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legendary
Activity: 1204
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August 20, 2013, 10:53:54 PM
#47
What do you guys think of this? http://buttercoin.com/ Just received investment from Kevin Rose and other big names.  Looks like if you are capable, you will easily be able to start your own marketplace.
So somebody claims to offer a hosted package for running a Bitcoin exchange. That doesn't solve any of the problems on the money side.

You can buy software packages for running a bank. It doesn't make you a bank.

I'd have to assume they have something figured out.  I doubt Google would be investing in them if they didn't.
They do have something figured out. They want to dump the white-box Bitcoin software product and get into the remittance business, like Western Union.

At the moment their site displays a blank page. It's loading lots of CSS, but there's nothing displayed.
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
August 20, 2013, 10:32:40 PM
#46
What do you guys think of this? http://buttercoin.com/ Just received investment from Kevin Rose and other big names.  Looks like if you are capable, you will easily be able to start your own marketplace.
So somebody claims to offer a hosted package for running a Bitcoin exchange. That doesn't solve any of the problems on the money side.

You can buy software packages for running a bank. It doesn't make you a bank.

I'd have to assume they have something figured out.  I doubt Google would be investing in them if they didn't.
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1002
August 20, 2013, 04:54:52 PM
#45
What do you guys think of this? http://buttercoin.com/ Just received investment from Kevin Rose and other big names.  Looks like if you are capable, you will easily be able to start your own marketplace.
So somebody claims to offer a hosted package for running a Bitcoin exchange. That doesn't solve any of the problems on the money side.

You can buy software packages for running a bank. It doesn't make you a bank.
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
August 20, 2013, 03:48:59 PM
#44
What do you guys think of this? http://buttercoin.com/ Just received investment from Kevin Rose and other big names.  Looks like if you are capable, you will easily be able to start your own marketplace.
legendary
Activity: 4760
Merit: 1283
August 20, 2013, 03:46:16 PM
#43
I'll present a hypothesis which, like most of my hypothesis, I don't necessarily believe.

What if Mt. Gox is making a boat-load of money (which I've always suspected to be true) but their biggest source of grief is AML (which I also expect true) and it is complicated by a lot of legacy customers who are a bit shady and not vetted in the same manner as newly verified persons.

The way to make money in this business is to take the low hanging fruit.  In this case, that would be the obviously clean people who are speculators and what-not.  As a corollary, one could gain an extra competitive advantage over one's adversaries by foisting the problem children off on them.  This would not be unlike the calculus which appears to network providers who are probably not exactly broken-hearted when a bandwidth hog gets pissed and switches service providers.

Anyway, a good way to lose some undesired baggage would be to go through a protracted period of 'problems' in getting people their money.  Or at least certain groups of people.  That is what I would do if I were running things, and also why I have no desire to be running things.

A more likely hypothesis is that Mt. Gox is simply struggling mightily with mainstream financial institutions, regulators, and law enforcement.

The least likely hypothesis in my mind is that Mark is running out of capital unless he has kind of a world-record appetite for hookers and blow.


You think exchange volume is from a few thousand speculators circle jerking nickels off each other? Gox makes their nugget off those shady legacy customers. They couldn't afford to lose them, and they have as a result of this fincen/AML bullshit. Now we're just watching the inevitable resulting implosion. They staved it off with a shitload of insider trading on LTC, but that was a prop and is going up in smoke after being played too hard. They have nowhere else to turn.

I don't know if Karpeles is up to the task or not, but I'll bet that he at least had something of an NSA-lite (and particularly rich) trove of data on a lot of people.  Most are likely garden variety crooks, but not all.  I think a lot of people have played in the Bitcoin market over the years, and some of them are likely in the 'protected class'.  If Mark can and does play that card he can likely end up situated wherever he likes as the Bitcoin ecosystem moves forward.

Oh ya, from what I can glean (and/or invent in my paranoid fantasy world) the real Bitcoin activity happens in dark pools and generally opaque systems.  So you are right to characterize Mt. Gox activity as 'a few thousand speculators circle jerking nickels of each other.'  But partaking in these circle-jerk sessions from time to time is probably a useful (if messy) means to achieve certain objectives for a lot of the real players.  Or at least has been at an earlier time in the formation of the ecosystem.

sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
August 20, 2013, 02:05:26 PM
#42
I'll present a hypothesis which, like most of my hypothesis, I don't necessarily believe.

What if Mt. Gox is making a boat-load of money (which I've always suspected to be true) but their biggest source of grief is AML (which I also expect true) and it is complicated by a lot of legacy customers who are a bit shady and not vetted in the same manner as newly verified persons.

The way to make money in this business is to take the low hanging fruit.  In this case, that would be the obviously clean people who are speculators and what-not.  As a corollary, one could gain an extra competitive advantage over one's adversaries by foisting the problem children off on them.  This would not be unlike the calculus which appears to network providers who are probably not exactly broken-hearted when a bandwidth hog gets pissed and switches service providers.

Anyway, a good way to lose some undesired baggage would be to go through a protracted period of 'problems' in getting people their money.  Or at least certain groups of people.  That is what I would do if I were running things, and also why I have no desire to be running things.

A more likely hypothesis is that Mt. Gox is simply struggling mightily with mainstream financial institutions, regulators, and law enforcement.

The least likely hypothesis in my mind is that Mark is running out of capital unless he has kind of a world-record appetite for hookers and blow.


You think exchange volume is from a few thousand speculators circle jerking nickels off each other? Gox makes their nugget off those shady legacy customers. They couldn't afford to lose them, and they have as a result of this fincen/AML bullshit. Now we're just watching the inevitable resulting implosion. They staved it off with a shitload of insider trading on LTC, but that was a prop and is going up in smoke after being played too hard. They have nowhere else to turn.
legendary
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1000
August 20, 2013, 12:28:01 PM
#41
The US Govt seized $2.9 million from Mt. Gox's Dwolla account:

http://finextra.com/News/FullStory.aspx?newsitemid=25134

That explains why they're having a hard time making withdrawals... because they are out $2.9 million. They can only handle x amount of withdrawals a day to keep up with revenues and expenses.

they were/are making 100k per day, 2.9 mil is 29 days, its no problem.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
August 20, 2013, 12:18:19 PM
#40
US Exchanges in the pipeline:

- CoinX
- CoinMkt
- Kraken
- Coinsetter
- Alpha Point

To say it with the Borg: These are irrelevant.

CAMPBX
sr. member
Activity: 262
Merit: 250
I hate my family
August 20, 2013, 11:26:39 AM
#39
The US Govt seized $2.9 million from Mt. Gox's Dwolla account:

http://finextra.com/News/FullStory.aspx?newsitemid=25134

That explains why they're having a hard time making withdrawals... because they are out $2.9 million. They can only handle x amount of withdrawals a day to keep up with revenues and expenses.
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1059
August 17, 2013, 05:52:35 PM
#38
US Exchanges in the pipeline:

- CoinX
- CoinMkt
- Kraken
- Coinsetter
- Alpha Point

To say it with the Borg: These are irrelevant.
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1059
August 17, 2013, 05:31:09 PM
#37
As soon as they clear up whatever the trouble is, you will see a large amount of fiat withdrawn from gox, and there might be a slight bump in volume as people take advantage of the prices and get their money out, but once all that fiat is gone from Gox there will be nothing left to trade and they will dwindle into a forgotten footnote in the history of bitcoins.

Bitcoin itself would be forgotten.
legendary
Activity: 4760
Merit: 1283
August 17, 2013, 05:26:45 PM
#36
I'll present a hypothesis which, like most of my hypothesis, I don't necessarily believe.

What if Mt. Gox is making a boat-load of money (which I've always suspected to be true) but their biggest source of grief is AML (which I also expect true) and it is complicated by a lot of legacy customers who are a bit shady and not vetted in the same manner as newly verified persons.

The way to make money in this business is to take the low hanging fruit.  In this case, that would be the obviously clean people who are speculators and what-not.  As a corollary, one could gain an extra competitive advantage over one's adversaries by foisting the problem children off on them.  This would not be unlike the calculus which appears to network providers who are probably not exactly broken-hearted when a bandwidth hog gets pissed and switches service providers.

Anyway, a good way to lose some undesired baggage would be to go through a protracted period of 'problems' in getting people their money.  Or at least certain groups of people.  That is what I would do if I were running things, and also why I have no desire to be running things.

A more likely hypothesis is that Mt. Gox is simply struggling mightily with mainstream financial institutions, regulators, and law enforcement.

The least likely hypothesis in my mind is that Mark is running out of capital unless he has kind of a world-record appetite for hookers and blow.

hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 500
It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
August 17, 2013, 05:09:07 PM
#35
It's not the others; it's you. The volume of the past is irrelevant. More and more market share is travelling from Gox to Bitstamp - the last 30 days Bitstamp had already nearly half the volume of Gox - if you still didn't realize it.

Think what you want, but you only concerned with relative values. The market volume is very small at the moment.   

In some situations a bicycle is faster than a car in city traffic. But no one would argue that a bicycle is generally faster than a car.

As soon as we are back on the highway, you will understand what I mean. Once Gox has solved its problems, we will have again trading volumes as seen earlier this year. Bitstamp missing the money and the trading engine for that. Bitstamp's just a bike.

For Gox it is crucial that they can work with their old business partners together again. Especially with Dwolla. This can happen very quickly. I think later this year. They are now registered and once all the formalities are cleared it continues.

As soon as they clear up whatever the trouble is, you will see a large amount of fiat withdrawn from gox, and there might be a slight bump in volume as people take advantage of the prices and get their money out, but once all that fiat is gone from Gox there will be nothing left to trade and they will dwindle into a forgotten footnote in the history of bitcoins.
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
August 17, 2013, 04:50:28 PM
#34
ONLY Japanese transfers are working in a reasonable time frame. Everything else is BS.

They are sending 10 Swift a day, and have something like a "50k euro" daily limit on their SEPA transfers.
That's what makes me think the customers' money isn't there. It's a classic red flag for a fraud scheme when you can't get your money out.



Exactly.  Cough MF Global cough.
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1002
August 17, 2013, 03:04:30 PM
#33
ONLY Japanese transfers are working in a reasonable time frame. Everything else is BS.

They are sending 10 Swift a day, and have something like a "50k euro" daily limit on their SEPA transfers.
That's what makes me think the customers' money isn't there. It's a classic red flag for a fraud scheme when you can't get your money out.

hero member
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Ching-Chang;Ding-Dong
August 17, 2013, 10:53:31 AM
#32
You don't seem to get the point.

ONLY Japanese transfers are working in a reasonable time frame.

Everything else is BS.

They are sending 10 Swift a day, and have something like a "50k euro" daily limit on their SEPA transfers.

hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
August 15, 2013, 07:29:03 PM
#31
So simple question

If i want to cash out 30btc to Australia

Should I use Gox or are transfers to Australia cactus as well ??

legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1000
August 15, 2013, 06:05:22 PM
#30
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1059
August 15, 2013, 05:59:55 PM
#29
When people start filing complaints with the US SEC and the Japan Financial Services Agency, that will happen.

Yes, first you throw them sticks between the legs and then you close it because they hobble.  Tongue

Wait so Mt. Gox's customers did this to them?

Some try.
hero member
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www.multipool.us
August 15, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
#28
When people start filing complaints with the US SEC and the Japan Financial Services Agency, that will happen.

Yes, first you throw them sticks between the legs and then you close it because they hobble.  Tongue

Wait so Mt. Gox's customers did this to them?
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