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legendary
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January 26, 2017, 11:59:00 AM
Money laundering is a thing very concerned about many users, of course, there are fears bitcoin if used money laundering so as to make the State prohibit the bitcoin.

yeah it is because government can not tracked for what purpose for bitcoin transaction so bitcoin user can do money laundering without any one knows. i think this is serious problem that bitcoin user should prevent because if we are not make prevent, new people will only thinking that bitcoin is for illegal purpose and bitcoin can not be a good purpose and finally bitcoin has decrease on the value.
You cant really move this thing into the minds of people regarding on the negative side of bitcoin because it is really being used on money laundering and other illegal transactions because of its anonymity features which somehow gives negative image into bitcoin but well we cant stop those people since they use bitcoin on that way.
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January 26, 2017, 11:55:38 AM
Money laundering is a thing very concerned about many users, of course, there are fears bitcoin if used money laundering so as to make the State prohibit the bitcoin.

yeah it is because government can not tracked for what purpose for bitcoin transaction so bitcoin user can do money laundering without any one knows. i think this is serious problem that bitcoin user should prevent because if we are not make prevent, new people will only thinking that bitcoin is for illegal purpose and bitcoin can not be a good purpose and finally bitcoin has decrease on the value.
legendary
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January 26, 2017, 11:53:09 AM
How can Bitcoin be used as a money laundering method? As a result, they will be asking for the source of these dollars when we convert our BTCs and transfer my bank account in dollars.

They will ask us how we won these BTCs. Then how we will give they an answer.

You are right but you are not converting millions and millions of dollars at a time, if you convert little amount of money we can definitely answer how we can earn the answer is through trading. Definitely they will deduct taxes from it, once we are doing transaction in online definitely they will trakc each of your transaction.

you cannot be taxed on commodity trading

You obviously seem to be confusing something. I've been trading gold and oil at commodity&futures markets, and at the end of the year your gains will be taxed and reported by your broker (provided you earned something, of course). Moreover, your losses from previous years (if you had some) will be accounted for, so you get a sort of tax exemption (for the last three years, at least, where I live). If you are in the US, look here for more info. The system is basically the same in other countries...

Just in case, Bitcoin is considered as a commodity in the US for taxation purposes
legendary
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January 26, 2017, 11:49:39 AM
Just a reminder here.  Just because "they" haven't come knocking on anybody's door yet doesn't mean that "they" don't already know where the money flows and from whence it flowed....I think that many here underestimate the capability of blockchain analytics.  Put it this way, if you give "them" a good enough reason, "they" will come.  In fact, they are probably recording all your transactions and interactions as we speak....so it's best not to entertain such notions as money laundering....bitcoin is not a good tool for that type of activity.
hero member
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January 26, 2017, 11:13:30 AM
I am surprised to hear that Bitcoins are being used for tax evasion. It is a very risky choice, due to the volatility in the exchange rates. Also, once you convert your unaccounted money to Bitcoin, it is difficult to convert it back to physical cash. Most of the Bitcoin buyers deal only through bank transfer or other similar payment modes. 

it is not being used for tax evasion
legendary
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January 26, 2017, 10:50:53 AM
I am surprised to hear that Bitcoins are being used for tax evasion. It is a very risky choice, due to the volatility in the exchange rates. Also, once you convert your unaccounted money to Bitcoin, it is difficult to convert it back to physical cash. Most of the Bitcoin buyers deal only through bank transfer or other similar payment modes. 
sr. member
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January 26, 2017, 10:27:08 AM
you can actually just say that you got it in campaign signature ads. you earn from it. if you just earned it on signature campaign ads. but if you do it on some illegal things like gambling, some banks considered it as illegal or investment. you should be think of more good answer. better not use or direct the bitcoin from the bank or some local wallets. try using another wallet so you can transfer it indirectly.
hero member
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January 26, 2017, 10:25:13 AM
How can Bitcoin be used as a money laundering method? As a result, they will be asking for the source of these dollars when we convert our BTCs and transfer my bank account in dollars.

They will ask us how we won these BTCs. Then how we will give they an answer.

You are right but you are not converting millions and millions of dollars at a time, if you convert little amount of money we can definitely answer how we can earn the answer is through trading. Definitely they will deduct taxes from it, once we are doing transaction in online definitely they will trakc each of your transaction.

you cannot be taxed on commodity trading
hero member
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January 26, 2017, 10:24:28 AM
How can Bitcoin be used as a money laundering method? As a result, they will be asking for the source of these dollars when we convert our BTCs and transfer my bank account in dollars.

They will ask us how we won these BTCs. Then how we will give they an answer.

You are right but you are not converting millions and millions of dollars at a time, if you convert little amount of money we can definitely answer how we can earn the answer is through trading. Definitely they will deduct taxes from it, once we are doing transaction in online definitely they will trakc each of your transaction.
hero member
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January 26, 2017, 10:17:57 AM
Easy, if we pursued by large government tax, then the bitcoin can be used as a place to hide our money, I am sure these things happen because a lot of people will choose the risk of loss rather than having to pay taxes.

money laundering has nothing to do with taxes
member
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January 26, 2017, 04:34:20 AM
Easy, if we pursued by large government tax, then the bitcoin can be used as a place to hide our money, I am sure these things happen because a lot of people will choose the risk of loss rather than having to pay taxes.
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January 26, 2017, 03:15:39 AM
Did anyone hear about people using Bitcoin to bribe some guy in the government (or elsewhere)?

Is it safe to grease the wheels this way? If no one got caught so far, does it mean that no one actually tried to use bitcoins for exactly this purpose or does it mean that it is just a perfect tool for passing the money under the table to someone and no one can be caught at all. Really, how can such bribes can be traced? After all, you can always back off and claim that this is not your Bitcoin address, and you hear about Bitcoin for the first time in your whole life at that

I haven't heard any, but for sure, if bitcoin is going to be use to bribe a government official, it's going to be anonymous since you can deny an address. But there will come a time that those who were bribed will convert bitcoin to fiat, and that is where everything will start. If you use the money to buy luxury cars or whatever, it will be noticeable and that is where investigation will come and all your properties will become questionable and papers will be asked if you declared it and if it is taxed. Unless when you convert your bitcoin to fiat you use another bank account not related to you or any of your family member or a bank account in other country

This is a long way to go

Really, why should they convert bitcoins to fiat at all if they could just save them as a sort of severance pay ("golden parachute") or their own pension fund? If they agree to be greased with bitcoins, they are apparently valuing Bitcoin, so they might not want to go out into fiat before their time comes. And after, say, twenty years who will remember that some official had been bribed with Bitcoin? On the other hand, the best way to catch both bribers and bribees is to catch them red-handed, i.e. at the moment when they give and receive the bribery. Bitcoin easily solves this bottleneck

Well, I have no doubt about that, you defend your answer very nice.  Smiley That's true, you need to caught them in the act in order for you to really hav ea solid case against a corrupt politician/ department heads. And that's true even after your term as a government official no one ever remembers you. Unless the one who bribes you make a noise to re surface you and your hidden wealth.

Maybe the ones that will benefit from that bribe are the children, and not the actual person who committed it. Just like how politicians did it, after being thrown out by the people, no wealth is found, and the children turns out to be wealthy later on. Cheesy
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January 26, 2017, 03:15:21 AM
well, yeah, i actually looked at the location of the OP too, figured that might have been the location they were referring to and not some other country that they may magically get transported to

Because there were different aspects of money laundering from every country were youre living, i guess that this is one of the disadvantage of bitcoin because it breaks this law although i still love it when someone can freely transfered money from any part of the globe through btc
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January 26, 2017, 03:08:19 AM
Money laundering is a thing very concerned about many users, of course, there are fears bitcoin if used money laundering so as to make the State prohibit the bitcoin.
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January 26, 2017, 02:58:53 AM
How can Bitcoin be used as a money laundering method? As a result, they will be asking for the source of these dollars when we convert our BTCs and transfer my bank account in dollars.

They will ask us how we won these BTCs. Then how we will give they an answer.
legendary
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January 26, 2017, 01:12:46 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/20/bitcoin-netherlands-arrests-cars-cash-ecstasy
One of the recent case. There are many more laundering going on as we speak. It is unfortunate that people find one or the other way to misuse Bitcoin every other day.  Sad
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January 26, 2017, 12:45:10 AM
yes Money laundering is much easy in Bitcoin , as all information of sender and receiver is hidden

It is more easier because there are a lot of local and international exchanges who can we use for laundering money. Because most of them are not that strict on implementing their rules regarding on where their customers are getting their bitcoins. There might be some that are strict but still bitcoin users can use tools for hiding its origin.
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January 26, 2017, 12:40:44 AM
The possibility of laundering through bitcoin is even higher than FIAT because it is now possible to move without trace and I think corporations are now using it as a means for capital flight which cannot be unconnected with the noise been generated by the relevant arm of government and the result of such is coming inform of discouragement in using bitcoin

I disagree....cash leaves no trace but bitcoin publishes a public record of every transaction.  And, the gateway into bitcoin through the fiat markets adds yet another level of transparency that can be tracked.  There are blockchain analytic suites that can be used to do some amazing studies of transactions that take place on the public ledger....Nothing beats cash as far as leaving an untraceable record. Now....it is easier to transport your money via a blockchain, but that's a whole different subject.
Being anonymous only will only apply if we will not choose to convert our bitcoin into fiat, hence it is true that cash are more untraceable in the event you will choose to use it in money laundering. Lack of education will lead us to a bad situation, if we make a crime, we need to fully understand how the system works so we can make a perfect one.
legendary
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January 25, 2017, 09:39:00 PM
The possibility of laundering through bitcoin is even higher than FIAT because it is now possible to move without trace and I think corporations are now using it as a means for capital flight which cannot be unconnected with the noise been generated by the relevant arm of government and the result of such is coming inform of discouragement in using bitcoin

I disagree....cash leaves no trace but bitcoin publishes a public record of every transaction.  And, the gateway into bitcoin through the fiat markets adds yet another level of transparency that can be tracked.  There are blockchain analytic suites that can be used to do some amazing studies of transactions that take place on the public ledger....Nothing beats cash as far as leaving an untraceable record. Now....it is easier to transport your money via a blockchain, but that's a whole different subject.
hero member
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January 25, 2017, 01:37:58 PM
So how does this "money laundry" actually work?

Do you buy every bitcoin you can get your hands on with your dirty money? And if anyone asks where do they come from, you say "i'm an early adapter." Is that it?

i answered this question three pages back
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