Topic: Montreal scaling Bitcoin workshop recap. - page 6. (Read 4491 times)

No, you are one of them. I don't like you and brg444 for those reasons.

So now everyone who has arguments supporting implementations other than Core is a secret service agent working in some hideous plan to destroy Bitcoin?
First it was Gavin and Hearn, and now even Peter R is one of them. Do you really believe this?

So Goldman don't have a clue what they're doing, and you support the companies they invested in? Just a massive coincidence that dominant financial players only invested in companies that are now pushing BIP101?

I suppose it's also just a massive coincidence that you and the rest of your cohort all support BIP101 only, and have never entertained the various other ways of solving the problem. Sure.

Bank managers have very little understanding on the technical functioning of bitcoin and where this technology is heading. The fact that they didn’t invest in Blockstream only demonstrate that (thank God). Very few have hedge their bets with some bitcoin comapny but no more. Of course they have little interest of deeper understanding because we all know this technology can render their very lucrative business model into an almost obsolete one. However, keeping small blocks is a great way to push users into potential proprietary off-chain systems controlled by banks which can be used for fractional reserve, cooking books and all the great things they love doing. On the other hand allowing people to directly use the blockchain is a bigger threat to their business model.

Another head of the hydra speaks, and it's the same disgraceful conduct that can now be relied upon; I call you creatures out for what you are, and all you can do is point your finger and cast aspersions.  

I invite you all warmly, you, Peter R and knight22 and the rest of the cronies, to leave this community and the deceptions you are peddling. You will always be remembered in exactly the way I have exposed you. And you will all have to live with it.

I was extremely invigorated by the talks. I was pleasantly surprised that many of my concerns were not only voiced but actively being discussed although was somewhat frustrated that the more obvious existing solutions to some concerns were not being considered. (Is Anysource, Multicast UDP being talked about?)

 I particularly resonated with Eric Lombrozo's talk which, to me, was pretty much the précis of all the issues of Bitcoin and encompassed all the the subjects of the two days. I think many people are very heavily focused on their narrow domain passion and it needs people to sometimes pop their head up, look around and also back to see where we've been.

It was also a confirmation for me because after the two days of listening to some great talks, my conviction that pretty much all the ills of Bitcoin start and end with the miners' human component in a system originally designed to not be reliant on human rationalities; is stronger than ever.

You've lost it dude.

You used to post such intelligent stuff.

Sounds like you know some pretty intimate details, any more?

Interesting how they didn't actually hedge their bets by investing in Blockstream also, any info for us about that, knight22?

It doesn't mean anything on their stance on BIP101 and they probably have no clue what it is. Do you know how much money is in the investment portfolio of a bank? This small investment is completely meaningless. They did it as an hedge of a potentially disruptive technology. Do you think they are part of any decision making of all their investments? No and they don’t have time to do so. They just invested in a bitcoin company than needs scaling like any other bitcoin company. 

Not giving up on your manipulative tactics, no?

How about the multiple rounds of investment that Goldman Sachs have put into, well what do you know, the companies that support BIP101? The same scaling proposal you've been advocating so strongly for? Hello?

Give me a break. Goldman Sachs don’t give a damn about bitcoin. I dare you to find a quote from a Goldman CEO supporting your claim.

lol really, they have hashing power mining BIP101 blocks? or do they just publicly state that it want BIP101?

Except that Goldman Sachs literally are backing BIP101, so you're at least a massive hypocrite. But I find it hard to believe you're that stupid, you've demonstrated otherwise, and so you can only be a shill for Goldman Sachs themselves, really.

Confirmed disgusting manipulative shill, in other words. Sociopath on behalf of those that wish to increase their dominance. The total opposite of the image you present for yourself. Be gone.

Small blocks are for Goldman Sachs exclusive settlement system and is the perfect system to keep fractional debt base money. Thank you sir for demonstrating that you actually have no clue of what you are talking about.

Will you run a node for them?

The discussion was a bit one sided in my opinion... there were no real engagement... just a little bit of.. "Listen this is what we working on, and why we would be going in that

direction. I would have wanted to see a real active 2 sided debate on the matter, stating the pro's and con's and in the end, a decision made about the matter.

Some of the stuff that was discussed was very informative though.  {Peter / security} 

There was a guy called Mr Microphone who did a stand up comedy routine where he pretended his microphone was intermittently faulty. The intermittent lack of sound on the livestream made the conference technicians appear unprofessional at best, and Mr Microphone style comedic at worst. As most people choose to view the livestream rather than attend the conference the technical difficulties give the conference itself a bad appearance.

Lol at Mr. "Money as Debt", who just so happens to be shilling BIP101 for Goldman Sachs. But free market though, right?  


Said it before: you are a disgusting individual. Disgusting.

FTFY

Basically nothing new here, the ideas like NG has been discussed long time ago without any major breakthrough, because any split of the block and broadcasting will have security risk

I think the progress on those kind of meetings are much slower than forum, where all kinds of ideas can be exchanged and discussed in real time

I recently read Peter R's paper on supply and demand model without block size limit, I think he has done quite some research in writing that paper. And I want to point out that for each different miner on the network, he's view of supply and demand is not the same as another guy with a totally different set of hardware and network infrastructure

For example, a large group of chinese miners on very slow connections might choose to mine extremely small blocks to reduce their orphan rate. However since they command majority of the hash power, the whole network capacity will be limited by their choice, even others on high speed connections consider that mining larger block is profitable. So it is very difficult to get a supply demand picture for the whole network when the nodes have vastly different infrastructure. Notice that those slow connection area typically have the lowest electricity/labor cost

The supply and demand model works when every participants are following their best economy interest. However, if there are some actors intentionally causing problem for the network because they have some other interest beyond the bitcoin economy, for example banks who want to cripple the bitcoin network to reduce competition, then the security is the first priority. The latest spam attack simulated such a possibility. In fact banks can cripple bitcoin network if they want, but it is just too small to raise any concern for them right now

Yes, I've been watching the whole morning. I got the same feeling, many, many interesting things but like they know why did they come, more to discuss than to bring important decisions. Everybody are also very calm, looks to me that they are not pushed by time to bring a final decision.

I mean after all, they are probably right. The best is to think through stuff very throughly and not bring any fast decisions, the blocks are even now semi full. This doesn't meant that this can't change very fast. I think that the Hong Kong conference will be much different than this one. This conference will probably bring much more action.