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Quote from: Pmalek on January 09, 2024, 11:20:00 AM

Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 09, 2024, 05:05:45 AM

What's your recommendation mobile wallet and do you have one?

I have already mentioned my go-to mobile wallets in my previous posts.

Okay, for now I will store my Bitcoin offline and look later into a mobile wallet if I have no different choice for send.

Quote from: RickDeckard on January 09, 2024, 02:26:52 PM

Do note that while TOR is associated as a way to browse what you are envisioning as "Dark Net", TOR also allows you to explore websites like any other browser with the added benefit of the TOR Network (and other nuances that come with the browser). If using TOR were that illegal why would services such as ProtonMail[1] and Facebook[2] have onion addresses? What about news outlets such as The Guardian[3] and BBC News[4]?

For ProtonMail and FaceBook I don’t know but your News Websites are probably set up for Dissidents to be accessible.
I do not deny DarkNet can be helpful in dictatorships – like IRAN.

Quote from: RickDeckard on January 09, 2024, 02:26:52 PM

I highly recommend that you read more about TOR and how it works in these[5][6] nicely written articles. In its essence, TOR aims to provide what most people have forgotten / stopped caring long ago - Privacy.

I can understand your effort to paint DarkNet from its positive side but I really try to protect my device from malware and hacker.

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Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 09, 2024, 05:05:45 AM

I am not an Bitcoin expert and don't visit DarkNet because of illigal items and hackers.

Regular clearnet internet has no such things, but just for safety it's safer for you not to go out of your home at all...

What an inappropriate comment. It's same like people driving broken cars at 150 km/h or climbing tall buildings. Cheesy

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Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 09, 2024, 05:05:45 AM

No, I don't want to really store it on a mobile device.
Just in case I need a send by a low amount.

Than I really don't understand why are you asking for ''most safe'' mobile wallet.

Because even losing low amounts is not nice.
We need to protect our Bitcoins.

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Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 09, 2024, 05:05:45 AM

I am not an Bitcoin expert and don't visit DarkNet because of illigal items and hackers.

Yes, evil hackers and darknet illegal jungle is just waiting to get you and stole your fortune as soon as you open Tor browser Roll Eyes

Regular clearnet internet has no such things, but just for safety it's safer for you not to go out of your home at all...

Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 09, 2024, 05:05:45 AM

No, I don't want to really store it on a mobile device.
Just in case I need a send by a low amount.

Than I really don't understand why are you asking for ''most safe'' mobile wallet.

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Quote from: Roggeredek on January 09, 2024, 11:41:00 PM

I installed already how to verify the electrum is not a fake version.

The verification should be done before the software is installed and especially before you deposit any coins into any of its addresses. But since you already installed it, you can follow the guides below. The first one is much more detailed in case you don't manage to do it with the second one, which be a bit outdated.

[GUIDE] How to Safely Download and Verify Electrum [Guide]
How to verify your Electrum download

Quote from: Roggeredek on January 09, 2024, 11:41:00 PM

how to select the type of wallet? confused!

Choose the standard wallet. It's recommended for most users. A 2FA wallet introduces another cosigner. This is a paid service, and it creates larger transactions where you need to pay more fees. Multi-sig wallet is something similar. It's a wallet that requires the signatures with multiple keys/parties before a transaction can be sent. I wouldn't recommend you play around with those until you get comfortable working with a standard bitcoin wallet. The last option is self-explanatory. If you already have one or multiple private keys, you can import and recover them with Electrum. That option also creates a watch-only wallet.

Quote from: Roggeredek on January 09, 2024, 11:41:00 PM

choose another file means the file name is custom?

I am not exactly sure what you are asking. You can name the wallet anything you want. You can leave it at 'default_wallet' or change the name to something you like.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 09, 2024, 02:17:04 PM

Quote from: Roggeredek on January 09, 2024, 12:52:33 PM

The Electrum software wallet doesn't require a state-of-the-art computer, and I don't think you will experience problems running it. However, beginning with versions 4.2 and newer, the developers officially ended support for Windows 7. So, if you are using that outdated operating system, you won't be able to run the newer versions of Electrum. I hope you are using Windows 10/11 anyways, not just because of Electrum. That is, of course, if you are a Windows user, which I think you are.

Yes windows 11 user already I downloaded electrum from https://electrum.org/#download, show right version is electrum-4.4.6-setup.

I installed already how to verify the electrum is not a fake version.

how to select the type of wallet? confused!

choose another file means the file name is custom?

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if its just an open source mobile wallet that you are up to there are many of them. i use some of them, the first that i have tried before was the:

1. electrum
2. mycelium
3. alpha wallet

the trend today for these wallets is that they also support altcoins which works just like the Trust wallet of Binance. any coin you have can be stored as long as they support it. and then functionalities where you can swap what you have to any other cryptocurrency.

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Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 09, 2024, 05:05:45 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on January 06, 2024, 02:05:01 PM

For ultimate privacy, you should run your own node and use TOR and not connect to a 3rd-party one.

I am not an Bitcoin expert and don't visit DarkNet because of illigal items and hackers.

Do note that while TOR is associated as a way to browse what you are envisioning as "Dark Net", TOR also allows you to explore websites like any other browser with the added benefit of the TOR Network (and other nuances that come with the browser). If using TOR were that illegal why would services such as ProtonMail[1] and Facebook[2] have onion addresses? What about news outlets such as The Guardian[3] and BBC News[4]? I highly recommend that you read more about TOR and how it works in these[5][6] nicely written articles. In its essence, TOR aims to provide what most people have forgotten / stopped caring long ago - Privacy.

[1]https://protonmailrmez3lotccipshtkleegetolb73fuirgj7r4o4vfu7ozyd.onion/
[2]https://www.facebookwkhpilnemxj7asaniu7vnjjbiltxjqhye3mhbshg7kx5tfyd.onion/
[3]https://www.guardian2zotagl6tmjucg3lrhxdk4dw3lhbqnkvvkywawy3oqfoprid.onion/
[4]https://www.bbcnewsd73hkzno2ini43t4gblxvycyac5aw4gnv7t2rccijh7745uqd.onion/
[5]https://www.privacyguides.org/en/advanced/tor-overview/#path-building-to-onion-services
[6]https://www.privacyguides.org/en/tor/

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Quote from: Roggeredek on January 09, 2024, 12:52:33 PM

The Electrum software wallet doesn't require a state-of-the-art computer, and I don't think you will experience problems running it. However, beginning with versions 4.2 and newer, the developers officially ended support for Windows 7. So, if you are using that outdated operating system, you won't be able to run the newer versions of Electrum. I hope you are using Windows 10/11 anyways, not just because of Electrum. That is, of course, if you are a Windows user, which I think you are.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 08, 2024, 11:12:18 AM

Quote from: Roggeredek on January 07, 2024, 11:04:20 PM

I see Electrum it is safe for mobile? more than others' wallets?

It is safe enough for a mobile wallet. The safety of a mobile wallet depends mostly on you - the user. It depends on how you used and still use the wallet that holds the keys to your crypto. If you have done things wrong and infected your wallet somehow, then it doesn't matter what mobile wallet you use. In that case, they all will be unsafe for you.

Quote from: Roggeredek on January 07, 2024, 11:04:20 PM

what perfect to use Electrum mobile phone or computer?

Electrum for desktops is better than Electrum's mobile version. The mobile app lacks certain features that are present in the PC version. Try Blue Wallet for your phone.

thanks, I am trying to use Electrum on my desktop.

Quote from: Z-tight on January 08, 2024, 11:51:29 AM

Electrum in itself is safe and recommended, but the safety of your wallet depends on the device you use and your opsec; that is why it is recommended to use an airgapped device or a hardware wallet and ensure you back up your seed phrase and never expose it. Take note that you cannot customize fee on Electrum mobile and you cannot use coin control, the desktop version of Electrum is much better than its mobile version.

Configuration is not a problem.

It is not perfect to enough? I hope the configuration is no problem if I perfectly manage the Electrum software.

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Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 09, 2024, 05:05:45 AM

How long is certein data stored at such servers?

That's anyone's guess. It depends on the users running the nodes and their user settings. I don't see why they couldn't store such data indefinitely if they wanted to.

Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 09, 2024, 05:05:45 AM

Is blue wallet not sending certein data to a shady server?

It's the same every time you use someone else's node. By connecting to a server, you reveal certain information about yourself. It doesn't matter what the wallet's name is. Running your own node prevents that.

Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 09, 2024, 05:05:45 AM

What's your recommendation mobile wallet and do you have one?

I have already mentioned my go-to mobile wallets in my previous posts.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 06, 2024, 02:05:01 PM

Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 06, 2024, 11:14:45 AM

Is Electrum really a spy wallet? It seemed to be very famous from my previous research?

Electrum is an SPV client where you connect to a server (randomly or manually) operated by someone. Anyone could run such a server. You, me, an honest party, a government agency, blockchain analysis, etc. When you connect to a server, it receives certain data from you. That includes your IP address, all wallet addresses, and the balance you have in your wallet. Such information can be used to track you in an attempt to identify who you are.

How long is certein data stored at such servers?
Is blue wallet not sending certein data to a shady server?

Quote from: Pmalek on January 06, 2024, 02:05:01 PM

For ultimate privacy, you should run your own node and use TOR and not connect to a 3rd-party one.

I am not an Bitcoin expert and don't visit DarkNet because of illigal items and hackers.

What's your recommendation mobile wallet and do you have one?

Quote from: tabas on January 06, 2024, 06:02:10 PM

Are you sure OP that you'd like to keep your Bitcoins on a mobile wallet?

No, I don't want to really store it on a mobile device.
Just in case I need a send by a low amount.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 06, 2024, 03:03:10 PM

There are certainly Electrum servers more known and trustworthy than others, no? Which ones are the most reputed ones btw?

You cannot get this information, that is why you have to run your own node or electrum server to be certain of your privacy, if you connect to third party servers, they can see your BTC addresses and also your ip addresses and you cannot be sure what they do with that information.

Quote from: Roggeredek on January 07, 2024, 11:04:20 PM

I see Electrum it is safe for mobile? more than others' wallets? fees customize nice option, what perfect to use Electrum mobile phone or computer?

Electrum in itself is safe and recommended, but the safety of your wallet depends on the device you use and your opsec; that is why it is recommended to use an airgapped device or a hardware wallet and ensure you back up your seed phrase and never expose it. Take note that you cannot customize fee on Electrum mobile and you cannot use coin control, the desktop version of Electrum is much better than its mobile version.

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Quote from: Roggeredek on January 07, 2024, 11:04:20 PM

I see Electrum it is safe for mobile? more than others' wallets?

It is safe enough for a mobile wallet. The safety of a mobile wallet depends mostly on you - the user. It depends on how you used and still use the wallet that holds the keys to your crypto. If you have done things wrong and infected your wallet somehow, then it doesn't matter what mobile wallet you use. In that case, they all will be unsafe for you.

Quote from: Roggeredek on January 07, 2024, 11:04:20 PM

what perfect to use Electrum mobile phone or computer?

Electrum for desktops is better than Electrum's mobile version. The mobile app lacks certain features that are present in the PC version. Try Blue Wallet for your phone.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 07, 2024, 02:57:34 AM

Quote from: Roggeredek on January 07, 2024, 02:13:33 AM

This wallet available for fast transactions and low fees?? and safe the phone? is it possible to fast transactions for small amount?

You can't have fast transactions with low fees, and the Bitcoin protocol doesn't care about the type of wallet you use. Those who are willing to pay more receive a small or big head start for a future transaction confirmation. If you are paying less, then be prepared to wait longer. Electrum allows you to customize the fees to your liking. You make the decision of how much you are willing to pay and how quick your transaction will confirm.

I see Electrum it is safe for mobile? more than others' wallets? fees customize nice option, what perfect to use Electrum mobile phone or computer?

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Quote from: Saint-loup on January 06, 2024, 03:03:10 PM

There are certainly Electrum servers more known and trustworthy than others, no? Which ones are the most reputed ones btw?

Who knows. Even if there is a list of such servers considered to be trusted, how can you know the intentions and goals of the person who created that list? It might just be a honeypot, posted to lure you in. A person who is trusted today can go rogue tomorrow.

Quote from: Roggeredek on January 07, 2024, 02:13:33 AM

This wallet available for fast transactions and low fees?? and safe the phone? is it possible to fast transactions for small amount?

You can't have fast transactions with low fees, and the Bitcoin protocol doesn't care about the type of wallet you use. Those who are willing to pay more receive a small or big head start for a future transaction confirmation. If you are paying less, then be prepared to wait longer. Electrum allows you to customize the fees to your liking. You make the decision of how much you are willing to pay and how quick your transaction will confirm.

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Quote from: Z-tight on January 02, 2024, 11:20:13 AM

Electrum is compatible with android mobile devices but not ios, and Electrum on mobile also lacks a lot of features, so BlueWallet is your best option. Other than being open source, you can use features like coin control or freezing utxo's, you can also customize your tx fee on BlueWallet. However take note that your funds is only as safe as the device you store it in.

This wallet available for fast transactions and low fees?? and safe the phone? is it possible to fast transactions for small amount?

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Are you sure OP that you'd like to keep your Bitcoins on a mobile wallet? I'll give + to Electrum mobile and Bluewallet. The last time I've used Bluewallet was long time ago and I had not experienced any single problem with it. As you can see, the debate about the safest really matters depending on many factors, good that you've asked this and I wonder in which wallet you'll end up using.

Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 05, 2024, 06:43:37 AM

Blockstream Green is a nice addition to the current list of suggestions, https://blockstream.com/green/

I've used Blockstream Green(Green) but not the mobile version, for me, it's easy to use and user friendly.

@OP for your other reference of mobile wallets;

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 06, 2024, 02:05:01 PM

It's not a spy wallet. I was just commenting on Kruw's post in which he called the Samourai wallet a spy wallet. Samourai is a direct competitor to Wasabi Wallet, and Kruw is (in one way or the other) connected to Wasabi and its development team. That's why he won't pass up any opportunity to throw some dirt their way despite the fact that it's the Wasabi software that is the dirty party, and he knows why I am saying that. But that's a topic for a different discussion.

Electrum is an SPV client where you connect to a server (randomly or manually) operated by someone. Anyone could run such a server. You, me, an honest party, a government agency, blockchain analysis, etc. When you connect to a server, it receives certain data from you. That includes your IP address, all wallet addresses, and the balance you have in your wallet. Such information can be used to track you in an attempt to identify who you are. For ultimate privacy, you should run your own node and use TOR and not connect to a 3rd-party one.

None of what I said, though, affects the security of your coins. Only your privacy is affected. The security of your wallet depends on you and your device, and how you handle your keys.

There are certainly Electrum servers more known and trustworthy than others, no? Which ones are the most reputed ones btw? Other simple measures increasing privacy and preventing transaction tracking is to use several wallets with several different seeds, regularly creating new ones and halting using older ones, along with TOR or a proxy if your IP address is static. It's boring to have to back up and manage several seeds, but there are only few ways to increase privacy unfortunately.

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Quote from: Pmalek on January 06, 2024, 02:05:01 PM

It's not a spy wallet. I was just commenting on Kruw's post in which he called the Samourai wallet a spy wallet. Samourai is a direct competitor to Wasabi Wallet, and Kruw is (in one way or the other) connected to Wasabi and its development team. That's why he won't pass up any opportunity to throw some dirt their way despite the fact that it's the Wasabi software that is the dirty party, and he knows why I am saying that. But that's a topic for a different discussion.

You really need to stop harassing me and the Wasabi project. Here's the proof that Samourai Wallet spies on all of your transactions: https://github.com/Samourai-Wallet/samourai-wallet-android/blob/c4b9fa7e6f72f1c82ab4757b90dc5a0e979b796d/app/src/main/java/com/samourai/wallet/api/APIFactory.java#L1695

Samourai spying on their users is not me "throwing dirt". That's a FACT.

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Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 06, 2024, 11:14:45 AM

Is Electrum really a spy wallet? It seemed to be very famous from my previous research?

It's not a spy wallet. I was just commenting on Kruw's post in which he called the Samourai wallet a spy wallet. Samourai is a direct competitor to Wasabi Wallet, and Kruw is (in one way or the other) connected to Wasabi and its development team. That's why he won't pass up any opportunity to throw some dirt their way despite the fact that it's the Wasabi software that is the dirty party, and he knows why I am saying that. But that's a topic for a different discussion.

Electrum is an SPV client where you connect to a server (randomly or manually) operated by someone. Anyone could run such a server. You, me, an honest party, a government agency, blockchain analysis, etc. When you connect to a server, it receives certain data from you. That includes your IP address, all wallet addresses, and the balance you have in your wallet. Such information can be used to track you in an attempt to identify who you are. For ultimate privacy, you should run your own node and use TOR and not connect to a 3rd-party one.

None of what I said, though, affects the security of your coins. Only your privacy is affected. The security of your wallet depends on you and your device, and how you handle your keys.

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Hello, I will check out all your recommendations.

Quote from: Kruw on January 03, 2024, 09:51:14 AM

Just make sure you don't use Samourai Wallet, their app spies on all of your past and future Bitcoin transactions and sends it to their server.

I will avoid Samourai spy wallet.

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Quote from: Kruw on January 03, 2024, 09:51:14 AM

Just make sure you don't use Samourai Wallet, their app spies on all of your past and future Bitcoin transactions and sends it to their server.

So does Electrum, with the difference that there isn't a central server, but a long list of community-operated nodes. But those nodes can be run by harmless private entities or subjects with other motives, willing to spy on you and find out as much about you as possible.

Is Electrum really a spy wallet? It seemed to be very famous from my previous research?

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 05, 2024, 06:43:37 AM

Blockstream Green is a nice addition to the current list of suggestions, https://blockstream.com/green/

Blockstream Green is now simply called Green Wallet. I remember that there were issues with verifying that the code matches the binaries for this software in the past, so I looked it up on Wallet Scrutiny. Indeed, both the Android and iOS versions didn't match.
https://walletscrutiny.com/android/com.greenaddress.greenbits_android_wallet/
https://walletscrutiny.com/iphone/io.blockstream.green/

Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 05, 2024, 06:43:37 AM

Because it's a hot wallet, don't store more than $500.00 of Bitcoin in there.

Depending on who you are, that's pocket change or more than what they make in a month. While one of my buddies was still an active pro athlete, that's the kind of money he would waste on slot machines on a night out (the moron).

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Blockstream Green is a nice addition to the current list of suggestions, https://blockstream.com/green/

For the debate about the safety of your mobile devices, I believe Apple's devices are generally safer/more secure than Android devices because of Apple's walled garden. It's not invulnerable, but generally safer.

How you set up your Apple device will matter. Don't connect it to anything, like iCloud, that will upload data to their servers. iCloud was built for user convenience, and more convenience = possibly larger attack surface.

Because it's a hot wallet, don't store more than $500.00 of Bitcoin in there.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on January 02, 2024, 11:13:43 AM

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I would say that most wallets (at least the open-source ones) are equally safe, and then it all depends on how safe your device is.

I think we can argue endlessly about which wallet is the best (whether it's mobile, desktop or HW), but everyone should actually ask themselves how secure is the device on which they will use a wallet. Of course, smartphones today have become something that almost everyone has, but very few users pay attention to their security, whether it's about having some kind of antivirus program or taking into account whether their phone regularly receives security/critical updates.

Given that many smartphone users download a lot of applications (mostly unnecessary ones), there is a high probability that they will also download one with malicious intentions, and then, unfortunately, it's game over. I would just emphasize that attention should also be paid to privacy when choosing a mobile wallet, which would mean that it would be very good if the wallet already had built-in support for Tor.

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I only use two wallets. Blue wallet for iOS and Electrum wallet for android devices. Unstoppable wallet is also a good choice if you ever decide to buy altcoins.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on January 03, 2024, 02:32:28 AM

Android is open source and IOS is closed source but its not really going to make any difference.

We can say the same argument for Windows and Linux. It is true that the iOS eco system is better, but the open source system wins.

the price of Android phones is cheaper and you cant buy a new iPhone (+$500) or customize your old one only to be a bitcoin wallet, while this can be done with Android phones at a price lower than $100 or purchase an open source hardware wallet such as Passport.

Quote from: Findingnemo on January 03, 2024, 02:32:28 AM

Both these wallets are only available for Android.

Yes, because my suggestions go in the direction of choosing an open source phone.

Quote from: Findingnemo on January 04, 2024, 02:48:07 AM

Electrum and Blue wallets are good for storing small amounts of BTC on mobile and I am an Android user and using Electrum for years now.

Electrum is a good wallet but their features on Android are much less than on desktop

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on January 03, 2024, 12:57:53 AM

If you can, Samourai Wallet, and electrum are all suitable options.

Both these wallets are only available for Android.

Yamane_Keto mentioned three wallets. For some reason your quote only shows two. I don't know if you removed Blue Wallet from the list or what happened there. Anyways, Blue Wallet works with both operating systems.

The reason is these two wallets didn't meet the requirement of OP is asking for. Fake Samourai wallets roam around IOS platform that has nothing to do with the actual Samourai wallet.

Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 02, 2024, 11:12:19 AM

Apple device
Android device

Also, I wanted to say more about the Samourai wallet regarding their open source, cause their repositories haven't been updated in the last four years which raised some flags when their last update was released just a couple of months ago.

Electrum and Blue wallets are good for storing small amounts of BTC on mobile and I am an Android user and using Electrum for years now.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on January 03, 2024, 12:57:53 AM

If you can, Samourai Wallet, and electrum are all suitable options.

Both these wallets are only available for Android.

Yamane_Keto mentioned three wallets. For some reason your quote only shows two. I don't know if you removed Blue Wallet from the list or what happened there. Anyways, Blue Wallet works with both operating systems.

Quote from: Kruw on January 03, 2024, 09:51:14 AM

Just make sure you don't use Samourai Wallet, their app spies on all of your past and future Bitcoin transactions and sends it to their server.

So does Electrum, with the difference that there isn't a central server, but a long list of community-operated nodes. But those nodes can be run by harmless private entities or subjects with other motives, willing to spy on you and find out as much about you as possible.

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Quote from: Nheer on January 03, 2024, 10:07:08 AM

they are the safest online wallets and i think they are both available on iOS but i am not sure if they are both available on Android devices.

It is the other way round, they are both available on android, but Electrum is not available on ios. So if you have an ios device you have to use BlueWallet if you must choose between the two wallets.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on January 02, 2024, 11:13:43 AM

Bluewallet is open source and available in both operating systems. I'd go with that.

I would say that most wallets (at least the open-source ones) are equally safe, and then it all depends on how safe your device is.

Safety of your coins also come with the way you safeguard yourself, your wallet and your keys and choosing a safe wallet does not guarantee total safety because they are online wallets and can easily be attacked or compromised.

Online wallets can get compromised but if you are willing to risk it or you think you can be cautious enough then you should try Bluewallet or Electrum they are the safest online wallets and i think they are both available on iOS but i am not sure if they are both available on Android devices.

You can read through this thread to understand wallets better and also the best practices to ensure privacy and tight security.

[General] Bitcoin Wallets - Which, what, why?

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Zeus and Blixt are some good options for mobile, both support Lightning. Just make sure you don't use Samourai Wallet, their app spies on all of your past and future Bitcoin transactions and sends it to their server.

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Quote from: joniboini on January 03, 2024, 04:00:04 AM

... From my experience, and as far as I can tell browsing on mobile phone forums, most people are rooting their phone to customize it further. Stuff like installing custom Youtube to block ads etc. At the end of the day using a phone is just risky and anyone should be aware of the risk.

Mobile use specifically for wallets is not recommended for using various types of applications that are not needed. That's why I mentioned in the post above that if the OP cannot ensure that the mobile (Android and iOS) is truly safe without any online activity, then using a wallet will not be safe.

I followed one of the posts I came across on a forum on how to use the mobile version of the wallet even if it was only used as a small transaction. A mobile with a wallet installed cannot have more other applications, even built-in applications. If the default mobile application can be uninstalled, that also needs to be done.

You are right. The act of installing an application that functions to prevent advertising sourced from outside — third parties will ultimately be very risky.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on January 03, 2024, 02:32:28 AM

Formatting (factory reset) may not be completely secure because some malware can be buried deep into the root folders /boot and|or /recovery partitions in that case wiping data doesn't remove the existing malware.

Using TWRP to format the boot drive can probably help if your phone is infected at that level. But most newer phones need their firmware to be unlocked before they can flash a custom recovery software. CMIIW.

Quote from: Findingnemo on January 03, 2024, 02:32:28 AM

Rooting/jailbreaking gives complete access of the device so one who know what they are doing can make it useful but mostly they make it more vulnerable and they do it just to install pirated apps.

Are there any pirated Android apps that need root access though? From my experience, and as far as I can tell browsing on mobile phone forums, most people are rooting their phone to customize it further. Stuff like installing custom Youtube to block ads etc. At the end of the day using a phone is just risky and anyone should be aware of the risk.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on January 03, 2024, 12:57:53 AM

format your phone,

Formatting (factory reset) may not be completely secure because some malware can be buried deep into the root folders /boot and|or /recovery partitions in that case wiping data doesn't remove the existing malware.

For the record, cheap Android devices are found to have pre-installed malware in them so be careful with the device if you are buying one for crypto storage.

Quote from: Yamane_Keto on January 03, 2024, 12:57:53 AM

make sure that OS is open source

Android is open source and IOS is closed source but its not really going to make any difference.

Quote from: Yamane_Keto on January 03, 2024, 12:57:53 AM

that there is no root or installed apps, use the device to browse trusted sites only, making calls and avoid downloading any new apps.

Rooting/jailbreaking gives complete access of the device so one who know what they are doing can make it useful but mostly they make it more vulnerable and they do it just to install pirated apps.

Quote from: Yamane_Keto on January 03, 2024, 12:57:53 AM

If you can, Samourai Wallet, and electrum are all suitable options.

Both these wallets are only available for Android.

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Before that, you need to either buy a new phone (then the price of Hardware Wallet as Passport will be acceptable) or format your phone, make sure that OS is open source, that there is no root or installed apps, use the device to browse trusted sites only, making calls and avoid downloading any new apps. If you can, Samourai Wallet, blue wallet, and electrum are all suitable options.

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BlueWallet(and probably Phoenix for Lightning). It is fully open-source and has sleek UI/UX, so it's pretty much my go-to when recommending wallets to normies.

Of course, for higher security, you know the drill: hardware wallets.

https://bluewallet.io/
https://phoenix.acinq.co/

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All mobile wallets are unsafe on a vulnerable device or if operated by a person who doesn't know how to protect their phone and the coins stored in its wallets.
If you don't belong to that group of people, then try either Blue Wallet or Electrum. Both are safe, but Blue Wallet is a more modern and feature-rich mobile wallet compared to Electrum that lacks certain options that are available for desktop machines. It's also works on both iOS and Android systems, while Electrum only supports Android.

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Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 02, 2024, 11:12:19 AM

I know, it's not recommended to store many Coins on a mobile wallet but when it's a low amount, what wallet is most safe for mobile wallet?

No requirement to store Altcoin, Bitcoin is enough.

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I'm just connecting from what other people have mentioned here that as long as you can't ensure that the mobile wallet (IOS and Android) you use doesn't have internet access (usually people use SIM cards on mobile), then it won't be safe.

For the question of good wallets without having to support altcoins, the answer is BlueWallet and Electrum. BlueWallet supports both types of mobile (IOS and Android). Electrum is also compatible with the Android mobile version only, not the IOS version.

Electrum and BlueWallet are open source Bitcoin wallets. Open source wallets are recommended for use. The use of it (wallet) must be correct.

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Quote from: nil_krokodil on January 02, 2024, 11:12:19 AM

I know, it's not recommended to store many Coins on a mobile wallet but when it's a low amount, what wallet is most safe for mobile wallet?

If something is going to be safe depends more from you the user of wallet than from anything else.
Perfectly safe wallet doesn't exist, and even if it existed users could easily leak seed words and make other mistakes to turn it into unsafe wallet.

I would narrow your choices and select only open source wallets, something like Electrum and Green wallet, are good enough bitcoin only mobile wallets that work for mobile devices.
There are other wallets that can be useful if you want to use Lightning Network along with Bitcoin mainnet.

You can find more wallets options on the thebitcoinhole website:
https://thebitcoinhole.com/software-wallets

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Your mobile wallet is online. Online wallets are not safe like cold wallets which are offline.

My advise is that you should not hold more than the amount that you can afford to lose on mobile wallets. It is good to get yourself a cold wallet. If you can not buy a hardware wallet, you can go for wallet on airgapped device.

Or you can go for multisig wallet if you need a safe online wallet. If you have 2 or 3 phones, you can use it to setup a multisig wallet.

The wallets that I have used on mobile phone that I can recommend are Bluewallet, Electrum and Samourai. For multisig, use Electrum. Although, Bluewallet has 2-of-3 multisig which is called vault, but Electrum multisig is perfect as you can use it for up to 15 signers and also you will be able to use it for 2-of-2 multisig.

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Electrum is compatible with android mobile devices but not ios, and Electrum on mobile also lacks a lot of features, so BlueWallet is your best option. Other than being open source, you can use features like coin control or freezing utxo's, you can also customize your tx fee on BlueWallet. However take note that your funds is only as safe as the device you store it in.

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Bluewallet is open source and available in both operating systems. I'd go with that.

I would say that most wallets (at least the open-source ones) are equally safe, and then it all depends on how safe your device is.

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I know, it's not recommended to store many Coins on a mobile wallet but when it's a low amount, what wallet is most safe for mobile wallet?

No requirement to store Altcoin, Bitcoin is enough.

Only trusted sources and for

Apple device
Android device

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