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legendary
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As vapourminer above, there are more that are still lurkign around and there are some who have stopped talking about it in public.
Yep, I know one more forum member that had money lost in mt.gox so surely there must be more of them around.


People should be happy because they got their money back, wtf.
Thing is, vast majorify of those people got over that loss long time ago and thought that they will never see that money again, so no wonder that they are actually happy about it. Especially since btc is worth way more than it was back in the day.
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I'm not sore if you're aware of this, but many people sold their accounts here on bitcointalk for a fraction of the value. When Gox said it's a temporary issue some believers were offering 75 or 50 cents on the dollar for accounts, thinking they'd make a quick buck when it comes back online, but it never did.

Those guys must have gained back the most money if they held their coins from the account sale all this time.
Think I heard a number of $9.4 billion worth of bitcoin. Not sure if this number is accurate but from the look at the current markets this morning, it does seem to be being sold to drop the price of bitcoin so low.

I’m not sure that I feel blessed by this mtgox nonsense for so long. Honestly I just want to get it behind me. It is a nice chunk of change though. I think I had around $7,500 on mtgox when they went under and now I’m getting around $150K back (supposedly) around 10 years later. Sure, it’s hard to complain about, but this has dragged on for a decade…

I’m not sure that I feel blessed by this mtgox nonsense for so long. Honestly I just want to get it behind me. It is a nice chunk of change though. I think I had around $7,500 on mtgox when they went under and now I’m getting around $150K back (supposedly) around 10 years later. Sure, it’s hard to complain about, but this has dragged on for a decade…
Take the lesson and this is truly worthy of being considered a blessing. You get your money back after being lost from you so long - but you get bigger rewards in return. $150K has never been a small thing for me - and neither have most people, but if you've earned it back then congratulations on that, OgNasty. If this $7,500 was kept in a bank account for 10 years - then I am sure today we would have lost a lot of things to buy due to inflation. But luckily - it's in bitcoin despite the Mtgox debacle.
What matters is whether the $7.5k was just a portion of his assets and he was fine even without it or if it was all he had at the time. Why are many people still unhappy even though they have received compensation many times larger than the amount lost? Because the collapse of Mt.gox caused them a lot of trouble at that time, some people even committed suicide because of it. That's why I say that the amount of compensation that many of us dream of, but will not be enough to compensate the victims for what they have had to go through.

If he deposits 7.5k$ in the bank, he will not receive any profit and even purchasing power will decrease due to inflation. But at least he can withdraw that money at any time and can make ends meet.

I guess OgNasty is the only person left on the forum who is a victim of Mt.gox and he is the only one with the most accurate answer to this topic, none of us have ever had to go through what Mt .gox caused him.
Oh really?
Well he would know exactly how much they are giving their customers for the repayments.
Also how much of the hodl in the amount they should be giving back aswell.
legendary
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Of course the term blessing in disguise is not applicable to all victim since many had already sold their rights, some had committed suicide but as I stated, for those who exercise patience, their supposed to be lost fund from hacking will be delivered to them although not in full but still brings much profit.
If someone keeps your money for 10 years and then returns only part of it to you at the end, that is not a profit but a pure loss. The most common bank would pay a profit dividend on borrowed money.
Looking for anything good in mtGox case (like all similar ones) is a big mistake. People should be happy because they got their money back, wtf.
legendary
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the btc i will keep but i will dump the bch.

This is the way!

I guess OgNasty is the only person left on the forum who is a victim of Mt.gox and he is the only one with the most accurate answer to this topic, none of us have ever had to go through what Mt .gox caused him.

As vapourminer above, there are more that are still lurkign around and there are some who have stopped talking about it in public.
I frequently check subs like mtgoxinsolvency on reddit and there are a few guys active still there but silent on the forum about the issue.

Also, that's the price of BTC, since they will not be getting all their coins back, estimations are at 21%, so in fiat terms, it will be more like 2,000%,
so 20x, if you were to throw in a 33% inflation, that's final gains of 1500% or 15x.

Good calculation and as we see,  it is a profit for the many since I think most of these people could have sold their BTC for less than$1000 - $2000.

That thing is hard to quantify, it's about what if....
I remember that there was a guy mentioned either in the WO or on some other topic that sent money when everybody wanted about the collapse, he bought in the crash, I always wanted to go back and search for him but never had the patience of going through hundreds of pages.
In theory he wold have doubled his money on the spot just then, so he's looking at 40x now at least!


legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
I guess OgNasty is the only person left on the forum who is a victim of Mt.gox and he is the only one with the most accurate answer to this topic, none of us have ever had to go through what Mt .gox caused him.

no. many of us are still here.

i myself wrote my mtgox balance off loooong ago. so getting it back (well ~20%) in btc/bch is very nice as its not considered taxable under capitol gains this way. its only taxed when converted so something else (fiat/whatever). so the btc stays.

but i will dump the bch.
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I’m not sure that I feel blessed by this mtgox nonsense for so long. Honestly I just want to get it behind me. It is a nice chunk of change though. I think I had around $7,500 on mtgox when they went under and now I’m getting around $150K back (supposedly) around 10 years later. Sure, it’s hard to complain about, but this has dragged on for a decade…
Take the lesson and this is truly worthy of being considered a blessing. You get your money back after being lost from you so long - but you get bigger rewards in return. $150K has never been a small thing for me - and neither have most people, but if you've earned it back then congratulations on that, OgNasty. If this $7,500 was kept in a bank account for 10 years - then I am sure today we would have lost a lot of things to buy due to inflation. But luckily - it's in bitcoin despite the Mtgox debacle.

What matters is whether the $7.5k was just a portion of his assets and he was fine even without it or if it was all he had at the time. Why are many people still unhappy even though they have received compensation many times larger than the amount lost? Because the collapse of Mt.gox caused them a lot of trouble at that time, some people even committed suicide because of it. That's why I say that the amount of compensation that many of us dream of, but will not be enough to compensate the victims for what they have had to go through.

If he deposits 7.5k$ in the bank, he will not receive any profit and even purchasing power will decrease due to inflation. But at least he can withdraw that money at any time and can make ends meet.

I guess OgNasty is the only person left on the forum who is a victim of Mt.gox and he is the only one with the most accurate answer to this topic, none of us have ever had to go through what Mt .gox caused him.
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Is there anyone who counted on getting anything back after all these years? Personally, I wrote off the loss years ago and forgot about it.

In any case, I went through the claims process (which was something akin to a collaboration between Franz Kafka and Rube Goldberg). While my claim was approved, it remains clear as mud as to how much (if anything) I'll be receiving. The figures I'm seeing on my personal claims website don't make much sense.

One quick question if anyone knows offhand: If I opted for cash only, do I get much less than receiving BTC/BCH? Or did they at least sell at reasonable exchange rates comparable to today's?
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I’m not sure that I feel blessed by this mtgox nonsense for so long. Honestly I just want to get it behind me. It is a nice chunk of change though. I think I had around $7,500 on mtgox when they went under and now I’m getting around $150K back (supposedly) around 10 years later. Sure, it’s hard to complain about, but this has dragged on for a decade…
Take the lesson and this is truly worthy of being considered a blessing. You get your money back after being lost from you so long - but you get bigger rewards in return. $150K has never been a small thing for me - and neither have most people, but if you've earned it back then congratulations on that, OgNasty. If this $7,500 was kept in a bank account for 10 years - then I am sure today we would have lost a lot of things to buy due to inflation. But luckily - it's in bitcoin despite the Mtgox debacle.
legendary
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It's 10,000% not 10,000x!
So if you had 100 you get 10 000, not 1 000 000!

Yeah, it was a typo, thanks for pointing that out.

Also, that's the price of BTC, since they will not be getting all their coins back, estimations are at 21%, so in fiat terms, it will be more like 2,000%,
so 20x, if you were to throw in a 33% inflation, that's final gains of 1500% or 15x.

Good calculation and as we see,  it is a profit for the many since I think most of these people could have sold their BTC for less than$1000 - $2000.



With this thing happening, I believe the Mt. Gox hack after the authority recovered the fund became a blessing in disguise for victims who exercise patience. Your thought?



I wouldn't consider this a blessing in disguise, it's more like torture. Because over the past 10 years, the victims have had to endure so many hardships and humiliations, some even lost their lives because of this, how can it be called a blessing?
I don't deny that Mt.gox has returned BTC and many people are making profits based on the current bitcoin price and maybe it is the profit that many people dream of. But is that worth it and enough to compensate those who have waited for the past 10 years? And in those 10 years, just because of the collapse of Mt.gox, many people lost their homes, many people lost their families, lost their futures and even lost their lives. Is the compensation now worth it and considered a blessing? If someone thinks this is a blessing, it means they agree and support the idea that exchanges should continue to collapse as Mt.gox did.

Not to mention I'm wondering, how many victims of that year's incident are still following the incident and know about this news, and how many people have received the bitcoins refunded by Mt.gox. Personally, I don't believe in the numbers they give in the near future.


Of course the term blessing in disguise is not applicable to all victim since many had already sold their rights, some had committed suicide but as I stated, for those who exercise patience, their supposed to be lost fund from hacking will be delivered to them although not in full but still brings much profit.

I’m not sure that I feel blessed by this mtgox nonsense for so long. Honestly I just want to get it behind me. It is a nice chunk of change though. I think I had around $7,500 on mtgox when they went under and now I’m getting around $150K back (supposedly) around 10 years later. Sure, it’s hard to complain about, but this has dragged on for a decade…

I feel you, I saw the news and lots of emotion during the collapse of Mt. Gox, I really feel sorry for the victims that time especially those who were caught empty-handed, and those who took their lives of bankruptcy due to the said collapse.  It has been stressful, yes, since it took a decade but at the end of the tunnel, those who does not give up still possibly get rewarded with more than what they had invested in fiat equivalent during those time.  I am not in the position to say that it is enough for the troubles, I am only looking at it objectively from a point of fiat equivalent during the time of investment and fiat equivalent on the scheduled distribution.
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I’m not sure that I feel blessed by this mtgox nonsense for so long. Honestly I just want to get it behind me. It is a nice chunk of change though. I think I had around $7,500 on mtgox when they went under and now I’m getting around $150K back (supposedly) around 10 years later. Sure, it’s hard to complain about, but this has dragged on for a decade…
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It's a great news and I'm happy to hear that all those victims or their families if they aren't alive can get 100x profits by not being able to sell their locked Bitcoin for 10 years. It was a quite sad news for the victims when they heard that all their Bitcoin holdings were hacked and they won't be able to sell their holdings.

Many of them might regretted that why they have deposited their Bitcoin at Mt. GOX at first place and a few of those might gave up on it. The talks about Mt. GOX return plan have been going for a long time now but finally the ones who were eagerly waiting for it will get their money back. It's surely a blessing in disguise but I fear it may be the cause of huge dump if Mt. GOX allow all users to withdraw their Bitcoin.
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The case of Mt-Gox has been going on for a long time and it is being heard that they are returning funds to their creditors. But every time they fail, i.e. go back on their word. But anyway, this time I think that they will return the victims funds to their creditors, which is worth $9 billion dollars. And yes, I think the creditors will also be happy with the fund return.
 
Selling pressure may be around for a while - but I don't think everyone will put the coin into the market. Some creditors are experienced users - they will hold and capitalize on the next bull cycle, while others will sell and earn the profit.
Yep mate, that is true that there can be selling pressure. But in my opinion, most of these creditors will be experienced people, that is, those creditors who are still affiliated with this crypto field, so there is no doubt that they will know very well that Bitcoin is a rare thing because at this time. When the Mt-Gox exchange collapsed, the price of Bitcion was $900, but now the price of Bitcoin has reached $73k. Therefore, those creators will likely choose to retain their Bitcoin holdings rather than sell them.
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What a twist! this is surely major news in the crypto industry and we will see a major change in the price because obviously they have been patient enough to hold up to this long and might already have a list of what to buy when they receive it.

Nevertheless, it could be bad for the market because the price will drop but honestly, a chance for the other investors as well because after it, they can buy bitcoins at a lower price once again, and a blessing in disguise too for the long-term investors.

Let's just follow the news about it because this is one of the major events in the crypto industry right now and witnessing such a scenario is an honor we are also happy for the victims to get back what they have lost with multiple folds.
legendary
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In hindsight that's the case, that the hack is a blessing in disguise for the people that have their bitcoin in Mt. Gox at that time but in the context of what happened, I don't think that it's any kind of blessing at all because it's still a stolen bitcoin/property and there's people that were hurt by that action so I'm not really thrilled in the possibility that it's a blessing if we factor in all of the stuff that's happened plus some people might not even get the just restitution with all the pain and misery that they've endured all throughout the process but hopefully though they do get what they deserve and that they enjoy getting it because it's not going to be anything but blessing to them despite what I think of this situation.
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It's been a hot topic these days that the collapsed exchange Mt. Gox will begin paying back thousands of users in a few days.  I am in no way saying that getting hacked is good but considering the current situation of the victims who are supposed to receive the refund, they would be gaining more than 10,000x profit[1].  

It's 10,000% not 10,000x!
So if you had 100 you get 10 000, not 1 000 000!

Also, that's the price of BTC, since they will not be getting all their coins back, estimations are at 21%, so in fiat terms, it will be more like 2,000%,
so 20x, if you were to throw in a 33% inflation, that's final gains of 1500% or 15x.



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With this thing happening, I believe the Mt. Gox hack after the authority recovered the fund became a blessing in disguise for victims who exercise patience. Your thought?



I wouldn't consider this a blessing in disguise, it's more like torture. Because over the past 10 years, the victims have had to endure so many hardships and humiliations, some even lost their lives because of this, how can it be called a blessing?
I don't deny that Mt.gox has returned BTC and many people are making profits based on the current bitcoin price and maybe it is the profit that many people dream of. But is that worth it and enough to compensate those who have waited for the past 10 years? And in those 10 years, just because of the collapse of Mt.gox, many people lost their homes, many people lost their families, lost their futures and even lost their lives. Is the compensation now worth it and considered a blessing? If someone thinks this is a blessing, it means they agree and support the idea that exchanges should continue to collapse as Mt.gox did.

Not to mention I'm wondering, how many victims of that year's incident are still following the incident and know about this news, and how many people have received the bitcoins refunded by Mt.gox. Personally, I don't believe in the numbers they give in the near future.
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Some creditors will definitely sell the bitcoins they get Mtgox this will obviously have an impact on the market if Mtgox will release $9 billion in hacked funds first returned, it's just not that this is distributed gradually meaning not all at once?

Imagine those who have waited 10 years from the bitcoin price of $600 at the current price, in my opinion it is a blessing in disguise but we see how creditors are tired of waiting longer, then what if Mtgox delays again which is not clear?

I hope all Mtgox creditors get their rights.
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With this thing happening, I believe the Mt. Gox hack after the authority recovered the fund became a blessing in disguise for victims who exercise patience. Your thought?
I appreciate the fact that the hacked funds were recovered and after a decade it is been returned to the owners. Many people lost money in exchanges and have not recovered it to date. The price of Bitcoin has appreciated which is also a plus to these victims. But we shouldn't fail to acknowledge the fact that some of these victims might not be alive to enjoy these refunds because they are dead. Others suffered from health problems because of the shock and frustration of not accessing their investment. Some people invested with their retirement benefits while others might have used borrowed money to invest.

The pain and frustration they went through over the years cannot be equated to financial benefit.  Mt. Gox hack might be a blessing to some victims but to others, it is a curse because it brought sickness, frustration, fear, debt, and even death.
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Also there's this:
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The recovery plan approved by creditors’ vote gave them two options.
The first is an “early exit” option which pays out about 21% of their total assets (some Bitcoin assets are expected to be received as fiat money at a lower historical conversion rate than the current one). The second is of higher risk where, if the plan succeeds, the expected payout is about 23.5% of the original assets (but may also be less than that) paid out over several years.
This means that you will be getting 100x profit, but on roughly 1/4 of the money you held there.

Last but not least, you could sell your claim during the trial if you wanted to and many profit-oriented people did. Remember that we're talking about a process that took 10 years. Some people died never receiving a penny and their families sold their claims after their death.
With this, I'm expecting to see so much drama around the refund because it simply means that what will actually happen as the refund will be far less than what was expected. This should be my first time seeing that some persons have already used other options to collect what they can and moved one. This should also be my first time learning that they will be paying about 1/4th of the total assets  and also the spread over many years. This shows the entire thing is not clear yet and until the first refund is actually done, we might not be able to measure the impact on the market.

To much drama created its because to many people doubt if what Mt.gox saying is true. That's why there's a lot of doubts or anything if they can still get their money back from them. I understand that there are people sell their claims since this is the only option they can get since at least they can get something from their claims then move on. If I am the one who experience that maybe I will also sell my claims then move on since the pressure I can get from those incident maybe not worth it since as we heard from certain news spreading some claimant already died without getting something that's why its better to take action than getting unnecessary stress.

If this hacking incident maybe a blessing as disguise for existing victims which have strong belief that they can get something then I guess they deserve that since imagine their experience for sure they suffer for devastating loss and that gives so much stress for them. Hopefully this refund would really happen since to many people really want to get their money back from Mt.gox.
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I am in no way saying that getting hacked is good but considering the current situation of the victims who are supposed to receive the refund, they would be gaining more than 10,000x profit[1].

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/01/mt-gox-about-to-unload-9-billion-of-bitcoin-what-it-means-for-btc.html

Aside from what other member said, it seems total BTC, BCH and fiat for reimbursement is less than total profit if they manage to HODL until today. I also think it's not blessing in disguise if the victim had any financial difficulty between Mt Gox got hacked and today, where their BTC could be used to help their financial difficulty.
Yes, and how it can be considered as a blessing in disguise when it's been dragging us for years? Some might have outlived and never got the chance to get their money back and they are going to be paid in a fraction from what they have lost. And those who lost money here has been battling their sanity for the rest of the ordeal as some of them have their life saving on Mt. Gox prior to the hack.

If there is something from the Mt. Gox is that is remains as the skeleton in the closet for some of us here. And maybe they are no longer active here because of what had happen and few only remains to see that finally, they will get something in return.
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