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January 28, 2013, 08:59:07 PM
#57
Just a gawker here— but I'm wondering where this has gone?

MP recently lost a case on his own court where he is claiming he is entitled to keep any funds accidentally sent with the wrong amount of btc. I guess his scamming will never end.

When the whole mess collapses people should remember this scammer thread as an early signal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1480609 linky.

Right, except that's (again) exactly the opposite of what happened.

Here's the 130 + 10 being refunded: f1a1e66ba18da90b47c7b6da344dc11d22098e0b0839ae17e3bbde9308a2ac00
Here's the judges being paid: 861f4fc30f56ff2488efe86e195354ef0dc89f73be0ff1aec62707ff4ccfccb2
afac444e8ccf169f1298e8de1ea6ef0d4845d01401bef9d919923f8e740650f9

There's only two because we're not quite to the level where we can actually follow rules and instructions, as a "community".

So what now? You've presented as fact something that not only wasn't a fact, but was quite exactly the opposite of reality. You're not the first idiot to do this, and this isn't the first time you people (=idiots) do this about MPEx. The bullshit with "GLBSE has more volume when MPEx was doing per month about 10x GLBSE's LIFETIME VOLUME) back last summer readily springs to mind.

So what now? Do I ask for you to be banned? Do I ask for you to pay a fine? Do I what?

It's ok that you worthless scumbags get to interact with the people that matter. It's not ok that you don't manage to interiorize the fact that you actually are worthless, and actually are a scumbag, as a sort of structural defect. Your continued pretense to act as if forumnobody = big time Bitcoiner, same thing, is what's actually keeping you stuck in your rags, packing mud.

Not that you can possibly get it already.


Usually the person involved in the scammer accusation comes forward to state their case and its telling that MP himself wont do so but uses a "PR" account. In most cases where the accused fails to defend their actions they get a scammer tag. So the question I ask is why someone cant speak for themself and needs to use a PR flunky. Unless that scammer is using a fake account of course.

Im still waiting for Mirceau Popescu to defend himself personally or does he get a pass where no one else does ?

P.S. In almost all cases where someone uses a woman as their forum avatar they turn out to be a scammer.

Not sure what your issue is with that case - which I've just looked at.

Noone was ever accused of scamming in it - someone sending you unsolicited funds isn't scamming.  Looks like it was taken to this rota thing as a test without any attempt at sorting it out otherwise first..

Seems clear to me that MP's disagreement with the rota is NOT that he was ordered to return the funds.  It IS that he ended up paying the costs when the mistake was clearly (and admitted to be) someone else's.  If someone fucks up then THEY pay whatever costs are associated with rectifying the problem - NOT someone who was involved in the mistake without any desire, intent or action to cause the mistake.  I don't use MPEx but, from what I understand, the disclaimer that funds sent in error would be kept wasn't properly published - which is the only reason for the rota to order their return at all.

Many times people have been scammer tagged for refusing to send back money mistakenly sent to them. For example Bulanula and Terry Tibbs are two I can think of off hand. Even if a bank gives you funds by mistake and you spend them you go to jail.

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January 28, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
#56
This thread was a hell of a read. I hope you can all fix your problems in a timely manner.
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January 28, 2013, 09:49:27 AM
#55
Is it possible to have a date with the accused scammer? Do I have to speak Romanian? Sorry for slightly off-topic.

Aww that's so sweet. As it happens I'm neither Romanian nor looking for online dates.

Damn. I had a hunch that would happen.
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January 28, 2013, 03:12:14 AM
#54
Is it possible to have a date with the accused scammer? Do I have to speak Romanian? Sorry for slightly off-topic.

Aww that's so sweet. As it happens I'm neither Romanian nor looking for online dates.
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January 27, 2013, 07:38:25 PM
#53
Is it possible to have a date with the accused scammer? Do I have to speak Romanian? Sorry for slightly off-topic.
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January 27, 2013, 12:47:00 PM
#52
So the question I ask is why someone cant speak for themself and needs to use a PR flunky. Unless that scammer is using a fake account of course.

Dunno dood, maybe being the head of BTC finance takes up most of his time?

It's possible, who knows. Or maybe he's just a scammer, those are really famous for not bothering to buddy-buddy with random blokes on forums all day long.

LOL! "head of BTC finance" LOOOO! You can actually be funny, if you do not try so desperately.  Mircea manages the BTC world finances by yapping all day/night long in IRC and ego tripping, like you never seen before.
To be polite, it's used to be funny. Now it's just pathetic and really sad sight.

LOL...  "head of BTC finance" My goods, this is just getting too retarded.
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January 27, 2013, 03:47:19 AM
#51
So the question I ask is why someone cant speak for themself and needs to use a PR flunky. Unless that scammer is using a fake account of course.

Dunno dood, maybe being the head of BTC finance takes up most of his time? It's possible, who knows. Or maybe he's just a scammer, those are really famous for not bothering to buddy-buddy with random blokes on forums all day long.

But sure, go ask Mellier, Arnault, Tillerson & co why they aren't personally answering your inane bullshit, something tells me they're all scammers too. Jeez, the world has as many centers as there are nobodies.

P.S. In almost all cases where someone uses a woman as their forum avatar they turn out to be a scammer.

Afaik I'm the only woman here. Speaking of which, grow a pair, use your own fucking picture instead of hiding behind G. Peck. You'll look a lot less like an idiot trying to wield these sorts of pseudoarguments.
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January 27, 2013, 02:07:22 AM
#50
Just a gawker here— but I'm wondering where this has gone?

MP recently lost a case on his own court where he is claiming he is entitled to keep any funds accidentally sent with the wrong amount of btc. I guess his scamming will never end.

When the whole mess collapses people should remember this scammer thread as an early signal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1480609 linky.

Right, except that's (again) exactly the opposite of what happened.

Here's the 130 + 10 being refunded: f1a1e66ba18da90b47c7b6da344dc11d22098e0b0839ae17e3bbde9308a2ac00
Here's the judges being paid: 861f4fc30f56ff2488efe86e195354ef0dc89f73be0ff1aec62707ff4ccfccb2
afac444e8ccf169f1298e8de1ea6ef0d4845d01401bef9d919923f8e740650f9

There's only two because we're not quite to the level where we can actually follow rules and instructions, as a "community".

So what now? You've presented as fact something that not only wasn't a fact, but was quite exactly the opposite of reality. You're not the first idiot to do this, and this isn't the first time you people (=idiots) do this about MPEx. The bullshit with "GLBSE has more volume when MPEx was doing per month about 10x GLBSE's LIFETIME VOLUME) back last summer readily springs to mind.

So what now? Do I ask for you to be banned? Do I ask for you to pay a fine? Do I what?

It's ok that you worthless scumbags get to interact with the people that matter. It's not ok that you don't manage to interiorize the fact that you actually are worthless, and actually are a scumbag, as a sort of structural defect. Your continued pretense to act as if forumnobody = big time Bitcoiner, same thing, is what's actually keeping you stuck in your rags, packing mud.

Not that you can possibly get it already.


Usually the person involved in the scammer accusation comes forward to state their case and its telling that MP himself wont do so but uses a "PR" account. In most cases where the accused fails to defend their actions they get a scammer tag. So the question I ask is why someone cant speak for themself and needs to use a PR flunky. Unless that scammer is using a fake account of course.

Im still waiting for Mirceau Popescu to defend himself personally or does he get a pass where no one else does ?

P.S. In almost all cases where someone uses a woman as their forum avatar they turn out to be a scammer.

Not sure what your issue is with that case - which I've just looked at.

Noone was ever accused of scamming in it - someone sending you unsolicited funds isn't scamming.  Looks like it was taken to this rota thing as a test without any attempt at sorting it out otherwise first..

Seems clear to me that MP's disagreement with the rota is NOT that he was ordered to return the funds.  It IS that he ended up paying the costs when the mistake was clearly (and admitted to be) someone else's.  If someone fucks up then THEY pay whatever costs are associated with rectifying the problem - NOT someone who was involved in the mistake without any desire, intent or action to cause the mistake.  I don't use MPEx but, from what I understand, the disclaimer that funds sent in error would be kept wasn't properly published - which is the only reason for the rota to order their return at all.
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January 26, 2013, 11:57:28 PM
#49
Just a gawker here— but I'm wondering where this has gone?

MP recently lost a case on his own court where he is claiming he is entitled to keep any funds accidentally sent with the wrong amount of btc. I guess his scamming will never end.

When the whole mess collapses people should remember this scammer thread as an early signal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1480609 linky.

Right, except that's (again) exactly the opposite of what happened.

Here's the 130 + 10 being refunded: f1a1e66ba18da90b47c7b6da344dc11d22098e0b0839ae17e3bbde9308a2ac00
Here's the judges being paid: 861f4fc30f56ff2488efe86e195354ef0dc89f73be0ff1aec62707ff4ccfccb2
afac444e8ccf169f1298e8de1ea6ef0d4845d01401bef9d919923f8e740650f9

There's only two because we're not quite to the level where we can actually follow rules and instructions, as a "community".

So what now? You've presented as fact something that not only wasn't a fact, but was quite exactly the opposite of reality. You're not the first idiot to do this, and this isn't the first time you people (=idiots) do this about MPEx. The bullshit with "GLBSE has more volume when MPEx was doing per month about 10x GLBSE's LIFETIME VOLUME) back last summer readily springs to mind.

So what now? Do I ask for you to be banned? Do I ask for you to pay a fine? Do I what?

It's ok that you worthless scumbags get to interact with the people that matter. It's not ok that you don't manage to interiorize the fact that you actually are worthless, and actually are a scumbag, as a sort of structural defect. Your continued pretense to act as if forumnobody = big time Bitcoiner, same thing, is what's actually keeping you stuck in your rags, packing mud.

Not that you can possibly get it already.


Usually the person involved in the scammer accusation comes forward to state their case and its telling that MP himself wont do so but uses a "PR" account. In most cases where the accused fails to defend their actions they get a scammer tag. So the question I ask is why someone cant speak for themself and needs to use a PR flunky. Unless that scammer is using a fake account of course.

Im still waiting for Mirceau Popescu to defend himself personally or does he get a pass where no one else does ?

P.S. In almost all cases where someone uses a woman as their forum avatar they turn out to be a scammer.
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January 26, 2013, 12:44:51 PM
#48
Guys , Mircea will always be part of a dark part of the internet where nobody wants to go. He is popular around some greedy people and that is it. As for his exchange the market will decide. How many stocks are on it that are considerable to invest in? One. How many of them are not or will not be heavily regulated? Zero. The rising popularity will be their downfall. I'm calling it now and you can count on this : When everything Bitcoin related will go big, Mircea, MPEX and Satoshi Dice won't. Stop worrying , it is a non-issue.

Yeah, you were yakking the same nonsense before:

As far as i know Goat is refusing to give Nefario a BTC adress because Goat feels like giving him the adresse would be like accepting his delisting.

In my opinion MPOE-PR should NOT have started this thread. This will backfire on MPOE.

In before only cryptostocks left...

How's the backfiring coming along?
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January 26, 2013, 10:18:00 AM
#47
Guys , Mircea will always be part of a dark part of the internet where nobody wants to go. He is popular around some greedy people and that is it. As for his exchange the market will decide. How many stocks are on it that are considerable to invest in? One. How many of them are not or will not be heavily regulated? Zero. The rising popularity will be their downfall. I'm calling it now and you can count on this : When everything Bitcoin related will go big, Mircea, MPEX and Satoshi Dice won't. Stop worrying , it is a non-issue.
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January 26, 2013, 09:54:08 AM
#46
Just a gawker here— but I'm wondering where this has gone?

MP recently lost a case on his own court where he is claiming he is entitled to keep any funds accidentally sent with the wrong amount of btc. I guess his scamming will never end.

When the whole mess collapses people should remember this scammer thread as an early signal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1480609 linky.

LOL, did those evil judges get negative OTC rating form that megalomaniac Popescu?

Looks like at least one did:
Quote
15373    mircea_popescu    pigeons    202    2013-01-22 06:21:56    -1    Killed my baby. http://v.gd/2ZVQQY

and here is this scammer whining about it.

I am not a religious person and stay as neutral as possible. But for fuck sake, this attention starved lunatic mircea popescu even burned a Qur'an and made a video of his "brave" act (see youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuvMSjL6UcU).
I guess he really wants to be "famous".
 I wonder, how low can this scumbag Mircea Popescus sink, before rest of you start realizing that you are dealing with a lunatic.

Fkn monkey in a suit.
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January 26, 2013, 08:18:04 AM
#45
Just a gawker here— but I'm wondering where this has gone?

MP recently lost a case on his own court where he is claiming he is entitled to keep any funds accidentally sent with the wrong amount of btc. I guess his scamming will never end.

When the whole mess collapses people should remember this scammer thread as an early signal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1480609 linky.

Right, except that's (again) exactly the opposite of what happened.

Here's the 130 + 10 being refunded: f1a1e66ba18da90b47c7b6da344dc11d22098e0b0839ae17e3bbde9308a2ac00
Here's the judges being paid: 861f4fc30f56ff2488efe86e195354ef0dc89f73be0ff1aec62707ff4ccfccb2
afac444e8ccf169f1298e8de1ea6ef0d4845d01401bef9d919923f8e740650f9

There's only two because we're not quite to the level where we can actually follow rules and instructions, as a "community".

So what now? You've presented as fact something that not only wasn't a fact, but was quite exactly the opposite of reality. You're not the first idiot to do this, and this isn't the first time you people (=idiots) do this about MPEx. The bullshit with "GLBSE has more volume when MPEx was doing per month about 10x GLBSE's LIFETIME VOLUME) back last summer readily springs to mind.

So what now? Do I ask for you to be banned? Do I ask for you to pay a fine? Do I what?

It's ok that you worthless scumbags get to interact with the people that matter. It's not ok that you don't manage to interiorize the fact that you actually are worthless, and actually are a scumbag, as a sort of structural defect. Your continued pretense to act as if forumnobody = big time Bitcoiner, same thing, is what's actually keeping you stuck in your rags, packing mud.

Not that you can possibly get it already.
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January 26, 2013, 07:05:06 AM
#44
Gigavps and the scam he is pulling has a separate thread. This is about you 2

Looks like fluffygrrl (MPOE-PR) and Mircea Popescu's polimedia.us are not new to spamming and scamming



Just search for: spam polimedia.us or fluffygrrl spam etc.

Nice PR fuck up, Mircea.

OMG what did she buy on SR?
She looks very        Fucked Up!
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January 26, 2013, 06:52:45 AM
#43
Just a gawker here— but I'm wondering where this has gone?

MP recently lost a case on his own court where he is claiming he is entitled to keep any funds accidentally sent with the wrong amount of btc. I guess his scamming will never end.

When the whole mess collapses people should remember this scammer thread as an early signal.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1480609 linky.
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January 26, 2013, 04:57:59 AM
#42
Just a gawker here— but I'm wondering where this has gone?
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January 17, 2013, 04:10:20 AM
#41
I have asked Mircea to claim again. Below is the chat log from IRC.

Code:
 sup
payments have resumed
for verified claims
cool!
please send in your info so i don't have to deal with your delisting mess
that's done already.
what?
the delisting ? back in wherever it was, 1st of december ?
it's done, dealt with, water under the bridge.
so you are not going to claim and keep paying your mpex clients?
i'm really not going to rehash this two months later either.
ok, just making sure
i'll make a post about it
mind if I use this log on the forums?
*shrug*
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129544
that thread was started by ppl who hold your ETF
in it, -pr said things would be taken care of regarding fiduciary duty and such
so if you wanted, you could make the payments yourself
https://virtualprocessingsolutions.com/
has a list of the per unit output
2012-10-08 would start the backlog
alrighty. there's the rota process for people who are interested in it, no big deal.
ok, let me just ask again, do you mind if I post this chat in the forums?
nope
awesome, thanks

Maybe you should add muppet Popescu's last night rants on that topic too.
BTW, the sing along, performed by some of his loyal and not so bright sock puppets, was also "entertaining". 
 
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January 16, 2013, 04:01:25 PM
#40
I have asked Mircea to claim again. Below is the chat log from IRC.

Code:
 sup
payments have resumed
for verified claims
cool!
please send in your info so i don't have to deal with your delisting mess
that's done already.
what?
the delisting ? back in wherever it was, 1st of december ?
it's done, dealt with, water under the bridge.
so you are not going to claim and keep paying your mpex clients?
i'm really not going to rehash this two months later either.
ok, just making sure
i'll make a post about it
mind if I use this log on the forums?
*shrug*
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129544
that thread was started by ppl who hold your ETF
in it, -pr said things would be taken care of regarding fiduciary duty and such
so if you wanted, you could make the payments yourself
https://virtualprocessingsolutions.com/
has a list of the per unit output
2012-10-08 would start the backlog
alrighty. there's the rota process for people who are interested in it, no big deal.
ok, let me just ask again, do you mind if I post this chat in the forums?
nope
awesome, thanks
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December 10, 2012, 07:39:40 PM
#39
I think you are on the right track here.  MP definitely wanted to short the piss out of any GLBSE asset.  Also the total number of F.GIGA.ETF shares available on the market was over 900,000 (which was the original IPO level).  I know because I tried to corner the market but ran out of funds around 1.2M shares. The question is, was this term of the contract violated "The Owner will never own less shares of the underlying than the total float of this asset implies."



MP has a long history of shorting idiocy, which has something to do with GLBSE only in the sense that a lot of it was gathering there at some time. Short assets were however marked/described as such, and synthetics idem (such as for instance pure.synth, which was incidentally unwound in an orderly fashion a while back).
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December 10, 2012, 07:10:16 PM
#38
I have an amusing theory.  Only a theory, but one consistent with the known facts.

MP doesn't own any Giga bonds.

Let's look at the known facts:

MP bought a bunch of Giga
MP ran a pass-through based on those bonds
MP was apparently not making any profit from those bonds (claimed by MPOE-PR) other than any extra custom it brought in MPEX' direction.
MP had a very low opinion of securitiess on GLBSE and of GLBSE itself - and actively sought opportunities to short them.

So isn't the obvious scenario that those giga bonds were sold on the market and the pass-through effectively acted as a short on them with the following benefits over a 'normal' short:

No expiry date or means for the short to be recalled/expired.
No premium paid on dividends or up-front.

With the upgrade pending to teramining there was no conceivable way this could fail to profitable - as the pass-through obviously wouldn't upgrade and then the bonds would sink to near zero value (and cost to mantain) and could be bought back on the market at bargain-basement prices and the issue closed out.

Only way this could possibly go wrong is if for some unforeseen reason there was suddenly a requirement to prove ownership.  And that's what just happened.

There's no way to PROVE this is what happened if MP claims he hasn't even registered a claim with GLBSE - that is until the total bonds claimed gets so near to the actual outstanding ones that there's no longer enough unclaimed yet to cover the ones supposedly held by MPEX.

Using the pass-through as a means to short makes a lot of sense.  It's consistent with all the known facts.  But is it the truth?  I don't know - but it's an amusing theory if nothing else.  And of course it's very easy to disprove (if untrue) - just needs MP to submit an email/BTC address to GLBSE and have Giga confirm that the correct number of bonds is associated with that address.


I'm sure this theory is true. A spammer is always a scammer.

Even if that theory is true it doesn't of itself make it a scam.  It would only have been a scam if the contract wasn't honoured - e.g. if the contract stated the Giga bonds had to be kept (rather than just paying out to mirror the performance of actual bonds).  It'd be like running a fixed-rate mining bond without actual hardware - same benefit (a loss) for investors and less hassle/similar profit for the operator.  Nothing intrinsically scammy about it - obviously then stopping paying dividends/deleting the asset data is a different issue: as that implies actual possession of the Giga bonds (as if they'd been shorted and the contract was for "benefits equivalent to" rather than "benefits from" then there'd be no reason to stop paying if GLBSE got closed, giga got adbucted by aliens or whatever).

I think you are on the right track here.  MP definitely wanted to short the piss out of any GLBSE asset.  Also the total number of F.GIGA.ETF shares available on the market was over 900,000 (which was the original IPO level).  I know because I tried to corner the market but ran out of funds around 1.2M shares. The question is, was this term of the contract violated "The Owner will never own less shares of the underlying than the total float of this asset implies."

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