesn't make you a less person by just ignoring a trollers post.
sr. member
Activity: 266
Merit: 250
OP i dont see a problem with this, moderators have too much on their plate to think about simple things such as insult, the site is actually ran professionally, check out the admin team at hackforums.net they ban people for foolishness like this but they are in no way, shape or form professional
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
Greek, I don't exactly agree with you about the moderators but I haven't had much interaction with them in the time I've been here. I do think that this forum is like the Wild West, anything can happen.it's good and bad, in unequal parts. I wish you luck in the new forum. I do think it's a good idea.
The moderator I'm talking about decided to post in this thread. As I promised, I wasn't going to reveal who it was along with any evidence on them, unless they posted in the thread. So here.

https://archive.is/IIhLh


Also, thank you. Please do believe that my forum will not condone insulting or belittling other human beings the way that this forum does.

copper member
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I have placed you on ignore, but because the ignore feature is not proper, I can still see when you post in my threads.
This is not true. If someone on your ignore list posts in a thread you have on your watchlist then the thread will show up on your watchlist however when you view the thread what they post will not be visible to you unless it gets quoted.

I think you are probably upset that you have a negative trust for being an alt of puzzel.me and is attempting to troll hilarious until he gets removed from a moderator and/or removed from DT. Many scammers have attempted to do this to me, although only one scammer was successful, but only after extreme stalking and a mistake on my end.
hero member
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Read my first sentance above again. I don't have a problem, but you seem to turn me moving a thread that was in the wrong section and reported as such into me trolling you or abusing my power. It's not. You think it is because you have an issue with me. Lock this thread, ignore my posts (properly and even if you see them when they're quoted) and you shouldn't have to interact with me ever again unless you involve me. Even if I said something directly to you you could just ignore it.
I felt my threads were marked accordingly. They could have been in either project development or the Bitcoin Discussion forum.


Both my threads had both Project development and Bitcoin Discussion characteristics for it to have the label of either a Bitcoin Discussion post, or a project development one. I am done with arguing that with you. The threads are in project development now, so let's put that aside. I do greatly apologize for the fact that we have personal issues, because you have created those personal issues. If it is true that you get "paid" to do what you do, that doesn't qualify that what you're doing is justified or completely helpful to the contribution of this forum, let alone the rest of the Bitcoin community. Snooki gets paid to get drunk and arrested on television, but that doesn't mean what she's doing is beneficial to society. With that in mind, try not to find self glorification and righteousness just because there's a possibly (that I don't believe) you get paid to do what you do here.


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