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Topic: MtGox generation of USD redeemable codes will stop at 10 Apr 2013 (Read 12933 times)

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There is one workaround and that is to create throwaway accounts.

So you create an account specifically with the intention of sharing the username and password with your trading party.  You wouldn't want the account to get flagged as needing verification so the amounts you would hold in it would need to be under the levels that non-verified accounts are allowed to transfer.

This lets you lock in a certain amount of USDs and transfer that value as dollars to someone else by giving the username and password to them.  Then that person completes the verification steps to withdraw the dollars  (or use the funds to buy bitcoins at a later time).   Since most people already have a Mt. Gox account, trying to get verification on a second account at Mt. Gox would likely bring closer scrutiny and/or see the funds getting frozen.   

Also, there's the chance the person who funded the account will claim the account was lost due to identity fraud (hacker gaining username/password) after trading it away and possibly regaining access to the funds.   So this isn't a method two parties who don't have trust in each other would want to follow.

But it might be a way to separate off some bitcoins into multiple accounts, convert them to dollars to lock in a certain amount of value in USDs, and then later trade those USDs away.

That's nowhere near as convenient as the redeemable codes, but it is an option.

Of course, other exchanges still have account-to-account (A2A) transfers, if the need is simply a USD-denominated store of value that can be easily transferred to and from BTCs:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/A2A_Transfer_Methods



MtGox ToS limit you to one account, so this is risky.  I wouldn't be surprised if their anti-fraud algorithms flag stuff like location, either - meaning that an account will be flagged if you log in from a different country, for instance.
legendary
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There is one workaround and that is to create throwaway accounts.

So you create an account specifically with the intention of sharing the username and password with your trading party.  You wouldn't want the account to get flagged as needing verification so the amounts you would hold in it would need to be under the levels that non-verified accounts are allowed to transfer.

This lets you lock in a certain amount of USDs and transfer that value as dollars to someone else by giving the username and password to them.  Then that person completes the verification steps to withdraw the dollars  (or use the funds to buy bitcoins at a later time).   Since most people already have a Mt. Gox account, trying to get verification on a second account at Mt. Gox would likely bring closer scrutiny and/or [Edit: be a violation of their user agreement and possibly] see the funds getting frozen.  

Also, there's the chance the person who funded the account will claim the account was lost due to identity fraud (hacker gaining username/password) after trading it away and possibly regain access to the funds.   So this isn't a method two parties who don't have trust in each other would want to follow.

But it might be a way to separate off some bitcoins into multiple accounts, convert them to dollars to lock in a certain amount of value in USDs, and then later trade those USDs away.

That's nowhere near as convenient as the redeemable codes, but it is an option.

Of course, other exchanges still have account-to-account (A2A) transfers, if the need is simply a USD-denominated store of value that can be easily transferred to and from BTCs:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/A2A_Transfer_Methods

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legendary
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I just received an email too:

Whoah ... that's different.  Not just MTG USD and MTG CAD but all "non-BTC" codes it says.

And I looked just now and there's not even a method to withdraw a BTC code, at least as far as I can tell.
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Damn, I used to used USD codes quite a bit to pay people when the price was so damn volatile like now; oh well, guess it's back to BTC and BTC Codes.
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You can still transfer via BTC...
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I just received an email too:

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Dear ****,

You are currently making use of a system which will be deprecated on Wed 15 May 2013 12:00:00 AM GMT:

Generation of non-BTC redeemable codes on MtGox will not be possible


Please note that after this date, using this system won't be possible anymore and will instead lead to an error.

Thank you for your attention.

System Staff



No more free SEPA deposits and withdrawals on bitcoin-otc Sad
legendary
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So if I may sound like a newbie for a moment...

"How will I get my coins from Mt Gox -> BitInstant -> Paypal?"
If you have bitcoins in Mt Gox and want to cash out to Paypal use https://fastcash4bitcoins.com/
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So if I may sound like a newbie for a moment...

"How will I get my coins from Mt Gox -> BitInstant -> Paypal?"

Will there be another Code?  Will I use another service?

I cant find any info on either of the sites pages with about 2 weeks before this deadline.


Anyone got an answer?

-elrodvoss
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they are probably rolling out a new wave of force-verifications(aka stealing, err "holding" customers money hostage and forcing them to verify in order to retrieve their funds back), like they did back in the october-January 2011/2012 times. those that they have already forced to verify can simply be moved off, and all others can probably be established by geoip, since most people are probably using gox via their regular ip in order to avoid force verification.
legendary
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as US customer, it will not be possible to have a balance in anything else than BTC/USD/CAD

That's interesting. So how do they know who's a US customer? ID scans for all an sundry? IP geolocation? Simply trusting their customers to be honest?

 - Received Dwolla?  Ding.  U.S.
 - Submitted ID and it says U.S?   Ding.  U.S.  (or submitted Canadian,  CAN)
 - Access via U.S. or Canadian IP address?    Ding.  U.S. or Canada.

It's 80% of Mt. Gox's customer base (not sure if that is by number or by value of accounts).

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10 April expect 100 new threads per minute: "WTF why doesn't my Gox code work?" and "Why do I have to resubmit all verification to Coinlab I already did this through Gox years ago"

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as US customer, it will not be possible to have a balance in anything else than BTC/USD/CAD
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That's interesting. So how do they know who's a US customer? ID scans for all an sundry? IP geolocation? Simply trusting their customers to be honest?
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I honestly think that everything associated with the transition to CoinLab needs to be getting a lot more publicity at this point, otherwise it's going to turn into a clusterfuck.  It sounds like US customers will need to redeem their other currency codes prior to 10 April. 

There also needs to be an active drive to get people to agree to CoinLab's ToS before 29 March, otherwise there are going to be endless "WTF is going on" threads when the transition happens and people who haven't visited the forums/used MtGox in a while suddenly find out everything's changed.

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sr. member
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Go open an underground exchange on an onion site accessible only by Tor and let us know how it turns out.

Silk Road has already proven the concept. It could also be argued that SR bootstrapped a large part of Bitcoin's early demand and value. Bitcoin already has proven value outside of the regulatory structure.

The powers that be can't destroy Bitcoin so they'll own it and subvert the price instead. Those that desire wealth over doing the right thing and those that live in fear of the don't-break-any-rules-or-we-might-get-caught boogie man are the ones that will help bind and carry Bitcoin to its new masters.

You can always count on greedy and fearful people to fuck up a good thing.
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There are two big reasons why Bitcoin people are tempted to go ‘legit’:

    1. They want to get mega-rich fast, like Mark Zuckerberg.
    2. They have been trained to be obedient and can’t unlearn it. They are compelled to believe that the government is basically good. It must just be one bad politician or one bad law.

#2 is what destroyed e-gold, and it looks like #1 is what killed GLBSE.

Because of GLBSE, Bitcoin is now being regarded as a currency and states will start to regulate it as one. That means that they’ll attack the public exchangers and force everyone possible to comply with their rules.

How Bitcoin Is Being Destroyed

Evidence that Bitcoin is now being regarded as a currency by anyone who has the power to regulate currencies.

Likewise, burying one's head in the sand and saying "I can't hear you" leaves Bitcoin businesses vulnerable to regulatory action.  Businesses who do not recognise and plan for this have only themselves to blame.  If they choice to ignore risks they know exist, then both the businesses themselves and their customers need to accept the possible consequences.  Bitcoin businesses in general have neither the enormous resources of an e-Bay backing them in their legal battles (which PayPal actually lost), nor can they afford to simply write off seizures as a "cost of doing business" like organised crime.

People do not have to believe the government is good in order to want to avoid the consequences of breaking its laws.  Nor does anyone have the right to demand that someone else take the risks involved with setting up unregulated services.  Lead by example if you believe so strongly that someone should take those risks out of pure altruism.  Go open an underground exchange on an onion site accessible only by Tor and let us know how it turns out.
sr. member
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There are two big reasons why Bitcoin people are tempted to go ‘legit’:

    1. They want to get mega-rich fast, like Mark Zuckerberg.
    2. They have been trained to be obedient and can’t unlearn it. They are compelled to believe that the government is basically good. It must just be one bad politician or one bad law.

#2 is what destroyed e-gold, and it looks like #1 is what killed GLBSE.

Because of GLBSE, Bitcoin is now being regarded as a currency and states will start to regulate it as one. That means that they’ll attack the public exchangers and force everyone possible to comply with their rules.

How Bitcoin Is Being Destroyed
hero member
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I honestly think that everything associated with the transition to CoinLab needs to be getting a lot more publicity at this point, otherwise it's going to turn into a clusterfuck.  It sounds like US customers will need to redeem their other currency codes prior to 10 April. 

There also needs to be an active drive to get people to agree to CoinLab's ToS before 29 March, otherwise there are going to be endless "WTF is going on" threads when the transition happens and people who haven't visited the forums/used MtGox in a while suddenly find out everything's changed.
legendary
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Just a bit more on this.

Does that mean I can still create and redeem a MTGEUR code after April 10th?

I just got this answered on #mtgox IRC:

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as US customer, it will not be possible to have a balance in anything else than BTC/USD/CAD

So, after April 10th, if you are in the U.S. you will have the ability to send MTGox BTC redeemable code, but not MTGUSD, MTGEUR, or any other currency.

Also, I see that AurumXChange (issuer of VouchX codes) is now handling redeemable codes issued by BTC-E and BITSTAMP as well.

Also related:

MTGUSD Redeemable Code - The End Is Neigh
 - http://www.bitcoinmoney.com/post/44860726799
sr. member
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I like helping people
Sad news to hear such a convenient feature won't be available anymore... then again like Severian said, more bitcoin interaction wouldn't be such a bad thing now would it?
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