Most Americans Say Send Ground Troops to Fight ISIS

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Quote from: Spendulus on December 09, 2015, 11:22:19 AM

Quote from: mohsin qureshi on December 09, 2015, 07:11:23 AM

Is this true?
Americans never committed this mistake again, (they done in Afghanistan and Iraq earlier). Americans will never send their troops without the help of other nations, and this problem will never resolved without the will of Syria, and Russia is on the back of Syria, so in these situation how can Americans even think about to send their troops with the fight against ISIS....

My opinion is that the USA is on the wrong side, and should be fighting with Russia against ISIS.

Yes, they should be fighting along with Russia against a common enemy.
unfortunately, they are thinking long term... about life after ISIS.

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Quote from: Spendulus on December 09, 2015, 11:20:05 AM

Doesn't matter. Presentation of a false passport is criminal, and certainly grounds to deny entry. Presentation of no passport or little or no verifiable data is grounds to deny entry.

And that's the way it should be.

That is the way it should have been. But right now, no one is following those rules. Angela Merkel want to import as many immigrants as possible, so that she could remain in power for at least 10 more years. It doesn't matter whether these immigrants are having a fake passport or no passport. No one is going to deport them.

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Quote from: mohsin qureshi on December 09, 2015, 07:11:23 AM

Is this true?
Americans never committed this mistake again, (they done in Afghanistan and Iraq earlier). Americans will never send their troops without the help of other nations, and this problem will never resolved without the will of Syria, and Russia is on the back of Syria, so in these situation how can Americans even think about to send their troops with the fight against ISIS....

My opinion is that the USA is on the wrong side, and should be fighting with Russia against ISIS.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 09, 2015, 10:04:09 AM

Quote from: mohsin qureshi on December 09, 2015, 07:11:23 AM

All those countries allowed then on the name of mankind and on the sake of humanity, i think they should scooternized the migrant’s papers and allow them in their after full checking.

There is no way to scrutinize their papers and passports. The Syrian population registry is no longer functioning and many of the passport offices in the opposition held ares are dishing out passports with fake data at a rate of hundreds per day. Most of the Pakistani and Afghan immigrants are buying these passports for less than $1,000 apiece, and there is no way to prevent this practice.

Doesn't matter. Presentation of a false passport is criminal, and certainly grounds to deny entry. Presentation of no passport or little or no verifiable data is grounds to deny entry.

And that's the way it should be.

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I feel both parties have good points (not ISIS of course!). On one hand this type of terrorism should be fought at all levels and is not some BS like weapons of mass destruction excuse or scapegoats like that. We've seen their "power" firsthand. On the other hand, US and other countries should stop messing with other countries affairs if they want to avoid raising terrorists and fanatics.

There's also a third point, the ones who think doing nothing is a solution but then ask for support for Dafur or whatever country is in trouble. Ideally we send The Avengers and they don't kill any babies or have any collateral damage but we know that's not possible so hands inevitable get dirty.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2015, 10:07:21 AM

All American troops are volunteers. If the recruiters do their job right, there will be no end to the troops that can be sent anywhere.

That is what the armed forces around the world claim. But the truth is that many of these recruits are lower middle class youth with low education, who have no other option to earn a decent livelihood. Most of them hail from the rural regions of the United States. None of the urban elite will send their children to the military.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2015, 10:07:21 AM

Quote from: mohsin qureshi on December 09, 2015, 07:11:23 AM

Is this true?
Americans never committed this mistake again, (they done in Afghanistan and Iraq earlier). Americans will never send their troops without the help of other nations, and this problem will never resolved without the will of Syria, and Russia is on the back of Syria, so in these situation how can Americans even think about to send their troops with the fight against ISIS.
The migrants are another problem, every 5th in them is associated with militant groups or ISIS, so the threat is not only for Syria but also for the peace of world specially those countries who allowed the migrants in their countries.
All those countries allowed then on the name of mankind and on the sake of humanity, i think they should scooternized the migrant’s papers and allow them in their after full checking.

All American troops are volunteers. If the recruiters do their job right, there will be no end to the troops that can be sent anywhere.

Before the troops enlist, they are only kids, who don't know what they are getting themselves into. Fighting around the world will teach them.

Thank Goodness that the military and the medical don't know anything about nutrition. If they did, they would feed the old, retired, soldiers vitamins and nutrients, converting them into strong, youthful fighters again. Then they would re-activate them, and sent them all over the world as well.

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Quote from: mohsin qureshi on December 09, 2015, 07:11:23 AM

Is this true?
Americans never committed this mistake again, (they done in Afghanistan and Iraq earlier). Americans will never send their troops without the help of other nations, and this problem will never resolved without the will of Syria, and Russia is on the back of Syria, so in these situation how can Americans even think about to send their troops with the fight against ISIS.
The migrants are another problem, every 5th in them is associated with militant groups or ISIS, so the threat is not only for Syria but also for the peace of world specially those countries who allowed the migrants in their countries.
All those countries allowed then on the name of mankind and on the sake of humanity, i think they should scooternized the migrant’s papers and allow them in their after full checking.

All American troops are volunteers. If the recruiters do their job right, there will be no end to the troops that can be sent anywhere.

Before the troops enlist, they are only kids, who don't know what they are getting themselves into. Fighting around the world will teach them.

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Quote from: mohsin qureshi on December 09, 2015, 07:11:23 AM

All those countries allowed then on the name of mankind and on the sake of humanity, i think they should scooternized the migrant’s papers and allow them in their after full checking.

There is no way to scrutinize their papers and passports. The Syrian population registry is no longer functioning and many of the passport offices in the opposition held ares are dishing out passports with fake data at a rate of hundreds per day. Most of the Pakistani and Afghan immigrants are buying these passports for less than $1,000 apiece, and there is no way to prevent this practice.

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Is this true?
Americans never committed this mistake again, (they done in Afghanistan and Iraq earlier). Americans will never send their troops without the help of other nations, and this problem will never resolved without the will of Syria, and Russia is on the back of Syria, so in these situation how can Americans even think about to send their troops with the fight against ISIS.
The migrants are another problem, every 5th in them is associated with militant groups or ISIS, so the threat is not only for Syria but also for the peace of world specially those countries who allowed the migrants in their countries.
All those countries allowed then on the name of mankind and on the sake of humanity, i think they should scooternized the migrant’s papers and allow them in their after full checking.

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Quote from: vero on December 08, 2015, 09:54:56 PM

I support this now because it will cost less now in both finances and men lost to battle. Islam State continue to grow in size and brutality. Barbaric slaughter will continue until they are completely eradicated

Also, ground offensives are less prone to collateral casualties. Deaths and injuries among the civilians will be reduced. With the American air strikes frequently bombing hospitals and schools, there is an urgent requirement to reduce the civilian casualties. BTW... I am not sure whether a ground offensive will be less costly when compared to an air offensive. Angry

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I support this now because it will cost less now in both finances and men lost to battle. Islam State continue to grow in size and brutality. Barbaric slaughter will continue until they are completely eradicated

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Quote from: Beliathon on December 07, 2015, 11:58:25 PM

Fuck ground troops, send killer robots with lasers and tactical nukes and shit.

If the west is to be the Great Satan for these barbarians, we ought to do our best to play the part.

Yeah? I got news for you, newbie that stepped into Beliathon's puppet.

ISIS is an Internet war.

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Quote from: hunnaryb on December 07, 2015, 11:25:42 PM

They say send troops, but then when body bags return home, the public opinion changes very quickly.

Body bags have been returning to the United States ever since 2001. But the public opinion hasn't changed considerably. The urban elite doesn't care about the body bags. Nor does the religious nuts and the welfare rats. Only the hard working lower middle class people are returning in body bags, and they don't receive much of media attention.

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They learned their lesson in Vietnam. Back then there was still some decency and morality and the real horrors of war up close and personal were shown in spades on TV. But that was terrible publicity for war and its popularity tanked and since then it´s just embedded whores that show and say what they´re told.

Em-bed. You can see how cocky these people are, They even mock their whores that they use, and also the public that consume the drivel.

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Quote from: hunnaryb on December 07, 2015, 11:25:42 PM

They say send troops, but then when body bags return home, the public opinion changes very quickly.

They and the garbage media will make sure that it´s as little visible as possible. That drill is known from Iraq and Afghanistan. And like in Afghanistan and even more in Iraq back then, they´ll define the number of dead and maimed troops as low as they possibly can. If they die from their wounds at Manstein in Germany they´re not really casualties of combat in Iraq et cetera. You know how they bend the statistics so it fits their agenda. These are fucking lunatics, always bear that in mind.

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https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU

Fuck ground troops, send killer robots with lasers and tactical nukes and shit.

If the west is to be the Great Satan for these barbarians, we ought to do our best to play the part.

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They say send troops, but then when body bags return home, the public opinion changes very quickly.

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Quote from: zenitzz on December 07, 2015, 02:53:02 PM

I don't think they have their facts straight. My perspective is that the vast majority of Americans DO NOT want to send our troops there to fight. At least not until there is a strong commitment from the local countries to fight them first.

I am assuming that the mood changed after the San Bernadino terrorist attacks. Earlier the Americans were thinking that if they don't send in their ground troops, then the ISIS might refrain from attacking targets inside the United States. But with the latest terror attack in which more than a dozen civilians were killed, that assumption proved to be false.

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It isn´t just ISIS. Remember al-Queda? The terrorists that we created for our purposes but then supposedly lost control of? Well, their freakin franchise is part of the "moderate opposition" in Syria and is of course active in Iraq as well, where they came from. They´re just as dangerous, forward looking, as ISIS, it´s just that they´re much less vocal about their plans. Much more subtle and insidious than ISIS and much more difficult to defeat not least since as before western nutbags use them for allies when it suits their purposes.

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