yep! of course. and thats only the tip of the iceberg. he is a fat dirty liar since years.
QFT. I can't believe anyone is at all surprised by this, it was just so fucking blatant! 
Topic: Mt. Gox Knew It Was Selling Phantom Bitcoin 2 Weeks Before Collapse - page 2. (Read 5496 times)
March 18, 2014, 12:23:51 PM
March 18, 2014, 12:20:00 PM
Full Tilt Poker was crediting player accounts with deposits without taking the money from their bank accounts for about three months before they went down. Pretty damn similar to whats going on here.
March 18, 2014, 12:13:17 PM
The article is borderline lying. Read the actual bankruptcy filing, and it states that while the theft occurred on the 7th, they didn't discover it until the 24th.
While they may have known sooner, the "anonymous email sources" are not telling the truth about what Mt. Gox stated in their filing.
While they may have known sooner, the "anonymous email sources" are not telling the truth about what Mt. Gox stated in their filing.
March 18, 2014, 12:00:34 PM
his bad coding "may" explain the "possibility" that malleability caused "some" losses.
but 740k of coins, no way
and the malleability does not have anything to do with FIAT loses. so i look forward to how he tries to explain his way out of stealing the fiat
but 740k of coins, no way
and the malleability does not have anything to do with FIAT loses. so i look forward to how he tries to explain his way out of stealing the fiat
March 18, 2014, 11:31:10 AM
There were substantial withdrawals during this time. The reason he continued to operate was so that "certain individuals" could liquidate and get out. We have not seen any record of exactly what BTC and USD withdrawals took place after the hack or how much they were for. Also, Gox was already short USD before the hack even took place. I have not heard a whisper about any of this so far during the bankruptcy proceedings. Is anyone showing up to contest this mess???
March 18, 2014, 11:26:30 AM
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March 18, 2014, 11:25:51 AM
Only 2 weeks??
March 18, 2014, 11:24:26 AM
yep! of course. and thats only the tip of the iceberg. he is a fat dirty liar since years.
March 18, 2014, 11:17:55 AM
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/03/13/1854244/mt-gox-knew-it-was-selling-phantom-bitcoin-2-weeks-before-collapse
"Mt. Gox CEO Mark Karpeles wrote in a sworn declaration in the company's U.S. bankruptcy filing he suspected hundreds of thousands of bitcoins were missing on Feb. 7, more than two weeks before it finally halted trading. That means Mt. Gox allowed its customers to continue trading, knowing that its bitcoin stash was wiped out and collecting as much as US$900,000 in trading fees. Since Mt. Gox said it was also missing $27.3 million in cash from customer deposits, it raises the possibility that customers — despite seeing a cash balance displayed in their account — might have actually been buying bitcoins that did not exist, with cash that was already long gone."
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246921/Mt._Gox_kept_exchange_open_despite_knowledge_of_large_scale_theft
IDG News Service - Mt. Gox may have collected a large sum in trading fees in the weeks before its closure, even though it was already aware that a vast number of bitcoins had gone missing, its U.S. bankruptcy filing suggests.
A sworn declaration in the filing from Robert Marie Mark Karpeles, Mt. Gox 's CEO, reveals that the Bitcoin exchange knew in early February that its situation was far graver than it had disclosed at the time.
Mt. Gox halted bitcoin withdrawals from its exchange on Feb. 7. It told customers it was investigating possible fraud due to a security issue called transaction malleability, but did not specify at the time how many bitcoins were missing. Buying and selling on the exchange continued until Feb. 25, when its website went dark.
Mt. Gox's first disclosure of the scale of its problems came when it filed for bankruptcy protection in Tokyo District Court three days later, saying 750,000 of its customers' bitcoins were missing, along with 100,000 of its own.
It appears from the U.S. bankruptcy filing that Mt. Gox executives knew the gravity of the company's losses up to 19 days before its public disclosure, but gave traders no reason at the time to believe the exchange might not be solvent.
In the filing, Karpeles states that the withdrawals were halted Feb. 7 due to "the theft or disappearance of hundreds of thousands of bitcoins owned by Mt. Gox customers as well as Mt. Gox itself."
Why Mt. Gox continued to operate the exchange with that knowledge is unclear.
Karpeles did not respond to a request for comment for this article sent to his personal email address.
The impact of Mt. Gox allowing customers to buy and sell bitcoins it suspected it did not have may be revealed by class-action lawsuits, one of which was filed in Chicago on Feb. 27, and another of which is planned in the U.K.
"They took trading fees on assets which didn't exist and accepted deposits when they knew they were insolvent," Aaron G., a Bitcoin investor who did not want his last name used, said via email.A
"The origin of the losses may or may not be incompetence," added Aaron, who has filed a fraud complaint against Mt. Gox with Tokyo police. "But they knew for at least two weeks and kept operating as normal."
After Feb. 7, Mt. Gox was still processing thousands of trades a day, according to Bitcoincharts.com, which records trading volumes for many Bitcoin markets.
An average of 49,912 bitcoins were traded daily on Mt. Gox between Feb. 7 and Feb. 25, at an average weighted price of $380.54 per bitcoin.
"Mt. Gox CEO Mark Karpeles wrote in a sworn declaration in the company's U.S. bankruptcy filing he suspected hundreds of thousands of bitcoins were missing on Feb. 7, more than two weeks before it finally halted trading. That means Mt. Gox allowed its customers to continue trading, knowing that its bitcoin stash was wiped out and collecting as much as US$900,000 in trading fees. Since Mt. Gox said it was also missing $27.3 million in cash from customer deposits, it raises the possibility that customers — despite seeing a cash balance displayed in their account — might have actually been buying bitcoins that did not exist, with cash that was already long gone."
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246921/Mt._Gox_kept_exchange_open_despite_knowledge_of_large_scale_theft
IDG News Service - Mt. Gox may have collected a large sum in trading fees in the weeks before its closure, even though it was already aware that a vast number of bitcoins had gone missing, its U.S. bankruptcy filing suggests.
A sworn declaration in the filing from Robert Marie Mark Karpeles, Mt. Gox 's CEO, reveals that the Bitcoin exchange knew in early February that its situation was far graver than it had disclosed at the time.
Mt. Gox halted bitcoin withdrawals from its exchange on Feb. 7. It told customers it was investigating possible fraud due to a security issue called transaction malleability, but did not specify at the time how many bitcoins were missing. Buying and selling on the exchange continued until Feb. 25, when its website went dark.
Mt. Gox's first disclosure of the scale of its problems came when it filed for bankruptcy protection in Tokyo District Court three days later, saying 750,000 of its customers' bitcoins were missing, along with 100,000 of its own.
It appears from the U.S. bankruptcy filing that Mt. Gox executives knew the gravity of the company's losses up to 19 days before its public disclosure, but gave traders no reason at the time to believe the exchange might not be solvent.
In the filing, Karpeles states that the withdrawals were halted Feb. 7 due to "the theft or disappearance of hundreds of thousands of bitcoins owned by Mt. Gox customers as well as Mt. Gox itself."
Why Mt. Gox continued to operate the exchange with that knowledge is unclear.
Karpeles did not respond to a request for comment for this article sent to his personal email address.
The impact of Mt. Gox allowing customers to buy and sell bitcoins it suspected it did not have may be revealed by class-action lawsuits, one of which was filed in Chicago on Feb. 27, and another of which is planned in the U.K.
"They took trading fees on assets which didn't exist and accepted deposits when they knew they were insolvent," Aaron G., a Bitcoin investor who did not want his last name used, said via email.A
"The origin of the losses may or may not be incompetence," added Aaron, who has filed a fraud complaint against Mt. Gox with Tokyo police. "But they knew for at least two weeks and kept operating as normal."
After Feb. 7, Mt. Gox was still processing thousands of trades a day, according to Bitcoincharts.com, which records trading volumes for many Bitcoin markets.
An average of 49,912 bitcoins were traded daily on Mt. Gox between Feb. 7 and Feb. 25, at an average weighted price of $380.54 per bitcoin.
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