Topic: Morality is a guilt trip - page 2. (Read 1923 times)

Exactly right!


Let me make it clear that I DO believe stealing is a poor way to distribute resources and that win/win trading is far more advantageous, I do not make this distinction base on a moral understanding, but rather a mathematical comprehension of reality.

There may be an issue with the poll question with some people differentiating between moral and ethical. E.g. I think "moral" is a word often used subjectively, especially when morality is taken from authority (such as "the bible says homosexuality or sex before marriage is immoral). On the other hand, "ethical" is a more objective word, describing the value of a behavior based on observation and rational deduction (such as, "smoking weed doesn't hurt anyone but the smoker, so it's morally ambiguous, but taking someone's property may be unethical, because widespread lack of respect for property would mean real actual harm to the survival of our species). In short, the former is more external and taken on faith or gut feeling, and the later is more internal, and based on philosophical and/or rational deduction.

Of course, morality is a guilt trip.  If you've done something wrong or support bad behaviour in others you should feel guilty.  You should feel guilty enough to want to make reparations.

If you have morals and follow them you don't feel guilty.  In fact, you feel pretty good.  A moral life is a good life.

this post was originally a reply to this thread,

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-do-you-believe-is-moral-244258

About this survey

http://kwiksurveys.com/s.asp?sid=9fgng77f80xbtr9177028

I decided to create my own thread where I could encourage conversation about math that is less subjective than morality and see if I can reach out to others who understand this point of view,

thanks for reading.

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I will have to retake the test and lie to find the other questions. I got as far as question one. I do believe I can make a case for when it would be wise to take money from you but moral, perhaps the survey should define morality first before assuming it means the same thing to everyone.

If you want to make the case that something is moral or immoral then you first need to define what you believe is moral. Once you accept that this is subjective and needs defining then you have to accept that logic (read math) and morality cannot co-exist. (I hope the majority will one day accept the objective morality of math)

Is it wrong to kill someone? Wrong is subjective, what if you're at sea and killing means you will live? While I would feel this is a horrible decision to have to make and I would sympathize with anyone who decided they would rather die than live with the guilt, the guilt is subjective and does not result from a logical interpretation of events.

As you will see if listen to the majority, I have a minority point of view. That's ok, the way the majority of humanity is behaving right now I'm happy to be in the minority. I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm doing my best to use logic and reason to prove that morality is a subjective emotion used to create weakness in others.

If animals had morals (as described by the majority) they would not survive, humanity is suffering from a bad case of moral superiority right now, and all these so called "libertarians" are blind to a mathematical interpretation of morality.

Is there a better way? well I sure hope so.

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Ok so I've answered yes to all the questions purely to see the outcome, I guess some would judge me as immoral for lying, it was interesting to get to the end and find the purpose of this was to explain that Tax is Theft

Math and logic should tell you that Tax is Theft, using morality to trick people into feeling guilty for stealing, that's priceless LOL