Topic: MultiBit HD 0.1 released (Read 4465 times)

There is no currency ticker no - for MultiBit HD we've removed quite a lot from the UI (for simplicity's sake).
I tend to just use bitcoinaverage.com or preev.com

is there a way to show what the value of 1 BTC is like in classic? it was always on the top right hand side. 

Thanks for your feedback - glad you got it working.

Thank you Jim!
You are always ready to reply if anyone has a problem with Multibit.

I changed the directory I set as cloud backup and now it works properly. Quite strange anyway...

Most likely it means that it cannot copy the backups it creates periodically to the directory you have set as the cloud backup directory.
If you look in Manage wallet | Wallet dashboard you can see where it is trying to copy to.

There will be more details in the log file. This is in the application data directory (also shown in the Wallet dashboard) in the logs directory. It is the file multibit-hd.log

At the top of the client, it is displayed " Backup failed. Please check history... "
What does it mean and how to fix it?

In 0.1.2 you can increase the fee to 0.000 5  BTC/KB if you need to.

There is no definitive place to find what the 'right' fee level is. I normally look at https://tradeblock.com/blockchain and watch the fees paid in the bottom right for a while.

Bitcoin core can also give you fee estimates via RPC if you have access to a node.

I feel really unsecure regarding this, as far as I can see I can see there's only one thing regarding fees to change. I've maxed it out now to 0.0001...

"Users are going to have to 'take a reading' for what spam is hitting the network and tweak their fees accordingly." - where do I do this?

Transaction fees are definitely causing frustration to Bitcoin users at the moment.

At the moment in MBHD v0.1.1 a user can specify (in Preferences | Fees) a miners' fee of:

0.01 mBTC/ KB to 0.1 mBTC/ KB with a default value of 0.03 mBTC/KB


In the past the lower end of this fee range meant a delay in confirmation, but only a few blocks. Now, if your fee rate is lower than that of the spam transactions that are hitting the network there's a big delay.

In the upcoming release v0.1.2 we've extended the range to:

0.01 mBTC/KB to 0.5 mBTC/KB with a default for new installs of 0.1 mBTC/KB


Users are going to have to 'take a reading' for what spam is hitting the network and tweak their fees accordingly. Choosing the lower end of the fee range is going to encounter a delay. This may or may not be acceptable depending on what you are doing.

There isn't a reliable decentralised way of knowing what the fee distribution of transactions in the Bitcoin network is currently.

edit: corrected figures.

Again, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1118204.new#new, no transaction fee 24 hour wait time or so..

Update notes?

@5cMXezpBtm

The short answer is that we don't want to show too many numbers on the main MultiBit HD screen.

Long answer:

Most bitcoiners are pretty numerate but a surprising number of people don't like numbers.
If you see someone, say in a cafe, with a spreadsheet or adding up numbers and ask them what they are doing they will answer 'oh, it's just work'. They never say: "oh, just having some fun with numbers Check this out !'.

If you do a side by side comparision of MultiBit Classic and HD, say here, you can see that the number of visual elements (and especially numbers) is much reduced. This is to keep things simple and reduce the cognitive load of using MultiBit HD.


Longer answer:

There are a few things in bitcoin which aren't as simple as they appear.
For instance: as Bitcoin is fully decentralised time is a bit amorphous. Time in common parlance is always monotonic, you have a well defined 'before' and 'after' and hence can order transactions. You cannot really do this in Bitcoin but all wallets fudge it slightly as we are so used to monotonically increasing time. (If you have done any special relativity it is similar, 'before' and 'after' are not well defined for space-like intervals.

Also the idea of a balance of a wallet at a particular point in time is a little bit conditional. A wallet is really saying:
"As far as I know from the information from the peers I am connected to, given the current state of the main chain, which may be reorganised at any time, the total of all the unspent transaction outputs under control of the private keys in this wallet is X BTC". There are a few ifs and buts in there.

You can quite legitimately have two versions of MultiBit HD running on different machines and they will see transactions at different times and in a different order and hence have different balances at a particular point in time.

With MultiBit HD we try to hide these complexities where possible and where it is safe to do so.

Why is there no balance column in the payments tab, like e.g. on mytrezor.com? It would be comfortable, if one could see what the wallet balance was before a transaction and afterwards, so one can see if all is right. Or did I miss something?

The stress test on Monday created a huge backlog of transactions so that is most likely the cause.

If you want to see the state of the Bitcoin network, TradeBlock is excellent:
https://tradeblock.com/blockchain/

This transaction is taking ages!


Why is it set to medium priority? I haven't touched any fee settings, it's taken over 1 hour now I am worried I will lose it..

EDIT: OK now it's on high prio, I changed the fee to 0.0001 instead.

Thanks !
And even better you only use the Bitcoin network to get your transaction info and to send your transactions.
There are no intermediate servers to go down and stop you accessing your bitcoin.

I love this! Just gotta keep track of the words and you can login anywhere.

Oh well at least it got discussed

Thanks for the feedback.

I've added your suggestion as an issue under Discussion here: https://github.com/bitcoin-solutions/multibit-hd/issues/630

@essexsend
I have raised an issue in github to cover what you are experiencing:
https://github.com/bitcoin-solutions/multibit-hd/issues/626

The transaction for a newly generated coin is now cleared payments is still not available and running repair wallet has yet to have any effect. It is possible that newly generated coins instigated the effect however and more troubling is the fact that the condition persists although now under the Send/Receive menu option the two requests for the collection of zero bitcoins have appeared as a list under requests button. Payments though is still inaccessible and condition persists after an application restart.

By the way can we have Currency Ticker back on one of your next builds it is very useful at least I find it so!

Good looking forward to a simple fix then

Thanks for your log - I'll have a look.
It could very well be something to do with your pristinely new bitcoins yes.

Newly generated coins take 100 confirmations to be spendable, might that be an issue here?

I did one report a little while ago so might find one with essexsend on and one without, I am installing new bitcoins, Ie those that are generated via a miner would that be the cause it was working ok until it received it's first transaction. This is still shown as unconfirmed in title with little or no sign of being confirmed any time soon. I will follow your suggestion a little later thanks for the help.

Couple of things you can try:
+ Download Mike Hearn's Lighthouse software (https://www.vinumeris.com/lighthouse) which uses the same encoding of the wallet words as MultiBit HD. There's an option in "Set up wallet" to load a set of wallet words. Try putting in your MultiBit HD wallet words and letting it sync. If everything works properly you'll see your balance. Then you can do an 'Empty wallet' to your wallet of choice.
+ Once you've done that and your bitcoins are safe, in MultiBit HD go into the Help and do 'Report error'. In the comments section put in a note that it is from you i.e put in 'essexsend' and upload the log file to our server. I will have a look at it in the next day or two. It may be that there is some error occurring in the loading/ rendering of the payment info.

Yep sorry should have mentioned I tried that did noting but complete the repair process did nothing to restore the wallet to a working condition.

There is an option in Manage wallet to 'Repair wallet' which resyncs the wallet.
If you try that and let it sync does it improve things ?

Hi Jim and others very nice job on the new version of MultiBit

Following I think all the instructions I accessed the classic version of MultiBit and sent my funds to the new account in the new wallet run on Multibit HD. Yesterday all was working fine all the buttons tabs whatever would work and the time taken to verify transactions is much much better.

However I do have a problem yesterday as I said all buttons for individual application settings worked fine, today the payment setting button or tab or whatever you want to call it is not showing the history of the payments made on the previous day or even today.

Machine is a dell precision 690
with plenty of ram and hard disk space
Using a dual display Nvidia card
OS Linux Mint 14.4.2
openjdk-7-jre

I have quite a sum of money tied up in this wallet it still shows the total sum received and a +unconfirmed B 0.00 063121 ~ GDP 0.10

The peers equal 10 but have done all day the internet is ok as I am posting this alert

What I guess as happening is I can select any of the menu buttons down left hand side and these will show it's contents for any given selection unless I choose payment which might give me the previous selection item or nothing at all. I am certainly not seeing any of yesterdays or today's payments.

If i choose Send/Receive and select request even when it is a blank receive normally it would list this underneath Request and show up in Payments now this does neither.

The one thing I have failed to do because I didn't think is relevant was to run the post install script perhaps that has something to do with it?

Please advise not going to be happy if I can not access the money in the wallet it may not be much but it is all I have.

The first thing MultiBit HD does is check a file on multibit.org to see if there is a new version to update to.
If there is a problem at all doing this you'll see this dialog.

If you dismiss it you'll see the main MultiBit HD UI start up.

MultiBit HD can work quite happily without multibit.org so just carry on and log into your wallet.

Of course, if you have _no_ internet connection you'll not be able to connect to the Bitcoin network and won't get very far.
If after you've opened your wallet you get a warning message that your exchange rate provider cannot be connected to and you cannot get any peer connections that is a pretty good indicator that your internet connection has gone bang.

Cant connect to mine;



Help please!

You can see each individual payment request address by drilling down on the transaction that paid it in the Payments table.

Just double click on the transaction and go through the Transaction details wizard. It's the last screen.

You can also do an export of everything and get all the transactions/ payment requests into CSV files. It's the Export button on the Payments screen. This does NOT contain private keys though.

We don't export private keys anywhere as the wallet words is used in wallet recovery. With HD wallets private keys are generated on demand and so we don't expose them on the UI anywhere.

Thanks in advance for your efforts on the Turkish translation !

I just downloaded Multibit HD. Overall it looks very good. I have questions.
Where to find old address when I create by pressing Request button? Is there a page I can view old addresses list? Can I extract them (with privkeys) to .txt file like when I used to do in Multibit?
I'm gonna help your Turkish translation.

MultiBit HD has now replaced MultiBit Classic on the 'Choose your wallet page' on bitcoin.org

We have also refreshed the https://multibit.org in line with what was on https://beta.multibit.org



Note: MultiBit Classic downloads are still available if you still need them.
(Go to https://multibit.org , click on 'Download, then look at the bottom of the 'Releases and signatures' section).

@RappelzReborn

There is help on the mechanics of restoring a wallet here:
https://multibit.org/en/help/hd0.1/restore-wallet.html

Also there are more technical details of the backup process here:
https://multibit.org/en/help/hd0.1/backups.html

The idea is:
1) You set up SpiderOak / Dropbox to replicate a folder somewhere on your machine into the cloud.
2) You specify that directory to MultiBit HD and it will regularly copy cloud backups to that folder (which then get copied off into the cloud).

RE: addresses - yes the most private thing to do is request an address fresh for each new transaction. Put some text in the note field so that you know what that address was for / who you gave it to.

Can anyone please answer my question above ? thanks , need this ASAP .

"Thanks for your answer man , something else what's that Cloud folder or whatever his name is ? I'am not sure what I'am supposed to do with that AES Encrypted file ? Should I keep a backup of it or something ? my PC is total shit so I wanna make sure I will be safe in case of a computer failure , so what backups do I need to take ? "Seed" or "wallet words" as you call it is all I need to restore my bitcoins ?

Also for the adresses thing , to give somone my adress , I should go to "Request Payment" , Copy the adress and give it to the Sender ? also can I give the adress multiple times or I should change it each time . thanks and sorry if I'am bothering you I just wanna be sure 100%"

Thanks,  I found addresses in both places without problem and again I dont think this is an actual issue. If someone wants me to sign a message with a certain message they would usually know the address already, e.g. because I have used it in the past.

Thanks for your answer man , something else what's that Cloud folder or whatever his name is ? I'am not sure what I'am supposed to do with that AES Encrypted file ? Should I keep a backup of it or something ? my PC is total shit so I wanna make sure I will be safe in case of a computer failure , so what backups do I need to take ? "Seed" or "wallet words" as you call it is all I need to restore my bitcoins ?

Also for the adresses thing , to give somone my adress , I should go to "Request Payment" , Copy the adress and give it to the Sender ? also can I give the adress multiple times or I should change it each time . thanks and sorry if I'am bothering you I just wanna be sure 100%

Thanks for your feedback.

The reason there isn't a cancel on the Request is: Once we've shown you the request address it is 'live'. You might have copied it or viewed the QR code. We have to treat it as being able to have bitcoin sent to.

If you don't put in an amount we put in an amount of zero just so that if you receive any amount on that it'll get marked as paid.

No, there isn't a list of raw addresses. We avoid showing raw bitcoin addresses whenever we can.
The payments screen gives:
+ Payment requests that haven't been paid yet
+ Payment requests that have been partially paid.
+ Transactions received and sent.
+ If you receive a transaction you can drill down and see the matching payment requests.

These are all high level entities - things that people sending and receiving money are interested in.
We've put raw addresses pretty low down in the mix, just as you don't see the low level transaction ids on your bank statement.

The Release 0.1 is on https://beta.multibit.org whilst we gather feedback on it. It has had about 900 downloads in the last week or so so we'll probably move it over to the main site (https://multibit.org) soonish. The binaries won't be any different though.

Some of the alerts and the installer are a bit 'Windows' yes but as we are developing across Win / Linux / Mac and want the same layout on each it's inevitable it won't look native I am afraid.

Hi again ,

Now and I just installed it (Windows 8.1) I have some suggestions/questions I guess

First on the "Send/Request" Tab , If you click "Send" there is a "Cancel" button on the page opened , however when you click "Request" there is only " Finish" button and no "Cancel" Button which makes the user forced to click "Finish" then a 0.0000 BTC Request gets added to that list under "Request" button for no reason .
Secondly , There is no list of adresses ? That's a shame . If there is could you please lead me and tell me where are they ? If there isn't I guess you should add one of list of adresses like on the Multbit Classic instead of clicking "Request Payment" each time and have to copy adress.
Thirdly , is the wallet pretty safe to use ? Because you says it's released officialy and the link is "Beta" so I'am just a little bit Paranoid and would like to confirm .
Also you should work on the alerts even if not something important however the first alert looks like Windows error message poped

I will keep exploring the wallet and put my suggestions or questions ? If you don't have a problem with that of course .
Also I give you 10/10 for the Graphic user interface and also for the Logo (icon of the application) at least it's PNG this time and we don't see white on the borders 

There isnt a raw list of addresses no, mainly as we have put te raw Bitcoin addresses quite 'low in the mix'.

You can see addresses in:
+ the contact list
+ the payment request, either on its own or when it is matched to a payment. (Look at the transaction details).

Any descriptive text and tags is also used in searches so you can type in the payments search field anything related to the tx and find it.


Probably the easiest is to create a contact with the address you are interested in when you sign it.

this is great news for me, because I prefer slightly more old(original) conservative (and geeky) layout and interface.) anyway, great job as always.

This may seem like a somewhat odd question, but is there a list of addresses?

I just made a test wallet for my how to sign a message guide[1] and while I like the wallet and the extensive set of features (need to test it with some coins in the future) I was unable to find a list of addresses. When I "request" payment I see the wallet is generating new addresses in the background nicely and even addresses from deleted und unused requests are not reused. I can also copy and paste them into the sign window and sign a message with them. I wonder though if I would be using the wallet for a while and wanted to sign a message with an old address I did not write down elsewhere, where would I find it? To be clear, I cant think of an issue this could cause, its just that Im not sure whether Im just blinded by new software or if there is no list.


[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-to-sign-a-message-990345

MultiBit Classic (the original MultiBit) will continue to be usable yes.

We'll do updates for any security, network and bug fixes but all the good stuff will be going into MultiBit HD.


The nice thing about the MultiBit architecture is that they both connect directly to the Bitcoin network so they don't actually rely on multibit.org being up at all.


The MultiBit Classic installers will still be available on the new site (which will look like the current https://beta.multibit.org) but you'll have to rummage around a little as we'll be presenting the MultiBit HD installers up front and centre.

On multibit.org it says that multibit classic will be replaced by multibit hd soon

will multibit classic no longer be usable in the future ?   i personally prefer this one over hd probably because i'm more familiar with it but also because i don't like having to remember/store a 12 seed number, i prefer to have my encrypted files.

Great thread there RappelzReborn.

Looks like Windows 10 is playing nicely with everyone's wallet software which is reassuring.

Like I told you I made a thread about wallets that are compatible with Windows 10 and I just  got an answer about Multibit & Electrum => https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11600651 You may wanna check it out , He most likely tested Multibit classic but there is another answer under it . I hope it helps you like it did for me

Thanks for your feedback.

I must admit I don't have a definitive answer for you about Windows 10 support for either MultiBit Classic nor HD.

Our Windows tests machine are on older versions than that.
If anyone has a Windows 10 machine and would like to try it out that would be very useful.

There is no reason why they wouldn't work as they are all signed etc but the devil is in the detail with new OS releases.

First of all ,I want to say very good job on the wallet and thanks for your efforts .
I don't know if you saw my thread on "Beginners and Help" section however I want to know if your Multibit wallet or Multibit HD is compatible with Windows 10 ? (Preview or Final version)

Thanks for your feedback.

One of the beta testers suggested it so we added it in.

What a great nice idea to waive all MBHD client usage fee (BRIT) for a wallet up to the amount of donations to MBHD project! Very nice.

Just go to preferences->fees->Button "Donate now".

E.g. For a donation from the wallet of 0.01 BTC (currently 2,29 USD) there won't be any BRIT fee for the next 1000 sending transactions. Quite moderate and fair. At least at the current exchange rate.... 

The short version is that software development costs money.

For the longer version, have a read of a blog article we wrote a while ago about funding models and privacy:
https://multibit.org/blog/2014/04/11/multibit-hd-brit.html

Why have you included a forced fee to multibit?

Hello Everybody,

MultiBit HD 0.1 is now available for download at https://beta.multibit.org

This is the culmination of over 18 months of effort. The beta phase is complete and this is a finished product that we believe is suitable for mainstream users.
Gary and I would like to thank everyone who has helped us get to this point through donations, feedback, translations and advice.


Here are the important capabilities of MultiBit HD:

• simple and intuitive user interface - big accessible controls each with a clear purpose
• no worrying about losing private keys any more - use your "wallet words" (seed phrase) to restore them
• fast and lightweight block chain download just like MultiBit Classic (SPV) about 25MB overall
• private Contacts database with private notes and tags
• private Payments database with integrated exchange rates
• adjustable fees
• adjustable units (support for bits, ubits, millis etc)
• integrated exchange rates from multiple exchanges to support national currencies
• export transactions with spot rates to a financial package in standard CSV format
• themes to suit different lighting conditions
• detailed integrated Help if you get stuck
• available in many languages

Disaster recovery features
Everybody experiences data loss at some point. Here is how you are shielded from this using MultiBit HD:

• you lose your password - click Restore on credentials screen and recover it from local backup with your "wallet words" (seed phrase)
• you delete all your local backups (hard drive error) - automatic restore from cloud backup
• you delete all your local and cloud backups (stolen laptop) - select "Restore from wallet words" and follow the instructions
• you forget your wallet words - unlock your firesafe and retrieve the laminated paper copy you made
• you lose your Trezor - restore the Trezor wallet from your "wallet words" and move the bitcoins to safety

More technically minded readers will want to know that we support the following:

• open source under modified MIT licence
• pure SPV - connect directly to the Bitcoin network
• random peer discovery (plus it will use your local Bitcoin Core if you are running one)
• Tor support out of the box (optional)
• Trezor support out of the box (just plug it in)
• all data is encrypted locally using entropy gathered from your wallet words (12, 18 or 24)
• hierarchical deterministic (HD) wallet support BIP32 and BIP44 (account 1 only in each case because it's SPV)
• all data automatically backed up to a location of your choice (encrypted)
• detailed transaction information
• support for BIP21/72 links and Payment Protocol BIP70
• multiple block explorers
• sign/verify of Bitcoin messages - use Copy/Paste All to fill all fields in one click
• simple self-contained installer for Windows, OS X and Linux with semi-automatic updates
• various wallet management tools such as emptying a wallet with accurate fee calculation
• integrated error reporting over HTTPS providing GPG encrypted anonymised logs

Just a couple of closing notes:
We're keeping it on the beta site for a couple of days to give people time to verify it on a wide range of platforms.
There is a large amount of supporting information at https://beta.multibit.org

Once again, thanks to everyone who made this possible!