Topic: Money as a store of value... - page 4. (Read 736 times)

I agree with your point.
Permit me to say there are other store of value aside money such as Landed properties can also be regsrded as store of value because landed properties appreciates in value and if you look at it well you will realize that landed properties are a higher store of value than money.
For instance, $100 today will still be $100 next year but a landed property that is worth $20000 today in a central business districts can rise to $50000 in years to come.

Money, the biggest friend of inflation, I am surprised that many members are classifying money as a real store of value, something that depreciates very fast in a matter of months, to me money is not a real store of value and shouldn't in any way be considered as one, the example of store of value are things that retain their value or add more to their value as time goes by, for example Gold, Silver, and all other precious stones you can find around the world, they are very hard to find and they are very useful, this is why they are good store of value. 

Another good store of value is Bitcoin, as risky as Bitcoin is, it's a good example of real store of value because its deflationary and useful, yes it's currency but in a storing of value manner, way better than Fiat or Money when it comes to store of value.

This is why you shouldn't write on sensitive stuff like this from the top of your head without making your research. It's really absurd to classify money (fiat) as a store of value. It's obviously not. Anything that depreciates in the presence of inflation can't be quantified as such. We can say Gold is. Bitcoin is. But not fiat. For instance, a few years ago in my country N100 was $1 in 2008. Today, N745 exchanges for $1. Inflation has beaten the hell out of the local currency with virtually no corresponding value to show for the difference. N100 in 2008 had a better purchasing power than the current N745 of today. Every Nigerian know this.

Money is an important thing in life, if we are not good at managing finances then we will regret and of course cry, now there are many suggestions from financial experts that we can adapt to the conditions that happen to us, as long as we can follow their advice then we will be successful.

This is why crypto is the best. I mean it is neither "money" as we know, but not just an asset. It is both good for spending money in a regular way, like fiat, you can use crypto to buy stuff. But at the same time it is an asset that goes up in value as well. It works both ways and I believe that it is the reason why people loved it so much. Imagine your money in your pocket goes up in value all the time while you have it there, then you spend it, and then it continues to go up. That is not the world we live in, right now the mone yin our pocket loses value when its there and that's why its such a sad situation.

Well, I don't really consider our current traditional currencies, that is the fiat currencies to be store of value since they hold/store but little value overtime.
You will agree with me that traditional currencies, through inflation, have lost their purchasing power/value overtime, today what we used to buy for $1000 way back 1990, today in this year 2023 now sells for $10,000 if not more, this is not a characteristics of a true store of value and I think it is wrong to classify fiat currencies as store of value.

I think the real store of value is Bitcoin, and some other top crypto coins, gold, silver, real estate, company shares/bonds etc, all this I consider store of value because they have the ability to appreciate very much in value, thereby increasing their purchasing power, even after they might have depreciated before.

And as you can probably infer from your own explanation fiat currencies are not a store of value, in fact they do the opposite as instead they steal from anyone that decides to use them to save their wealth over the long term, and this explains why the rich are always buying everything they can with their fiat money, as they know that if they were to keep their wealth in this way they will lose more and more wealth, and this is simply unacceptable for them.

I don't agree with your statement where you mean money is a store of value. I think gold really deserves to be mentioned as a store of value, the reason is that when the world experiences economic uncertainty, usually the value of money will fall, but the value of gold will continue to rise. as happened some time ago when covid 19 attacked the world, almost all currency values weakened. Therefore, in my opinion, gold is more worthy of mention as a store of value.

Bitcoin as a store of value is a great opportunity for Bitcoin to get more people wanting to hold it.
Because imagine you can have a money, where it's value is stable (or even a little bit inflation every year) or you have a money of limited supply, where value is likely to increase a little bit every year (Bitcoin).
In addition, Bitcoin as a store of value is also a good reason for many shops to accept Bitcoin.
A good store of value is also a good money, if it's easily portable and divisible. It's a very iportant point also for money, because Gold is also a store of value but not suited as a money because it's not easily portable and divisible.

Obvious money stores value. I don't think anyone wants to argue on that. If money has not value there wouldn't been need to save money. Many people has fixed deposit account which is just like staking your coin for xyz duration of time. When the time reaches to withdraw money you will still see your money with its value.
However the purchasing power may likely reduce because of inflation that affects fiat system. This is the reason some people are longer saving in the bank

I don't think the main purpose of money was to store value, ever. Money was "invented" to allowed people to trade goods and services without having to barter to find an appropriate price. The increasing complexity of trade and transactions made bartering very impractical, or even impossible in some cases. So the main purpose of money was to make trade faster and easier.

Storing value in money makes sense to some point. Like multiple people have said before me, cash is the most liquid of assets. No asset will be 100% safe from inflation and other negative factors, but storing value in gold, real estate, stocks and other assets that are actually intended for storing value makes much more sense than keeping millions of dollars in cash. In fact, you probably know the story about Pablo Escobar and his problems of keeping massive amounts of cash. Now, of course, we're nowhere near having millions of dollars of cash in our apartments, but you get the point.

That may be true, but it's better to save money on something whose value will go up more in the future, because if you just keep it in the bank, your money will be the same amount but the value will decrease.
so i dont recomend you save money in the bank for a long time.

What you are elaborating on, is a trade by barter, and during ancient time they used trade by barter for exchange of goods and services,  that doesn't mean that what they exchange at that point is a store of value, what they actually do is to exchange to what they needed at point in time.
When you said a store of value, the things which I believe that falls in between that should be future things that in fifty years coming it will still be valuable, and such things may classifies as crude oil and Gold. The two things mentioned above is what we can see as store of value  because the value doesn't depreciate even though it get it's been reframe,  the aspect of money, it get loss of value, it depreciated when it get stock for long periods, either they will be inflation or they will be change currency, so if you stock money physically not in bank and redesign of such currency happens, its obvious that you have lost the currency and it become valueless. So in summary store of value from my observation is crude oil and gold.

Now the world is more open because of the presence of smartphones, transactions in various countries that used to be very difficult are now easier and faster, if we want to get a good product of course we have to pay or buy more expensively, usually the price will determine the quality, as long as we don't have money then don't expect to get good quality goods.

Yeah, I'm starting to relate to your explanation about items that can be "expensive" in certain seasons. Perhaps it could be a means of seasonal bartering. for example, the wool-producing tropics bartered with fish from winter regions.

I agree that many countries are hoarding more and more gold and natural resources, but their complete elimination of Fiat will never happen. Many countries are removing the USD from their foreign exchange reserves but instead choosing other countries' currencies, like the Chinese Yuan as an alternative. Fiat represents the economic strength of a country, the strongest country, then their currency will rule the world. Like the US, why should they always find ways for the USD to have the biggest influence in the world? So the world's elimination of the Fiat system will never happen but only a change of power because no one can stay on top forever.

well of course Real Estate is also another thing that can be an option to protect the value of our assets from time to time. but I personally consider Real Estate to be the best investment for the long term. because properties such as land and buildings covered in the Real Estate category always have a significant increase from year to year.

but if we talk in conditions if a war occurs then Real Estate will be the most affected. because Real Estate is not even as flexible as gold. if we compare it with gold then in a war situation we will find a clear difference. and Gold will be superior.
Why? because first, Gold is certainly more likely to be carried around by us to move from somewhere to avoid war. secondly, we can also use gold as a medium of exchange even in emergency situations. even the value of gold tends to increase during economic crises such as inflation and recession. even during wars we can see the value of gold always soars because gold is considered by many to be the best value hedge. Another advantage of gold is that gold can be traded in various forms of trading such as in the form of gold bars, gold jewelry, gold in the form of ETFs and even in the form of trading in futures contracts. even if a country's money is affected by inflation and becomes unstable and even continues to experience a decline in value. then Gold is always the best choice for citizens to protect the value of their assets. like many cases in countries affected by hyper inflation such as in Zimbabwe and in several countries in Africa.

Assets are not requiring in any form, size and weight as long as it will give you hopes or potential that its market price will grow in the long run and in order to make money for your needs of ourse. Being a store of value should promote and endorse all of the things we see regarding demons for us to make use of it as an advantage and to strategize things. A war would be different because no matter what size your asset is, you'd be having a hard time focusing on things which are most imporatnt for one's career. Banks and money promotes security more than others but not absolute.During a war, no currency will be monitored because it would be a survival of the fittest.

In addition to gold, real estate is also a very good store of value and I think it is safer than gold. But the downside of these two assets is that they are quite bulky, it will be difficult to move as well as if there is a war, the real estate will depreciate. Although bitcoin is volatile, we can consider it as a store of wealth because of its advantages.

in the long run Money is by no means a store of value that can keep its value the same year after year. because the value of the currency actually continues to experience deflation from year to year. whereas Gold might be more suitable to be used as a store of value for our assets so that it is not too affected by inflation. even though gold also has fluctuations but with a range of price changes that are not far away. and the trigger is also due to changes in currency values ​​that are affected by inflation or something like that. so actually the price of gold is not too moving. but the money keeps moving. correct me if wrong.