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greyhawk

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Quote from: esse83 on September 01, 2011, 05:41:01 PM

"You already solved all of Bitcoins problems" - what? No idea what you are talking about again. You seem just to be focused on you being right. But that is what is great about facts. Opinions loose their meaning.

He's asking SA to turn their attention elsewhere so that BTC users can be scammed in peace and quiet again.

esse83

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"You already solved all of Bitcoins problems" - what? No idea what you are talking about again. You seem just to be focused on you being right. But that is what is great about facts. Opinions loose their meaning.

Raoul Duke

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I'm serious... Just go and expose all those scammers trying to run the FED and the ECB and all the major banks in the world.

Do the world a favour, please. You already solved all of Bitcoins problems, so, now, you can start solving the problems with the dollar and maybe the euro, who knows, if you still have the time for it, 'cause oh boy, just all the scammers in the FED and the american banks will take you a long time...

esse83

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Not sure what you mean, but here is my interpretation.

1) Swindlers are out there in the international money currency
2) So we should just accept it
c) Do nothing

Im quite confused by your statement.

Raoul Duke

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Maybe you goons can go complaint to the FED/ECB that there are a lot of scammers trying to be the face of the dollar/euro... and while you're at it, please expose them all!

esse83

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Im starting to see how easy it is to be a con man just by observing the fools that are his defenders.I sincerely believe there is no way to communicate truth to people who are wired to conform reality to their own perception of illusion. The trolls in this thread is not we who take an objective look at the available information. The level of dishonesty and self-deception is truly amazing and shows itself most clearly when information does not fit with old and outdated convictions.

It is time to get rid of this murky stuff so that bitcoin can breathe fresh air and grow. Bitcoin is nothing more than technology meeting human characters. If the latter part has personas that are dishonest the principles of bitcoin does not matter. We give it meaning and application. And please no replies that are without substance (meaning unbiased reflection).

BitCoinMagic

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What are you trying to say? I wasn't comparing bitcoin to a daycare, I was saying that embracing Bruce as a spokesperson for a financial instrument after being shown to be dishonest and fraudulent is analogous to that scenario.

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Would you let a sex offender be the spokesperson for your daycare you are trying to open?

Lurker breaking my silence. I'm not sure if you noticed it, but running that analogy and comparing the community and interests of Bitcoin to a daycare would have been less accurate just a few days ago before Wagner became a trending topic.

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Quote from: castlegoat on September 01, 2011, 10:35:40 AM

I agree, I think that if this guy really was a pedophile sex-trafficking mortgage scammer he would be WAY TOO SMART to just use his name like this. IDIOTS. I mean, sure he's admitted to it being true, but that's because you trolls put his back against the wall. BACK OFF, AND LET THE TRUTH COME OUT.

Your right.
But don't forget the people who accuse Bruce, are not doing all of this to let the truth come out.
There doing this cause there bored and desperately need attention and they will never stop.
Unless Bruce admits it or a new ban policy is introduced into this forum this "trolling" will continue.
It's that simple.

BitCoinMagic

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So everyone who has done anything bad prior to having an interest in bitcoin should come clean and resign from having anything to do with bitcoin. I would have to say safely you wouldn't have forum to post to if this was the case.

Did I say anything even closely resembling that? Do you understand what a "false dichotomy" is?

Bruce can be a completely untrustworthy scumbag and bitcoin can continue to thrive.

I am just tired of people defending him like "well that was then". Would you let a sex offender be the spokesperson for your daycare you are trying to open? Bruce married himself to bitcoin but I think the forums and community at large should be filing for a divorce.

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Quote from: castlegoat on September 01, 2011, 10:35:40 AM

Quote from: FlipPro on September 01, 2011, 10:00:02 AM

Quote from: Gerken on September 01, 2011, 07:32:25 AM

Quote from: Surawit on August 31, 2011, 09:10:09 PM

I've talked to Bruce and watched his show several times, and he is a really nice guy.... From my personal experience, it seems unlikely that he is the conman everyone is claiming him to be. He has a very open and honest character... Not at all 'shady' IMO.

Are you serious? You can't think of any reason why a con man(who makes a living on getting people to trust him with their money and well-being) seems like a really nice guy? A con man who seems shady isn't a very good one. And he was a good one, no idea how much he got but he was ordered to pay back over 350k so it was a lot.

Then why the hell did he get caught?

I bring this point up because if Bruce was hiding ANYTHING, he wouldn't be using all his REAL INFORMATION in the first place.

You guys are absolutely INSANE, and you wonder why people won't take you seriously?

I agree, I think that if this guy really was a pedophile sex-trafficking mortgage scammer he would be WAY TOO SMART to just use his name like this. IDIOTS. I mean, sure he's admitted to it being true, but that's because you trolls put his back against the wall. BACK OFF, AND LET THE TRUTH COME OUT.

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BitCoinMagic

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Quote from: Surawit on September 01, 2011, 09:17:17 AM

1. That Bruce had something to do with mortgage fraud. He has explained that this was a misunderstanding.

Whether you are the biggest advocate for bitcoins, mtgox, whatever or the biggest troll in the universe the *facts* are this: There was no misunderstanding with this Bold Funding company. A *court* reviewed the *facts* and came to a judgment based on those facts. The judgement they came to is that there was no "misunderstanding", Bold Funding was an completely unlicensed business (to broker mortgages) that lied to and defrauded its customers and questioned if they ever actually helped a single person secure "private funding" for their loans (a complete bullshit premise in the first place).

You don't need to ponder the sex stuff or the mybitcoin evidence. A US court has told you he is a fucking conman who took advantage of desperate (poor) people in their time of need. It wasn't some company gone bust because they could keep the books straight. They took money and put it in their pockets and called it a day, then scurried off to the next scam.

If you are ok with that then fine, sleep with the pigs. Regurgitating his pitiful "ohh poor me it was all a mistake" bullshit makes you look just as bad.

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I prefer my wall backing approach.

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Quote from: FlipPro on September 01, 2011, 10:00:02 AM

Quote from: Gerken on September 01, 2011, 07:32:25 AM

Quote from: Surawit on August 31, 2011, 09:10:09 PM

I've talked to Bruce and watched his show several times, and he is a really nice guy.... From my personal experience, it seems unlikely that he is the conman everyone is claiming him to be. He has a very open and honest character... Not at all 'shady' IMO.

Are you serious? You can't think of any reason why a con man(who makes a living on getting people to trust him with their money and well-being) seems like a really nice guy? A con man who seems shady isn't a very good one. And he was a good one, no idea how much he got but he was ordered to pay back over 350k so it was a lot.

Then why the hell did he get caught?

I bring this point up because if Bruce was hiding ANYTHING, he wouldn't be using all his REAL INFORMATION in the first place.

You guys are absolutely INSANE, and you wonder why people won't take you seriously?

I agree, I think that if this guy really was a pedophile sex-trafficking mortgage scammer he would be WAY TOO SMART to just use his name like this. IDIOTS. I mean, sure he's admitted to it being true, but that's because you trolls put his back against the wall. BACK OFF, AND LET THE TRUTH COME OUT.

BCEmporium

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Gosh! Glad my first (and last) entanglement with Bruce was a "crash" and insults exchange upon Baron's issue.

Nevertheless, these lately attempts of character burning I don't know... it started with odd allegations of sexual behavior, which makes it look more like a campaign against other than proper accusations.
Still, that mortgage scheme went down... he claims good intentions, but was a scheme, was he to naive to think "win for all situations" really exists?! Here we've a popular expression, translates more or less to: «Of people with good intentions is Hell filled up».
Still don't quite know what to think.

FlipPro

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Quote from: Gerken on September 01, 2011, 07:32:25 AM

Quote from: Surawit on August 31, 2011, 09:10:09 PM

I've talked to Bruce and watched his show several times, and he is a really nice guy.... From my personal experience, it seems unlikely that he is the conman everyone is claiming him to be. He has a very open and honest character... Not at all 'shady' IMO.

Are you serious? You can't think of any reason why a con man(who makes a living on getting people to trust him with their money and well-being) seems like a really nice guy? A con man who seems shady isn't a very good one. And he was a good one, no idea how much he got but he was ordered to pay back over 350k so it was a lot.

Then why the hell did he get caught?

I bring this point up because if Bruce was hiding ANYTHING, he wouldn't be using all his REAL INFORMATION in the first place.

You guys are absolutely INSANE, and you wonder why people won't take you seriously?

Raize

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That Bruce is involved with the mybitcoin.com hacking. He has also explained this, they were his SPONSORS and he lost money too.

There are two very damning bits of evidence against that:
1. Arvixe is a very small host and both Bruce and mybitcoin were registered there.
2. The statistical-significance of tod williams and tom williams out of any thousands of scammer names that could have been used.

Additionally, we know he's wanted in two US states and it looks like the NY thing is still ongoing. I don't even care about his fondness for little boys, the dude has fraudulently handled other people's money.

There's two things Bruce could do to clear things up:
1. Explain who Tom Williams is
2. Explain who Tod Williams is

They couldn't identify in court a SINGLE individual that was benefited by Bold Funding, so who the hell was Tod? If he was sponsored by MyBitcoin, then who the hell is Tom?

Stalin-chan

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Quote from: Jalum on September 01, 2011, 09:22:05 AM

Quote from: Surawit on September 01, 2011, 09:17:17 AM

As far as I can tell there have been three allegations
1. That Bruce had something to do with mortgage fraud. He has explained that this was a misunderstanding.
2. That Bruce is involved with sex tourism. He has also said that this is not true.
3. That Bruce is involved with the mybitcoin.com hacking. He has also explained this, they were his SPONSORS and he lost money too.

I am a very good judge of character. Listening to Bruce it is clear he is honest, INNOCENT and pure of heart. These allegations are despicable, and it all seems very co-ordinated. I bet all you are secretly swapping advice on the best way to continue this horrible, unethical three-edged assault on a poor innocent man of undefiled character.

Is this Ed or Manny?

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Mortgage fraud is not a misunderstanding, did Bruce ever apologise for the lives he ruined in his "mortgage misunderstanding"?

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Quote from: MagicalTux on September 01, 2011, 05:35:24 AM

Quote from: JonHind on September 01, 2011, 04:11:25 AM

[Edit] You said: "I never heard of him running with someone's cash"

I think that was the sentence that killed it for me. He ran away with desperate people's cash after offering them a mortgage service that he had no intention of keeping. He was tried in absentia, and he has not paid the money that he was ordered to by the courts nor did he pay a penny in compensation to his victims.

What I know of Bruce is what he did for the past months in Bitcoin, and I never had any report of Bruce stealing anything from anyone during that time frame.

As I said, we do not have enough information at this point to make any decision, especially when it comes to Bold Funding. We are still investigating this on our own and will provide updates once we reach a conclusion.

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Look ARROUND!

Quote from: Surawit on September 01, 2011, 09:17:17 AM

As far as I can tell there have been three allegations
1. That Bruce had something to do with mortgage fraud. He has explained that this was a misunderstanding.
2. That Bruce is involved with sex tourism. He has also said that this is not true.
3. That Bruce is involved with the mybitcoin.com hacking. He has also explained this, they were his SPONSORS and he lost money too.

I am a very good judge of character. Listening to Bruce it is clear he is honest, INNOCENT and pure of heart. These allegations are despicable, and it all seems very co-ordinated. I bet all you are secretly swapping advice on the best way to continue this horrible, unethical three-edged assault on a poor innocent man of undefiled character.

Is this Ed or Manny?

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