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The 24 hour trading brings even more pressure on.

Quote from: Bloomberg

Interactive Brokers introduced overnight trading of US shares in 2022 because of demand from investors in Europe and Asia, according to Steve Sanders, executive vice president of marketing and product development. With about 85% of the firm’s new client applications coming from abroad, it has now ramped up its offering to more than 10,000 stocks and ETFs. The number of overnight trades in those securities has grown 308% this year through June and now represents about 2.2% of Interactive Brokers’ overall volume in US shares.

https://archive.is/rma35

Money people like to spread, Europe is under pressure due to the war.
Parts of European, Asian money ends up in those stock trades mentioned in the article.

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Quote from: pooya87 on June 30, 2024, 09:42:03 AM

If you follow the money you'd realize that's not true at all.

Money goes into hard assets like gold for security not another country. Specially at this time when the global tensions are rising and it's everyone for themselves. Money goes into US for profit and profit only.

There is no black and white in any parts of the any society. Bipolar views are hardly ever accurate.

One third of all Investments end up in the US, more than 13 years ago when BRIC was born,

I suggest you read the Bloomberg Article on money-flow first and how a 3rd ended up in the US, https://archive.is/zg0XG

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on June 29, 2024, 06:51:46 PM

The US dollars is becoming a joke and so is their economy, the dollar isn't the strongest currency anymore as other currency are having more strength than the dollars but because the US is still the dominating country that's what is giving the dollar relevance.

Outrageous claims need some proof Cheesy

So, to what currency is the USD losing power you can see in my previous message:

Quote from: stompix on June 23, 2024, 10:48:47 AM

So let's see the last 10 years:
BRL to USD Chart -59.55% (10Y)
INR to USD Chart -27.99% (10Y)
RUB to USD Chart -62.17% (10Y)
CNY to USD Chart -14.29% (10Y)
ZAR to USD Chart -40.74% (10Y)

Much Brics currency, much devaluation, such garbage currency, wow!

it is absolutely raping every other currency on the market, especially those of Brics!
But if you're so sure everyone is dropping the USD, why not take part in my experiment:

In what currency other than the USD you know the price of Bitcoin by heart?

Oh, btw, the result is that nobody knows the price of BTC in anything else than USD, some even don't know it by heart in their local currency!

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Quote from: WillyAp on June 30, 2024, 08:51:07 AM

That moves the economy. Money flows into the US due to safety concerns

If you follow the money you'd realize that's not true at all.

Money goes into hard assets like gold for security not another country. Specially at this time when the global tensions are rising and it's everyone for themselves.
Money goes into US for profit and profit only.

Interestingly enough the majority of the money that flew into US came from Europe (about 70% of it). The same Europe that started going through deindustrialization thanks to the war between US and Russia in the past 2+ years. More interesting is that it got even faster after US blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.
You may like to know that according to US department of commerce official data the largest increase of "foreign direct investment" came from Germany (the main beneficiary of Nord Stream) and UK. Wink

All exactly for profit... the same money went elsewhere for profit as well... India and China Wink

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on June 29, 2024, 06:51:46 PM

It won't last long, US being the engine of the world would not last long, the US dollar is already losing its relevance. Other country are beginning to abandon it as their currency of exchange.

You don't get it do you?
The world's money, 30% flows into the US, a failed state if one listens to you.I don't live there, nor do I wish to do so.
What drives your US dislikes, or the dislike towards its system.

Capital rides into the US even with troublesome mechanisms like CDO and CMOs as parts of the economic engine. The US Economy is built upon credit. That moves the economy. Money flows into the US due to safety concerns, due to their fund being secured, a safer bet as BRICS so to say. If China is so good capital, it would go there.

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Quote from: WillyAp on June 16, 2024, 04:26:01 PM

Even if you hate the US, the US is the engine of the world. There is no alternative.
One Alternative failed which was the dream of Simon Bolivar, a counterweight to the US
Money-flow is interesting, It shows where the capital feels safe. Remember the US is the world economic engine.

It won't last long, US being the engine of the world would not last long, the US dollar is already losing its relevance. Other country are beginning to abandon it as their currency of exchange. Without the US mingling in the affair of other countries and having a leverage, they would not have being the world power by now. Money doesn't flow towards the dollars technically but it flow towards the dominant currency which currently it's the US dollars but as I said it wouldn't last long. The US dollars is becoming a joke and so is their economy, the dollar isn't the strongest currency anymore as other currency are having more strength than the dollars but because the US is still the dominating country that's what is giving the dollar relevance.

China is on the path of overtaking the US as world power and by then the money flow will be towards the Chinese Yuan. China's economy is predicted to be the largest economy in world by 2050 because of the rate at which the economy is growing. When that happens, the dollars won't stand a chance to compete against the Chinese Yuan.

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Quote from: alani123 on June 29, 2024, 05:56:40 PM

America's grip on the world could surely last a couple more decades for sure. We could see it remaining the same op economy and the dollar as the top currency however it's also imported to consider that there is something interesting about this dynamic.

The us population growth has been slowing and likely within a few years will be below replacement rate. At the same time wage purchasing power is dropping and the poor in America are becoming poorer. Unless there is a significant change in how things work then I think other world powers are going to surpass the empire America has been trying to build. my prediction is that inequality will be it's downfall.

I think that grip you're talking about is probably going to last much longer, pretty sure that an economic collapse wouldn't mean that US would suddenly lose it's capability to influence using it's fiat and I don't believe that's ever going to be the case and it would be really difficult for a country that has their currency being used as a global currency to be going down and then suddenly losing their influence, that collapse isn't going to be happening in a decade, it's a really slow process that's going to get slower because the US are taking measures in slowing that collapse even just a little.

Do you have a data that supports the population growth of US is slowing because with all the stories of illegal immigration and asylum seekers due to wars, I think that population of US isn't going down anytime soon not to mention that they're not really the kind of country like China that controls their population and are now facing the consequences of their action.

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America's grip on the world could surely last a couple more decades for sure. We could see it remaining the same op economy and the dollar as the top currency however it's also imported to consider that there is something interesting about this dynamic.

The us population growth has been slowing and likely within a few years will be below replacement rate. At the same time wage purchasing power is dropping and the poor in America are becoming poorer. Unless there is a significant change in how things work then I think other world powers are going to surpass the empire America has been trying to build. my prediction is that inequality will be it's downfall.

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Quote from: pooya87 on June 28, 2024, 09:23:29 AM

Only psychopaths and arms dealers like a war!

if you read the main press not only those.
Many people believe war is an adventure. Like a video game, remember the volunteers in Ukraine?

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Quote from: WillyAp on June 23, 2024, 10:30:27 AM

The world won't dedollarize in the next 50 Years.

Dedollarisation is not something that happens over night. It is a long process and that process has already started.

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Maybe a ww3 makes a global dedollarisation happen, but most likely the Dollar Enemigos would not like that.

Only psychopaths and arms dealers like a war!

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Quote from: tabas on June 26, 2024, 06:56:19 PM

While you can live like a king there if your money is in dollars and you won't be spending bolivares or you want to convert it there, you'll be holding piles of cash for every coffee you will buy outside

Not any more, 2 $ pay for a coffee in a coffee shop. On street level its $0.5.
The way the legal investment is done only makes people turn towards the illegal investment.
Who wishes to appear in front of "law" Enforcement and declare that you are an investor?

Even the legal investment is full with inconsistencies.

Quote from: tabas on June 24, 2024, 06:24:58 PM

Other than that, there might be some other manufacturers that they're going to ask for it or they will be offered to. Knowing that it is going to be Saudi Arabia, they'll surely want to do business with them. They prolly don't need to find one but the manufacturers are the ones that are going to get close to them and do business whatever they are in need of and lack of.

Also a fabric you can't just build a canon. You need weapon-graded metals, The tooling to form weapon grade metals is not easy to come by.

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Quote from: WillyAp on June 25, 2024, 09:19:02 AM

Quote from: tabas on June 24, 2024, 06:24:58 PM

Anyway, there's so much things that are happening globally, only the rich are the ones that are looking to expand and do a lot on their country because they've got a lot of funds.

In terms of investment Venezuela is flooded with the adventurous investor type.
Even so its not easy made legal they buy entire apartment blocks, houses, urbanizations and much more. All over middlemen

But the entire economy status of Venezuela is what investors pushing them away aside from legal constraints. While you can live like a king there if your money is in dollars and you won't be spending bolivares or you want to convert it there, you'll be holding piles of cash for every coffee you will buy outside. I think that they're trying to rebuild their economy and have slashed a lot of zeroes to their money and the impact of it, I don't know. Maybe with better policies, government regime, they might be able to lessen that impact of hyperinflation in their country.

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Quote from: tabas on June 24, 2024, 06:24:58 PM

Anyway, there's so much things that are happening globally, only the rich are the ones that are looking to expand and do a lot on their country because they've got a lot of funds.

In terms of investment Venezuela is flooded with the adventurous investor type.
Even so its not easy made legal they buy entire apartment blocks, houses, urbanizations and much more. All over middlemen

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Quote from: WillyAp on June 24, 2024, 08:50:00 AM

Quote from: tabas on June 23, 2024, 05:53:34 PM

They might or they will source it out from other manufacturers that will allow them to pay in whatever currency they want to. But I guess since their alliance with BRICS is at hand and has been vulgar, are they going to purchase it from any of those participating countries that are also into arms manufacturing?

Weapon system is not that you ditch your Chrysler and buy a Toyota. There is tooling, replacement parts, ammunition sizes, stocked and needed.
I think Saudi Arabia and much of the east had their experience with Russian weaponry. Going Chinese?
So far only a few countries were allowed to buy. One is Venezuela. (No money for medicines, but weaponry?)

https://chinapower.csis.org/china-global-arms-trade/

I see, if they've got more experience doing that with Russia then they might just wait until they won't need to produce for themselves anymore but for the sales that they might do. Other than that, there might be some other manufacturers that they're going to ask for it or they will be offered to. Knowing that it is going to be Saudi Arabia, they'll surely want to do business with them. They prolly don't need to find one but the manufacturers are the ones that are going to get close to them and do business whatever they are in need of and lack of. Anyway, there's so much things that are happening globally, only the rich are the ones that are looking to expand and do a lot on their country because they've got a lot of funds.

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Quote from: stompix on June 23, 2024, 10:48:47 AM

17 million green cards rejected in 2023 alone might be one of the reasons! Wink

You got a point. I wasn't even aware.

Quote from: tabas on June 23, 2024, 05:53:34 PM

They might or they will source it out from other manufacturers that will allow them to pay in whatever currency they want to. But I guess since their alliance with BRICS is at hand and has been vulgar, are they going to purchase it from any of those participating countries that are also into arms manufacturing?

Weapon system is not that you ditch your Chrysler and buy a Toyota. There is tooling, replacement parts, ammunition sizes, stocked and needed.
I think Saudi Arabia and much of the east had their experience with Russian weaponry. Going Chinese?
So far only a few countries were allowed to buy. One is Venezuela. (No money for medicines, but weaponry?)

https://chinapower.csis.org/china-global-arms-trade/

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BRICS is indeed a political instrument. No question about that. That's the design. However, it might not matter much whether it is supported by capital investors or not. If you take a look at the member countries of BRICS, you can easily notice how there's a strong presence of authoritarianism in their states. If you talk of investments, the organization could bring in much money not coming from private companies or investors but from the states themselves. China could entice a country to join BRICS not necessarily because it brings with it a big body of private investors but because it can itself shower the country with grants and projects.

But, yeah, countries are trapped not because they are forced to be in that situation but because they willingly and selfishly sell their nations. Mine included.

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Quote from: WillyAp on June 22, 2024, 04:02:10 PM

Quote from: tabas on June 22, 2024, 01:08:12 AM

Let us see how the effect will come since Saudi Arabia has dropped their grip on the US dollar.

I bet the Saudis pay in $ when in need for weapons.

They might or they will source it out from other manufacturers that will allow them to pay in whatever currency they want to. But I guess since their alliance with BRICS is at hand and has been vulgar, are they going to purchase it from any of those participating countries that are also into arms manufacturing?

Quote from: WillyAp on June 22, 2024, 04:02:10 PM

9% of the US Oil comes from Saudi Arabia.

Aside from that, they're also known as suppliers and have one of the biggest shares globally. If my research is right, it's about 16% or so as per the global share that they're doing for the entire world. That's a lot of share coming from them.

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Quote from: SilverCryptoBullet on June 16, 2024, 10:28:03 PM

Something about the USA and the US dollar you must know.
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The US dollar loses its purchasing power a lot since many years.

Good, now please do the graph for the BRICS countries, the yuan, the ruble, the rupee, the rand and the real.
To save you some pain, the ruble went through redenominations in the last decades so we need to add some extra 3 zeros to that.

So let's see the last 10 years:
BRL to USD Chart -59.55% (10Y)
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=BRL&to=USD&view=10Y
INR to USD Chart -27.99% (10Y)
RUB to USD Chart -62.17% (10Y)
CNY to USD Chart -14.29% (10Y)
ZAR to USD Chart -40.74% (10Y)

Much Brics currency, much devaluation, such garbage currency, wow!

Quote from: WillyAp on June 23, 2024, 09:50:19 AM

A lot of anti US feeling here.
It's so strong that people see conspiracy around every corner.

17 million green cards rejected in 2023 alone might be one of the reasons! Wink

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Quote from: pooya87 on June 23, 2024, 10:11:55 AM

That still doesn't mean they aren't joining the global dedollarisation movement though...

I didn't say that either.
The world won't dedollarize in the next 50 Years.
Maybe a ww3 makes a global dedollarisation happen, but most likely the Dollar Enemigos would not like that.

I think more country will use the dollar as a national currency, now there are 11.
Only 2 use Bitcoin, and bitcoin is pretty unsuitable as it is.

Litecoin is much better for fast and inexpensive transfers. But that is a different matter.

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Quote from: WillyAp on June 22, 2024, 04:02:10 PM

I bet the Saudis pay in $ when in need for weapons.

Considering how almost all the weapons Saudi family buys is from US, it is not much of a bet to say they pay in dollar Cheesy

Besides this family has been ordered to invest all the money they had in United States all these years, which means all their money that is in dollar is also tied up in the US.

That still doesn't mean they aren't joining the global dedollarisation movement though...

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