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Topic: Mt. Gox drops to 20, reconsidering your mining rigs? (Read 6699 times)

hero member
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The same way they shut down pokerstars and fulltiltpoker whenever they decided they wanted to (both of which were based in other countries). Seize the domain and put scary FBI warning signs up (like the one currently on http://bookmaker.com/ which they also did it to) warning people to stay away.

Concentrated sites are easy to take down.

Register the domain in Russia, Finland, Switzerland, Japan, or Cocos Islands -> Problem solved.

Besides, pokerstars.com and fulltiltpoker.com work just fine at the moment, and the .net domains were never down to begin with & their site was fully operational the whole time. I follow the news.

They're fine now because they struck deals with the US DoJ to do so.

Listen, I love bitcoin as much as anyone else, but the fact of the matter is, it is not impossible to stop...or at least wound very severely.
newbie
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Yeah, sure, Bitcoin being at 16.5 (currently) sucks, but I'm not really losing anything.  I've basically refused to toss in any of my personal money directly into buying bitcoins.  I have used my money however to buy hardware, so if Bitcoin regrettably tanks, I can just sell that and be left only with my losses paying for electricity (some of which will be covered by the bitcoins I'm generating now).  Best m.o. for now if you asked me.
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you need another option:  am satisfied with my rig, no plans to increase or decrease mining operations.

in another thread someone mentioned the relation between price and difficulty at difficulty divided by 25,000.  at current difficulty, that puts the price at $22.69, which is pretty close to the point the mt gox price seems to be swinging around.  of course, the denominator, 25000, will go down as more FRNs show up in the market.

in any case, i can see no reason to panic.
full member
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Gits !!!  you got me all excited, saying it was $10 $12

I went on MT Gox, ready to part with $1k, only to find the price over $20

gits,

LOL

legendary
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This thread needs to get renamed -- not $20, but $12!

No, it is $10 now.
sr. member
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This thread needs to get renamed -- not $20, but $12!
full member
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Lol for some reason this just made me think of a little sheep.exe program that floated around in the late 90's.  You could run as many copies as you want and each copy creates a little bleating sheep that you can throw around you screen.  Anyone else remember that?
newbie
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lol most sheep only have one browser open, and its pointing to 'sheepegg.com' rofl rofl
hero member
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Honestly looking at all the new "help me build my new rig" threads that are still popping up, looks like most sheep aren't even really aware of the happenings. Whether that's good or bad, who knows.
member
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lol, the sheeps are in panic mode. trust me, they'll be back - after the next BTC price explosion.
legendary
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Won't take long until MtGox is empty!
Only ~150k USD in bids until 10 USD has been reached...

The market needs both BTC and (even more) USD very fast or it might become _very_ volatile.

Nice weekend for gamblers, just earned another BTC on a price swing.
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The BTC Market cleans up itself, pushing the sheeps out of it.
full member
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Wow great time to buy people!  It will go back up early next week I suspect.

Dwolla transfers were holding things up + its the weekend now!
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wow back down to 13 last night.

I bought mass at 13.6. Thanks to whoever panicked, lol.

...and that is the reaction I wish I had the money for...when the price drops buy more...it will go back up, its always easy to make money on peoples panics.  I spent all my available funds on mining rigs.
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You do know that MtGox website is registered under someone that is on U.S. soil, right?

You do know that MtGox is only an exchange and Bitcoin does not need it to succeed, right?

Unfortunately most people are using bitcoin as nothing more than a cash cow. If the exchanges go away, people have no way to convert it to their currency. When people have no way to convert it to their currency, it becomes worthless to those people. Let's be realistic, how many people do you think went into this without the thought of making money? My guess is very few. What bitcoin needs to survive the gov't attacks is trust in the buyers. Trust in the buyers = more buyers = more demand = rising value. However, there seems to be more sellers than buyers at this moment. Even if bitcoin survives the initial gov't attacks, there is the possibility of it gaining popularity and eventually rivaling the ever falling U.S. dollar. It's a slim chance but a chance nonetheless. Here is a fact. The gov't has swiftfully and successfully shut down any currency that has ever been a threat to the U.S. Dollar. The Liberty Dollar and e-gold are prime examples of such. Would be interesting to see what would happen.

The Liberty dollar people got in trouble for calling their money "dollars" along with other similarities to real US currency.  My understanding is that they were busted for insinuating their money was backed the same way as the federal government...Bitcoin has never made any statements about value...it has been clear from the start that it is only worth what people will pay for it...like a baseball card (remember when those were worth something).

From wikipedia:
§ 514. Fictitious obligations

(a) Whoever, with the intent to defraud—
(1) draws, prints, processes, produces, publishes, or otherwise makes, or attempts or causes the same, within the United States;
(2) passes, utters, presents, offers, brokers, issues, sells, or attempts or causes the same, or with like intent possesses, within the United States; or
(3) utilizes interstate or foreign commerce, including the use of the mails or wire, radio, or other electronic communication, to transmit, transport, ship, move, transfer, or attempts or causes the same, to, from, or through the United States,
any false or fictitious instrument, document, or other item appearing, representing, purporting, or contriving through scheme or artifice, to be an actual security or other financial instrument issued under the authority of the United States, a foreign government, a State or other political subdivision of the United States, or an organization, shall be guilty of a class B felony.
(b) For purposes of this section, any term used in this section that is defined in section 513 (c) has the same meaning given such term in section 513 (c).
(c) The United States Secret Service, in addition to any other agency having such authority, shall have authority to investigate offenses under this section.

The minting of Liberty dollars also appears to be in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 486:

    Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
legendary
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wow back down to 13 last night.

I bought mass at 13.6. Thanks to whoever panicked, lol.
Damn, I sold my play money on MtGox @ ~30 but bought back in @ ~28 and went to sleep...

Tonight I'll stay awake...

Playing with volatile markets is fun - especially when you win a few bitcoins in the process! Smiley
sr. member
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wow back down to 13 last night.

I bought mass at 13.6. Thanks to whoever panicked, lol.
hero member
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wow back down to 13 last night.
newbie
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The same way they shut down pokerstars and fulltiltpoker whenever they decided they wanted to (both of which were based in other countries). Seize the domain and put scary FBI warning signs up (like the one currently on http://bookmaker.com/ which they also did it to) warning people to stay away.

Concentrated sites are easy to take down.

Register the domain in Russia, Finland, Switzerland, Japan, or Cocos Islands -> Problem solved.

You know that Cocos Islands domain registration is controlled by a VeriSign company, right?
member
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Has todays sudden volatile sell-off scared you people newly into bitcoin from building all those fancy expensive new mining farms, or are you still happy @ $20/BTC?

Curious to see how people are reacting to todays drop, biggest in bitcoin history I think (numerically, perhaps not percentage wise), and how it will effect future mining prospects.

EDIT: It is back up to 24 now, but the concept of volatility and potential downward trending of price rather than upward is still a concern for some people I imagine.

It dropped almost without a doubt due to pent up volume of people wanting to sell and cash out through MtGox and Dwolla, but were waiting on the trade until they got things working again.  To me, the drop was expected.   Further evidence of this is that TradeHill for a small while went UP at the same time and topped $30 for a bit with their "Instant Payout" before also dropping [but always higher than MtGox which suggests that MtGox trades were driving the drop].  This may actually be a good point to buy, but what do I know.  Personally, this feels like the natural price [as the market seems at the moment] right now and it will probably flutter around this amount until the next difficulty rise when it tends to go up again.  I don't know, but I think the price support seems to be driven by miners continuously putting new hardware online which has been keeping the blocks/hour roughly at 8-9 for weeks now [which is too high!] and thus supplying and adequate supply of coins to new people speculating a little in the market who are hearing of this for the first time.  I have a post elsewhere with my theory on how this is all going to play out and it is not pretty for the small miners (each day or difficulty jump, the hashing rate which defines "small" is growing and if people are investing money they can't afford or using credit to build rigs, then they are taking a huge risk, especially if they are "small" or will be "small" in a few weeks or even months).  Price is all that is supporting the current mine effort; two months back, but at today's difficulty and you would look at the price and walk away without thinking twice about building a rig).

What do people think a bitcoin is really worth anyway?  What do you think a house is really worth?  

The answer to both these questions depends on when you ask the question.  A lot of people were burned by not asking themselves the same question when they purchased their homes.  Bitcoin is different though; TradeHill for instance offers a lot of options to use funds from bitcoin trades.  I don't think large vendors, the type to draw common consumers, will be accepting bitcoins anytime soon, but trading bazaars and such may act as a proxy and that could change things a bit.  

I posted elsewhere in these forums [I don't recall where], my, perhaps crazy and maybe cynical theory of relatively near term future of the bitcoin economy.  My fear is that the large scale mining may actually ruin it [I think the intention was to have lots and lots of people easily mining over time at a relatively constant rate and not just a few individuals doing most of it at accelerating rates which is where we are headed ... the acceleration is real NOW or we would come to rest at about 6 blocks per hour].
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