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Herodes

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Quote from: error on July 12, 2011, 01:01:18 PM

Quote from: Herodes on July 11, 2011, 10:31:03 PM

If we say that mtGox takes 2%, then we have 3.5% left unaccounted for. I suspect these are the fees that the banks have taken when converting currency. I do not know if mtGox charge anything for converting currency.

That sounds typical for a currency exchange done by a bank. Why do you think the rest of us are working to make Bitcoin succeed?

I'm with you all the way, I'm working towards this myself. We all wants fees to go away.

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Quote from: Herodes on July 11, 2011, 10:31:03 PM

If we say that mtGox takes 2%, then we have 3.5% left unaccounted for. I suspect these are the fees that the banks have taken when converting currency. I do not know if mtGox charge anything for converting currency.

That sounds typical for a currency exchange done by a bank. Why do you think the rest of us are working to make Bitcoin succeed?

Herodes

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Funds arrived today.

Seems like someone is taking their cut though. I calculated that the amount I withdrew have been shaved with approx 5.5%, this might not be 100% accurate as there are several currency exchange rates to take into considereation here.

Namely these conversions:

USD to EUR
EUR to NOK

If we say that mtGox takes 2%, then we have 3.5% left unaccounted for. I suspect these are the fees that the banks have taken when converting currency. I do not know if mtGox charge anything for converting currency.

As i Understand it, european customers deposit money with the french bank account of mtGox, and is held there, unless there's a misbalance between mtGox bank accounts and funds needs to be moved.

If anyone would transfer say 10K USD, they'd have to pay approx. 500USD in fees if this model is to be accurate.

Account statement at mtGox could be more clear, as it's hard to see what fee is actually deducted from the transfer from the account statement.

Well, at least the money has arrived, although I think the fees are a bit steep. It took approx 5 business days for them to arrive, which is better than previous transfers that was larger.

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I did two, sum didn't matter, the first one (smaller sum) came in 5 days, the second one(a tad bit bigger) came in 4/4,5 days

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Quote from: MiningBuddy on July 09, 2011, 04:51:13 AM

They have an account in France, besides, SEPA only works WITHIN the EU so why you would assume mtgox doesn't have an EU bank account is beyond me.

Factually wrong. It works within the European Economic Area, not only within the EU.

Difference?

Wink

Like norway. I get a SEPA payment every week from a norwegian customer, and Norway is not within the EU.

Get your facts straight.

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You guys have to bear in mind that it may take a while for MtGox themself to transfer money from their different FX-accounts to pay you out in EUR/USD/AUD/YEN/whatever without having to charge you even more.

Personally, I find their 2% rule fairly expensive already - especially if you got more than 200BTC to sell (having to pay 200+€ for a 10000+€ transfer is just nuts).

I hope they figure out a way to cut down on those costs... or else I have to move someplace else for my €-withdraws.

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I also made a SEPA withdrawal on Monday and as of Saturday they did not arrive. I made another one on Tuesday and yet another on Wednesday - neither arrived yet. I am not yet very nervous because in the other way it was also taking a week to transfer.

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My guess - they speculate with the deposits. Thats why they dont send bigger withdrawls out right away, because they cant Wink

At first i too believed in the "others banks faults theory", but isnt it strange that small cashouts dont get stuck too ?

Anyway, the lottery wether its 1 day or 2 weeks should stop.

This is the good business practice you can expect from normal banks with
their "go away u f** customer and on your way out go f** yourself" attitude.

Gox, you are the MAIN trading place here. Do you really want to split your profits with
other trading places just because they can do reliable cashouts ?

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So they can't handle one of the core-areas of their bussiness? I think I choose some other service provider for myself.

BTW, next year it will be worse if next day transfers I have heard is true...

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Quote from: Ekaros on July 09, 2011, 04:46:52 AM

They should get account in some European bank inside SEPA. It shouldn't be an imposible solution and fees might go down... I pass mtGox untill they get SEPA transfers to max 3. banking days.

They have an account in France.

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Quote from: Ekaros on July 09, 2011, 04:46:52 AM

They should get account in some European bank inside SEPA. It shouldn't be an imposible solution and fees might go down... I pass mtGox untill they get SEPA transfers to max 3. banking days.

They have one in France.

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They should get account in some European bank inside SEPA. It shouldn't be an imposible solution and fees might go down... I pass mtGox untill they get SEPA transfers to max 3. banking days.

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I made a wire transfer in Euros around 12:00 GMT on Wednesday. I saw the email from them this morning (hadn't checked for the last 16 hours or so) and the funds where accessible immediately, no problems there. Both transfers I have made (one before the crash and this one) appeared on time.

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I would assume dealing with different regions they have banking in different regions. With such, funds can accumulate in one region and dry up in another region, and it would require to move portion/s of funds to be able to cover withdrawals where it may be in greater demand than existing balance. This of course is just an assumption. But I agree with you, customer at the very least needs to be aware when to expect to receive their money.

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Quote from: Herodes on July 08, 2011, 09:27:14 PM

Quote from: elements on July 08, 2011, 09:15:22 PM

I love bitmarket.eu!

Hey, I might just as well check that out. I just went to that site, but I see no link to register? Do I need an invite? And if so, could anyone provide it for me?

Just click on "REGISTER" Wink

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Quote from: elements on July 08, 2011, 09:15:22 PM

I love bitmarket.eu!

Hey, I might just as well check that out. I just went to that site, but I see no link to register? Do I need an invite? And if so, could anyone provide it for me?

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I love bitmarket.eu!

Buying bitcoins:

You just enter how much you wanna buy and which transaction method you are willing to use:

- national bank wire
- SEPA bank wire
- international bank wire
- PayPal
-Moneybookers

If there is a counterparty for your offer it will be filled immediately otherwise it gets in the orderbook. You'll be notified via email when the order has been filled (with instructions where to send the money).

Selling bitcoins:

You transfer bitcoins to your account (you can always send them back to your wallet).
You create a sell offer - then the amount of btc which you are willing to sell get "frozen" and your offer gets into the order book. As soon as someone bought your bitcoins you'll get an email. The counterparty will also get an email where to send the money (i. e. your bank account / paypal). When the money arrives, you confirm in your account that you have received the money and the coins get transferred into the counterparty's account.

So far I did

4 purchases and 11 sells - all went through very fast.

And there are no fees (you can donate but you don't have to).

Enjoy Wink

Herodes

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Jack: Thanks for the reply. I will hassle them unless funds haven't arrived the coming wednesday.

I think it would help greatly if they added another column to the account history named
"withdrawals" and "deposits". It could also be calculated your total profit.

I will file
them a ticket and suggest that.

On withdrawals, they could have those updated to 'sent to bank' or something like that when they're
actually processed.

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I only withdraw via wire transfer from Mt. Gox, never used other methods.
My longest transfer so far has taken 10 business days, and the shortest one 1 business day.

Received 2 transfers yesterday (Friday) that were initiated on Monday.

Considering people on other topics report getting their money at the exactly same time always, it's 100% certain they are sending them out in batches
(i.e. they have a certain time of the day when they send out their max. amount of allowed transfers by the bank)

The money can come from Sumimoto Mitsui Banking Corporation or Macaraja SAS but I only got money from Macaraja which is prob. slower.

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