I don't think they'll reply here, based on their answer for my invitation to explain their action on this thread, I think they justifies plagiarism as a legal, or at least neutral, action.
The way we think about plagiarism is not clear and clouded. Some people often speak of it as a crime. Plagiarism is seen as immoral; it is seen as stealing -- the stealing of ideas or words.
Ideas are very often a mix of one’s ideas, those he reads, and those he discusses with friends. It makes it hard or even impossible to sort out who owns what. Regarding citing sources - expectations vary among readers and contexts, making it unlikely to satisfy everyone.
While reading, we always bring our own knowledge to what we’re reading. Writers may reuse the words of others. And very often they know they reused words. Your question is should they attribute them?
Maybe yes or maybe not. Perhaps not. Words are not discrete entities, they fall into patterns that serve certain ways of communication.
Neither common knowledge needs to be cited, it includes information that is known by a lot of people and is found in many sources.
I tagged the op and will gladly support the flag if you make one.
Will raise a flag if they didn't have any intention to explain here or give words to rewrite their whitepaper before today ends.
Regarding your hostile and aggressive behavior today.
We shall make note of this group and its members so we can investigate the real reasoning behind today's unbiased and very suspicious attack on Moneta Ann Thread.
We are very disappointed with the treatment we are receiving from this group here on Bitcointalk.org from the following users:
Rikifip
holydarkness
cheezcarls
examplens
andrei8787
The Pharmacist
For Attackers:
You do not have any entitlement to brand other members biased on uneducated guesses or assumptions.
Neither of you has any knowledge of the Moneta Project and Moneta Team.
We do agree the market of ICO's is unregulated thus attracting mal-players. However, we strongly believe that - just because someone makes unfounded assumptions, thinks, or feels - does not entitle him of expressing his thoughts in the manner your group did today. Yes - Moneta is a new project. Maybe we are not the most experienced in the field, however, we strive to build a community and unite people so we can build our project exactly as it says in the White Paper. We do not have Satoshi or Buterin, but the people in our team are our strength and it is very wrong to throw accusations, especially driven by hostile feelings or psychotic thinking.
To address your group main concern:
We have asked for the paper to be reviewed and probably it will be updated shortly if any discrepancies regarding plagiarism shall be found.
I thought Moneta was a good project until I found this accusation thread. It’s now difficult to get back on track once that project was committing plagiarism, whether intentional or unintentional. If outsourced, they shoould have double or triple checked it to a plagiarism checker online to see if it’s original or plagiarized.
If other points of view, including those specifically in contrast with your own, can
be conveyed coherently - you would be less inclined to make skewed or inaccurate decisions.
The argument is you do not yet know the real answer, so if you address the scenario with
the most respectful interpretation, then instead of destroying it you will probably establish trust with those concerned.
Trust building pays dividends over time, especially in tough circumstances
where trust may act as a path to a friendly resolution.
The next time you feel inclined to make an accusation, take a step back and think about whether that’s really a fair assumption to make.
A simple google search of our CEO would clear most of your suspicions.
We do not make assumptions on your profiles, however, your profiles may be fakes, or maybe all of your group are imposters. We do not search for the reasoning behind your actions. It’s a free world.
“Respect yourself and others will respect you.”
Confucius
User Moneta Holdings17 sent me a PM about reconsidering neg feedback on his profile.
As I say in my previous post here, waiting for his response here, I didn't get a single argument, why it is necessary to check it again. Still waiting for an explanation, even if we know that there will be the usual justification "they hire an agency which plagiarizes WP..."
I will not discuss this through PM.
“Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.”
― Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon
Moneta? Wasn't that one of Yobit's shitcoins that only ever traded on Yobit and only ever for 1 satoshi? I could swear that was the case and that Yobit was giving moneta away as one of their free coins a few years ago.
Anyway, nice catch OP. I don't know if this is evidence of an impending scam, but it indicates two things about the team: laziness and dishonesty, both of which any potential investor ought to be made aware of. It baffles me that new projects are still plagiarizing parts of their whitepapers and then starting up ANN threads here. They must not be aware of how much they're under a microscope when it comes to shilling their wares on bitcointalk.
Lol. That's not even true anymore and hasn't been since at least the beginning of bitcoin.
There's no progression without opposites. In human life, desire and repulsion, purpose and energy, love and hate, are necessary.
Not knowing everything is all that makes it OK, sometimes.
[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]An attempt to scam us into paying money for alleged marketing services have been registered. When we denied the offer, the attackers started a Thread branding us this and that and making false accusations.
Scammers:
holydarknessRikafipexamplensandrei8787cheezcarlsJawhead999Their representative is asking an undisclosed amount of bitcoins from Moneta to remove the false accusations.
Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Trading Discussion > Scam Accusations (Moderator: Cyrus) > Scammers Group Identified - False Accusations and Ransomware
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5299968.new#new
