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legendary
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Blackjack.fun
June 29, 2018, 02:12:05 PM
#34
Well, I will definitely offload some of my coins if ever I got re-payed.  Grin. Mr. Kobayashi already admitted that he is not dumping his coins directly on any exchanges so this complete FUD should be shut down at least. There's a lot of things happening from behind, that we really can't pinpoint the exact reason why the price keeps going down except to speculate manipulation specially that Mt. Gox trustee keeps dumping since last year. He had enough bitcoins already to at least pay everyone so its doesn't really matter at this point so we should eliminate him as the guy who keeps pulling the price down.

Prepared to be labeled as a weak hand, greedy investor, reptilian that wants to crash the price...list can go on...
You will also be held responsible for the 456th death of bitcoin   Grin

But reading what you've said, we can elaborate a new theory:
Kobayashi did sell OTC but the guys that bought the coins dumped them in order to crash the market for reasons unknown.
Once you apply 4 layers of tinfoil you will see it's quite possible.

Granted, there won't be immediate selling pressure, but when these coins will be released, it will count as extra potential selling pressure. Over 100,000BTC isn't a joke if by that time the price is $10,000-$15,000.

The price will be a joke if 100k BTC get dumped.
But I fear there will be a huge dump before they receive the coins so only a few will be able to high at a high price.
Probably, just as Kemarit said, most will sell only a tiny fraction and wait for the price to go up even more.

What will happen to all the BCH?


legendary
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June 28, 2018, 08:17:35 PM
#33
I'm beginning to think that the era that news like this would start influencing decisions of participants in the is gradually over because since last week when this broke, I was expecting an upward turn in the scheme of events concerning bitcoin price but unfortunately its reverse that its happening which further confirms that all the downward or upward trend associated with MtGox has been nothing but coincidences.

Why should there be anything affecting the current trend?
First, they've postponed the decision to at least February 2018, and second, do you think that coins going to be returned to their owners are going to be kept or...sold?
The moment those coins go back to their owners I expect a serious drop, people that were almost sure they will lose everything will get millions back. A lot of them will dump at least 10% to "celebrate" Cheesy.





Well, I will definitely offload some of my coins if ever I got re-payed.  Grin. Mr. Kobayashi already admitted that he is not dumping his coins directly on any exchanges so this complete FUD should be shut down at least. There's a lot of things happening from behind, that we really can't pinpoint the exact reason why the price keeps going down except to speculate manipulation specially that Mt. Gox trustee keeps dumping since last year. He had enough bitcoins already to at least pay everyone so its doesn't really matter at this point so we should eliminate him as the guy who keeps pulling the price down.
legendary
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June 28, 2018, 07:47:43 PM
#32
If this indeed stops, it is going to at least bring a little bit more confidence in the market, after all I knew some people that were waiting for the sell offs to begin again and take advantage of this since they did not wanted to buy bitcoin now and then lose money in the short term when that happened, this means people can begin to accumulate bitcoin with confidence once again without any fear.
The coins can still be dumped.

People suddenly obtain coins they never expected to have in the first place, which can be seen as a gift or bonus. Who says these people won't end up selling their coins? It's quite a realistic scenario.

Granted, there won't be immediate selling pressure, but when these coins will be released, it will count as extra potential selling pressure. Over 100,000BTC isn't a joke if by that time the price is $10,000-$15,000.

We'll see where it leads to, but at least it's good knowing that these coins won't end up being kept by the government. They could very easily made sure of that, but thus far they haven't. Smiley
sr. member
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June 28, 2018, 05:20:23 PM
#31
Hopefully it will stop the continuous fud in the market and bring a little positive effect to it.  The whole idea to sell the funds on open market instead of OTC was a joke lol.
If this indeed stops, it is going to at least bring a little bit more confidence in the market, after all I knew some people that were waiting for the sell offs to begin again and take advantage of this since they did not wanted to buy bitcoin now and then lose money in the short term when that happened, this means people can begin to accumulate bitcoin with confidence once again without any fear.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
June 28, 2018, 09:24:14 AM
#30
I'm beginning to think that the era that news like this would start influencing decisions of participants in the is gradually over because since last week when this broke, I was expecting an upward turn in the scheme of events concerning bitcoin price but unfortunately its reverse that its happening which further confirms that all the downward or upward trend associated with MtGox has been nothing but coincidences.

Why should there be anything affecting the current trend?
First, they've postponed the decision to at least February 2018, and second, do you think that coins going to be returned to their owners are going to be kept or...sold?
The moment those coins go back to their owners I expect a serious drop, people that were almost sure they will lose everything will get millions back. A lot of them will dump at least 10% to "celebrate" Cheesy.



sr. member
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June 27, 2018, 04:28:24 PM
#29
I'm beginning to think that the era that news like this would start influencing decisions of participants in the is gradually over because since last week when this broke, I was expecting an upward turn in the scheme of events concerning bitcoin price but unfortunately its reverse that its happening which further confirms that all the downward or upward trend associated with MtGox has been nothing but coincidences.
Related to the correction problem refers to the really sharp fud news like a razor .. I also a not take action to sell panic in this situation and still have positive thinking to hold .. MtGox will probably continue to be associated with even bitcoin values ..
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June 27, 2018, 03:52:11 PM
#28
This guy crashed the market lol Cheesy I think they didn't stop they are just waiting for another bull run to sell their bitcoin. Selling at $6000 is definetely not a good decision.
hero member
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June 27, 2018, 03:07:28 PM
#27
I'm beginning to think that the era that news like this would start influencing decisions of participants in the is gradually over because since last week when this broke, I was expecting an upward turn in the scheme of events concerning bitcoin price but unfortunately its reverse that its happening which further confirms that all the downward or upward trend associated with MtGox has been nothing but coincidences.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
June 27, 2018, 09:26:27 AM
#26
Im absolutely agree. I cant understand why this bastard not seat in prison?? He stolen money and now was selling BTC and dumping price and even earned billions. They stolen money in BTC and must return in BTC as well, not in fiat by 2014y rate.

It's not Karpeles who is selling, it's the trustee that was appointed by the court.
If it were for MagicalTux you won;t be seeing any coins getting sold but none of the guys that lost money with MtGox would see a penny either.

As for his trial, I think he was released on bail, he still faces charges for embezzlement.


March 03, 2014, Today filed a motion for civil rehabilitation proceedings for Mt Gox
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/today-filed-a-motion-for-civil-rehabilitation-proceedings-for-mt-gox-498120

and this:

May 18, 2018,We’re coordinating legal action
Quote
Creditors of the Mt Gox bankruptcy proceedings. We’re coordinating legal action to stop more than $2,000,000,000 surplus from going to the people responsible for the exchange when it was hacked, and instead have it shared among creditors who were victims of crime.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.24392977
https://www.mtgoxlegal.com/

Probably have a lot to do with the decision to enter into civil rehabilitation proceedings by the trustee.

The MtGox has entered civil rehabilitation last Friday
https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20180622_announcement_en.pdf

But, no rush...
Submission deadline for proposed rehabilitation plan: February 14, 2019  Grin Grin
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June 27, 2018, 08:30:27 AM
#25
This is obviously good news. That Kobayashi bastard was dumping coins every X time and creating these big red candles. It was ridiculous enough to do it on some exchange (I think Kraken) instead of OTC as they should.

What is extra ridiculous is the fact that they had to dump the price first to realize creditors just wanted their BTC back, not their money in fiat, because that is unfair for both thet people that bought BTC way cheaper back then and now should be up big time, and unfair for current holders which have suffered this massive selloff. So first they crush the price and then they give them back their BTC, so stupid.

Anyway, until every last creditor has recovered their BTC I will not consider it a victory, but it's definitely better than the constant FUD of Kobayashi dumping another bunch of BTC.

Im absolutely agree. I cant understand why this bastard not seat in prison?? He stolen money and now was selling BTC and dumping price and even earned billions. They stolen money in BTC and must return in BTC as well, not in fiat by 2014y rate.

That probably will be felt after the bitcoins are distributed to the recipients next year. And let's hope most of them are intending to keep their bitcoins since they should be well in profit already and could sell off in bulk hurting the market further
legendary
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฿ear ride on the rainbow slide
June 24, 2018, 09:07:12 PM
#24

Im absolutely agree. I cant understand why this bastard not seat in prison?? He stolen money and now was selling BTC and dumping price and even earned billions. They stolen money in BTC and must return in BTC as well, not in fiat by 2014y rate.

The trustee is following Japanese law. Under Japanese bankruptcy law the amount owed to creditors is the value at the time. Regardless of whether it goes up or down.

I don't know all the ins and outs of the legal processes there but this:

March 03, 2014, Today filed a motion for civil rehabilitation proceedings for Mt Gox
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/today-filed-a-motion-for-civil-rehabilitation-proceedings-for-mt-gox-498120

and this:

May 18, 2018,We’re coordinating legal action
Quote
Creditors of the Mt Gox bankruptcy proceedings. We’re coordinating legal action to stop more than $2,000,000,000 surplus from going to the people responsible for the exchange when it was hacked, and instead have it shared among creditors who were victims of crime.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.24392977
https://www.mtgoxlegal.com/

Probably have a lot to do with the decision to enter into civil rehabilitation proceedings by the trustee.

It is quite a difficult situation since nobody will ever be completely happy with the outcome and there are defined legal processes to be followed. People lost of lot of bitcoins and unless they can all be returned - with interest. People will feel ripped off.

 
OP - I've added this thread to: Bitcointalk history of MtGox and how a Bitcointalk post caught the MtGox hacker.
sr. member
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June 24, 2018, 04:03:36 AM
#23
This is obviously good news. That Kobayashi bastard was dumping coins every X time and creating these big red candles. It was ridiculous enough to do it on some exchange (I think Kraken) instead of OTC as they should.

What is extra ridiculous is the fact that they had to dump the price first to realize creditors just wanted their BTC back, not their money in fiat, because that is unfair for both thet people that bought BTC way cheaper back then and now should be up big time, and unfair for current holders which have suffered this massive selloff. So first they crush the price and then they give them back their BTC, so stupid.

Anyway, until every last creditor has recovered their BTC I will not consider it a victory, but it's definitely better than the constant FUD of Kobayashi dumping another bunch of BTC.

Im absolutely agree. I cant understand why this bastard not seat in prison?? He stolen money and now was selling BTC and dumping price and even earned billions. They stolen money in BTC and must return in BTC as well, not in fiat by 2014y rate.
legendary
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June 24, 2018, 03:28:59 AM
#22
This is obviously good news. That Kobayashi bastard was dumping coins every X time and creating these big red candles. It was ridiculous enough to do it on some exchange (I think Kraken) instead of OTC as they should.

What is extra ridiculous is the fact that they had to dump the price first to realize creditors just wanted their BTC back, not their money in fiat, because that is unfair for both thet people that bought BTC way cheaper back then and now should be up big time, and unfair for current holders which have suffered this massive selloff. So first they crush the price and then they give them back their BTC, so stupid.

Anyway, until every last creditor has recovered their BTC I will not consider it a victory, but it's definitely better than the constant FUD of Kobayashi dumping another bunch of BTC.

But who are these new bastards crashing this market, and how low do they want Bitcoin to go? I demand an answer so I would know in what price to buy. Hahaha.

Joking aside, watching this crash really hurts my heart. Sad
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June 24, 2018, 12:49:27 AM
#21
yeah probably a good thing
legendary
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Shuffle.com
June 24, 2018, 12:03:13 AM
#20
Good decision by him then. It won't have no effect, because even if the news is good sometimes the price goes down and vice versa. But it should have a minor effect as it really does not have anything to do with the fundamentals of Bitcoin.
For now it won't have any effect maybe in the future it would stop a lot of traders from worrying after this news. If the article shared by figment was true then the trustee probably sold it together with the private keys.

It's a good thing they halt. I bet they too don't want to lose money because of the current price of bitcoin. In another perspective, I guess they should just dump all they want to now, not when the price will pump, they will start doing their thing. And moreover, I never wanted to believe that they might contribute to the recent price decrease but with this news, I guess I have been wrong.
At first, you said it's a good thing then now you want them to continue what they've started. Either way price could still go down because the creditors have the choice to dump as soon as they get their Bitcoin back.
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June 23, 2018, 10:34:29 PM
#19
It's a good thing they halt. I bet they too don't want to lose money because of the current price of bitcoin. In another perspective, I guess they should just dump all they want to now, not when the price will pump, they will start doing their thing. And moreover, I never wanted to believe that they might contribute to the recent price decrease but with this news, I guess I have been wrong.
legendary
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June 23, 2018, 01:15:46 PM
#18
This is obviously good news. That Kobayashi bastard was dumping coins every X time and creating these big red candles. It was ridiculous enough to do it on some exchange (I think Kraken) instead of OTC as they should.

huh? i think that was misinformation. bitcoiners love a conspiracy theory to explain drops in price. Grin

he confirmed that he wasn't dumping directly on exchanges:

Anyway, until every last creditor has recovered their BTC I will not consider it a victory, but it's definitely better than the constant FUD of Kobayashi dumping another bunch of BTC.

if we were in a bull market, this could have been a bullish catalyst because of the perceived supply implications. but because this is a bear market, bullish news doesn't matter.
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June 23, 2018, 09:40:21 AM
#17
Defunct Bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox has formally entered civil rehabilitation proceedings, officials announced June 22.

A statement and accompanying documentation confirm the move, which will see attorney Nobuaki Kobayashi act as civil rehabilitation trustee.

Kobayashi was responsible for selling vast tranches of Bitcoin reserves beginning Q4 last year to reimburse Mt. Gox users who lost money in the exchange’s mass hack in late 2013. The sell-offs appeared to have a conspicuous effect on markets, Bitcoin prices tumbling immediately following each transaction, which Kobayashi performed on major exchanges.

“The power and authority to administer and dispose of MTGOX’s assets is still vested exclusively in me, and I will implement the civil rehabilitation proceedings, including the administration of MTGOX’s assets and the investigation of claims, subject to the Tokyo District Court’s supervision,” Kobayashi wrote in the new documentation.

However, due to the bankruptcy proceedings now being halted as part of the civil rehabilitation, Kobayashi will not sell any further bitcoins, with users set to receive compensation in BTC instead of fiat currency as originally intended.

“...In the civil 2 rehabilitation proceedings in this matter, claims seeking a refund of Bitcoins (“Bitcoin Claims”) will also not be converted into monetary claims after the commencement of the civil rehabilitation proceedings,” Kobayashi continues.

Reacting to the news, a group of claimants who had established Mt. Gox Creditors lobby group out of dissatisfaction with progress considered it a mixed blessing.

“...Enormous assets, which were to be distributed to Mt. Gox’s shareholders under the bankruptcy proceedings, will be returned to creditors of Mt.Gox in civil rehabilitation proceedings. This is the creditors’ victory,” a statement from the group reads.

“...However, this victory has not been realized yet. The victory will come to creditors when Mt. Gox makes payment to creditors and creditors actually receive such payment.”

Mt. Gox became infamous in the crypto industry after suffering a hack, followed by a collapse in 2014, resulting in the loss of $473 million worth of customers’ money - the single largest loss of funds in the history of crypto until this year’s $534 million Coincheck hack.

This news I believe will at least douse the sell-off tension in the market and probably cure the MtGox fever. This is what I expected should have been done anyway, right from the onset.

Do you think this should somehow bring about some recovery in the market, or do you think it would have no impact? From what I can see though, I want to assume the downtrend in the market is far beyond the MtGox sell-off which was just more like what added fuel to it, but the downtrend was rather imminent from the manipulated FOMO activity that happened last year. What are your thoughts on this?

Mt. Gox official says they may start paying back their creditors as soon as next year. They claimed the initial discovery of the missing/hacked 850,000 Bitcoin in the year 2014, Mt. Gox has found 200,000 Bitcoin of them.

At the time of the Mt. Gox hack event in 2014, Bitcoin price was $483 which has a value of $96.6 mln for 200,000 Bitcoin.
The recovered funds have been frozen in the Mt Gox bankruptcy estate for four years, The recovered 200,000 Bitcoin is now worth an estimated $1.2 Bln in Bitcoin
 (at 1BTC=$6,100) without its forks, Bitcoin Cash.
Quite impressive investment, huh?
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June 23, 2018, 08:51:23 AM
#16
We should really be careful if this guy tweets he will go to the toilet we might see a drop of 20%
@bolded: Grin I won't be surprised, even if the dump has nothing to do with MtGox.

It was really nice seeing people's opinion though, but one thing I have noticed even before now is that, we all like trying to justify every move in the market by attaching it with something, most especially when it tends to dump activities.
 
Like brewmaster stated above with the whole chart thing, and from the article, most of the dump has been done the whole Q4, but when we all found out, it seems the fever just fell on everyone and it was either MtGox this or that, which I believe it is psychologically normal.

My bone of contention however is that from how things have been playing out and like I said initially that the pop was imminent, the bears dropped the bomb and was already set to drop the market big, which is why we still see some form of manipulation even as we keep going down, but the whole blame was rather pushed on MtGox instead which I believe everything is going to be clear at this point. Although, like the article mentioned, the victory has not been realized yet until creditors receive their pay, so I guess we see who things pan out from here.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
June 22, 2018, 06:52:47 PM
#15
Lol, this is just toooooo funny

Kobayashi sells some bitcoins, price drops 10%
Kobayashi moves some bitcoins, price drops 10%
Kobayashi says he won't sell any coin anymore, price drops 10%

We should really be careful if this guy tweets he will go to the toilet we might see a drop of 20%
So we will receive btc instead of dollar? How can we check how much BTC we had at the bankcrupcy time?

He claims he has enough $ to cover all losses, so I doubt there will be any BTC refund.




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