Topic: Murat the worst campaign manager? (Read 950 times)

~doubt~

While I'm a huge fan of necrobumping threads to add nothing of value and build suspense. You should have just created a scam accusation topic detailing how you were scammed.
Saving you the trouble, you can find the scam accusation levied against Ledu here [SCAM]LEDU CAMPAIGN if you so choose. I'll get my popcorn and can't wait to see the proof... 6 months later, am I reading that right. seems odd but I've shown you the way.

Murat is indeed the biggest bounty manager scammer on Bitcointalk.

He scammed LEDU token team big time. This is not the first time he is scamming projects and bounty participants on Bitcointalk. He collects payment and then uses his own Bitcointalk accounts
to participate in bounties, do fake upvoting on Bitcointalk and then does not pay bounty participants their money out.

Murat is a big frausdster based in Bangladesh and no project should ever hire him as a campaign manager.

He tried to extort Bitcoin and ETH from LEDU team and did not even pay bounty participants for the LEDU bounty  he was assigned to manage. LEDU team had to pay bounty participants again because Murat disappeared with the bounty money and did not pay bounty participants. He had the audacity to request additional funds after the bounty was paid to him.

Hiring Murat was the biggest mistake LEDU team made on Bitcointalk. Avoid Murat at all cost. He style of running bounty campaigns violates all Bitcointalk rules.

I will publish a separate thread on Murat's fraudulent behavior on a new thread soon.

Seems names mentioned on the OP really inactive. Although a manager reserve right to qualify or disqualify any users but they should also care about company who is paying for manage their campaign. This is manager responsible to give a reasonable output from the campaign. I can't see any reason how a inactive user could give good outcome.

Although I am new on the campaign field but I always try to choose the best participants from whoever applied. If in case I do not found participants what exactly I am looking for, then I just keep title 'OPEN' and let apply new participants. I think most of reputed managers are doing same instead of choose inactive participants.

However, we can't do anything with his campaign nor we could force him. I think better OP might ask Murat directly via PM or talk with the team directly instead of create thread.

If you ask for my opinion on this issue, this should be the initial intention behind this kind of thread, although it isn't majority of the time. The act of calling out campaign manager to take correction and better themselves shouldn't be discouraged. It's the campaign managers right to choose who ever he feels is worthy of promoting the campaign he's managing but that doesn't mean his actions can't be questions and clarification been given to the community on reasons why such actions were taken.

Don't forget, it's a collective effort to better the forum, inactive shitposters or active spammers in general shouldn't be encourage to by been given slots in campaign to continue their spamming of the forum, instead correction should be given to them, advising them to better themselves and probably will have a better chance of getting accepted in the campaigns or other campaigns in the future. The managers are humans too who aren't immune to mistakes so when such scenario occurs, you call them out and it get resolved like it has in this case. No hard feeling.

You may say I'm biased since I'm part of the campaign but I was one of the first members that got accepted and ever since one user have posted his opinion about accepting inactive members that has merit murat actually listened and removed them all. Even if you say you have created a reputation thread against him before doing this, the point is he listened and have removed them and replace them with new members. Other than that it is his campaign and he manages the promotion of that project he has in his every right who will be part of the campaign or not, signature campaigns are not some kind of democracy where if your account wasn't selected it will suddenly become unfair because they have accepted others. And as far as for his future campaigns will go, I think he will learn from this situation and start accepting members who are actually active in the forum.

He may or may not doing the job properly but this isn't a good approach at all I guess. He has been recruited by the project itself and they have given him the right to run the campaign as per his ways unless he is abusing the campaign with his alt. The things you pointed could have been done through PM as well. That would be a better solution.

As I reviewed his past handled projects, all payments are smooth and were paid on time. By that, your "worst" adjective is not applicable to him. He had successful runs in the past. 

Moreover, Murat could choose whoever he wants to pick for his campaign it's I think a positive thing for you because you might have a chance to get to that campaign when the users he added are not active right? And it's his campaign's lost if he added non-active/low merited users.

Don't get butthurt if you weren't accepted in a campaign. Get butthurt if someone in this forum found your main account because that's illegal and that's goodbye.

I've been a participant of one of the campaigns that are handled by Murat (the signature campaign is 24k). He handles it very well and makes sure that all of us will receive the payment he even send me 0.0002BTC to fix the issue about the withdrawal and doesn't force me to return the 0.0002BTC to him (I returned it lol haha). About being responsible, I will highly recommend Murat! He is thinking about the participant, and I can say that he is very reliable.

As I read the issue and check those participants, I think Murat has been careless here. Even though it is solved, it will be a huge impact on his campaign management service. Don't get me wrong. Murat is a responsible manager, but in this story, he is not. Considering that, he didn't examine all of those participants and just based on the length of their post. It's normal to make a mistake, and I think this will be a lesson learned to Murat.

He handled few projects already as far as I know and doesnt have any problem at all. I think his judgement maybe quite fast about selecting but he rectify it as people found some holes out there. Obviously they will as this campaign is btc paid. Anyway, the submission are too many and making a mistake is part of being a Manager and nobody is perfect for every action.

Why post this using a newbie account and not your main account? If you have problem with his selection then come out clean by using your own. It's like your afraid to voice out what you wanna say and get into trouble. Dont be afraid if you can justify the means.

You posted this because you were rejected and found a hole in the campaign manager's selection process. You were also quick to call the participants that were listed in the OP as shitposters and clowns.

If the one accusing a campaign manager is a known person here in the forum, I don't think s/he would be in a rush to post something based on opinions like you did.


You could have waited for him to respond in the post you quoted before creating this topic.

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Selecting applicants from tens or hundreds of applicants can be overwhelming for the manager and he may commit mistakes in the process. I was able to participate in one of his campaigns. Although there were issues with the payment for reasons I think is out of his control, he still managed to pay all the participants. From that experience, I can say he's a good campaign manager.

That's the first thing that came to my mind, but unless there's solid proof I would personally refrain from making accusations against him.  And when inactive accounts start applying for signature campaigns, you pretty much know they're alts of somebody.  That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be shitposters, because there are good posters here who have multiple accounts, some of which we likely don't even know about.

OP, what's your motivation with this thread?  Did you not get accepted or something?  Because I don't see this as any great injustice, not to the forum and not to the applicants.  Having said that, if it were shown that Murat has a relationship to any of the accepted members' accounts, that would be different.  Until then it's kind of a non-issue.

I haven't looked at any of the applicants' posts, but if what you say is true then he might suck as a campaign manager--but I would still maintain that no injustice has been done to anyone.  This wouldn't be the first time a campaign manager has chosen shitposters for his campaign.

Obviously, I think this is a lack of professionalism in his work  It seems he only considered the length of the posts rather than the quality of it. As we know, quality does not lie in its length but in its content. And looking through the accepted members, clearly he prioritizes the length. He doesn't even look at the time the posts was made or the uptime of the user  As a result, there is a large number of unworthy participants and this topic appears here

As far as its not a spamer, shitpost, alt account then I dont think that is a problem.

Hiring poor quality participants will only discredit the manager and damage his reputation. So I think if the manager wants to maintain or enhance his reputation in campaign management then he must choose the best participant among the best.

As far as I know, Yahoo and Hhampuz and Darkstar_ as well as several others are part of good managers, and it is appropriate for other managers to follow or guide them in terms of good campaign management. In this case I am not saying that Murat is not good, but as a manager he also has a good reputation so far.

Yes, that is part of the rules of the campaign and the rights of managers and we have heard it often.

This is still considered an opinion because so far there has not been concrete evidence that the manager has cheated. And I would also say that Murat cheated if there was sufficient clear evidence from further investigation.

The intended participant has now been removed from the sig campaign.


And this is the participant currently accepted.



spreadsheets

@iwantapony or now @Murat, now open again for new participants, who have good quality.

Sig campaign: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fin-david-chaums-xx-coin-signature-campaign-sr-herolegendary-members-5221791

I thought @Murat was a bit rash in accepting participants in this campaign, so this topic was created by @Damnnn.

In my opinion, @Murat is quite good at managing campaigns so far.

maybe now the manager @Murat, should really choose the right participants, to promote his campaign.
For the sake of fairness, no, there are negative suspicions arising by other participants.

No, Bounty Managers have not the right to choose whoever they want!

There are rules. If a participant doesn't respect the rules he isn't paid for his work and he is removed. So it's a contract.
If the BM doesn't respect his contract he isn't trustable and should be red trusted by the community.

Moreover Murat is scamming DAVID CHAUM by enrolling these multi-accounts under 5 merits and inactive. I think many of them had been banned by Yahoo during the Cryptotalk campaign.
So yes I think this Murat is the worst and the shaddiest BM of BTT. He shouldn't manage any campaign anymore. He's not trustable.

I have sent a aplication in this campaign thread and until now it has not been accepted and is still awaiting a decision. I think the manager has the right to choose who will be hired to promote the campaign that is managed by him and that is the managers prerogative.

However, as an IMO manager who has a good reputation managing the campaign, the manager must select participants and hire them in campaigns that have good qualifications based on contributions, quality of posts so that it will have a positive effect on the forum, campaign and the manager itself.

I realize that before I was a regular poster and many of my posts were considered spam, many of which were deleted by moderators. I am tired of working with the gift of altcoin, which in the end is shitcoin which continues to make me waste my time and effort. But I still have a chance to improve everything and my desire to improve this quality is supported by community members, especially in my local board.

While I applied to several previous campaigns and I was not accepted because maybe the manager had his own judgment and other reasons so I couldnt be discouraged because of that. When that happens I have to try again and not give up and try again at another opportunity and I am sure one day I will get that opportunity.

Therefore, I think the problem that is being experienced by the manager hopefully can be resolved properly and the campaign will continue as expected.

Adding campaigns previously managed by him

Many factors come into play when companies select a manager. Cost is a big factor for some companies. Some managers offer to manager for a weekly rate, some offer to work for a % of what a company spends weekly, and some(although I wouldn't recommend) offer to work free.

Companies also look for a manager via by whom they were referred to. This is where most of my work comes from. You also have managers who message every company out there offering their services(which by my understanding is not allowed). If companies report the pm to the moderators a manager can find themselves banned. I don't know who does or does not do this but I'm positive it is done.

He's not exactly a new manager. His old username is iwantapony, he was granted a name change by theymos.

All it really takes is one badly run campaign for future projects not to hire him. With this thread up, I highly doubt he'll be an active manager. Granted he hired shitposters, it may be an indication of poor judgement due to inexperience rather than him enrolling his alt accounts.

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I looked through a few of these campaigns and it seems Murat doesn't publicly state who is accepted in the campaign which makes me realize now how important it is for transparency. Looks like every manager's current bounty thread has public acceptance of applications but that's a side discussion. He's managed a total of 6 campaigns of relatively low activity in the past ~3 years so he isn't necessarily a well seasoned manager nor inexperienced. The users listed in OP seem like they have a bit below average posting quality for me to give him the benefit of the doubt of being a shitty manager that probably won't get hired again.

Murat had already remove those participants who are in question, but him as a manager has a discretion on what to do with his campaign as he is the only one liable to the advertisers since they are the ones communicating. Maybe it looks bad because some does not have the merit required but is still accepted, but he can always change the rules if he likes, but then, the decision has been made to remove, I think there's nothing to discuss here.

If he is the worst campaign manager or not? that depends how individual sees it, but if I am one the participants, I would not question the decision of the manager, instead I'll respect it regardless on how he chooses people he likes to work with.

Users have already told you it is the managers right to choose whom he wants to add in the campaign.

Obviously the more active a user is, the better he would be for a campaign and a company. Hiring inactive users is generally not a great idea at all. I won't speculate that that means it is his alts or anything. I would just advise all managers to look at user activity and post quality when choosing participants.

If you have proof he is enrolling alts, that would be a different story altogether. Without proof you probably shouldn't post speculation, defamation isn't really fair to the manager.

Why not Yahoo or Hhampuz these are the most reasonable campaign manager on this forum to handle this kind of campaign, it's good that this issue is brought so, in the future, developers will know who qualifies and who is not, for me he is a worst because he is not picking the right candidate well it is his prerogative but this thread is a reference for the kind of character he is.

I'm not jealous of not being accepted, I just posted this because, it's a very unfair situation and a not professional act by a Campaign manager.


This is his latest post, see how unprofessional he is? if no one pointed that out he will not remove those shitposter/inactive user.

You guys saying that it's fair because, it's normal user VS campaign manager. But if someone famous user pointed this is out you will be in favor on them.

It's done so I think I will lock this topic. Opening it and welcoming other member's thoughts

There are song lyrics that read.

"Just let him choose between you and me".

OP, for me it's the right of managers who manage sig campaigns, they have full rights to accept good and bad members.
There is a risk, if you think the member received at sig is a spamer or Alt.

The important thing is, no, fraudulently accepting multi-account participants, not promoting fraudulent sites.

Despite all that, I think it's safe.
You are jealous of times, not accepted there, with the highest paid, joking.

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I think you accuse too quickly, without evidence. It's dangerous if it's not proven.

http://archive.is/wip/OeNmt

I checked the first three on the list and their posts weren't that bad as you claim. I'm not sure how others would see it though. Perhaps you could also tell us your real account for comparison. There is no denying that they were inactive for a month but that's probably not a very long time in the eyes of some managers.

If you are going to question the campaign manager's reputation, you should at least provide more evidence that he is the worst or that he's doing something wrong like accepting his relatives/friends/alts into the campaign. Take a good look at the case of CryptoMania Slots.  

If you're not willing to do the above, you should just move on and wait for another opening. Maybe in another campaign by Murat  

it is his prerogative to choose whatever suits his standards. however, in doing so, it will build what kind of reputation he is as bounty manager. as he mentioned on his thread, you can pm him for any questions. so maybe, you can ask explanation from his side.
indeed, there are better and active posters that applied on that campaign but it is his campaign so he has the privilege to choose.
and if someone wants to investigate those users that got accepted, they are free to do so. anyway, this forum is open for those investigations.
just remember, in time, you will know what kind of bounty manager a user is and they will earn such respect from the community if they are being good about it!

I think it's clearly his alts. some of them apply on a lot of campaign and being accepted there even though their post history is filled with application.

You are right about the manager are free to choose what they feel is qualifying. So his preference is shitposter and inactive participants? This is so wrong for me, I see a lot of good poster there that is obviously more qualifying than those clowns.

What the hell you expect when you get involved with shitcoins except of losing money and time?

Edit: why the hell you'd spam your name so much, that thing has no future and it looks for me he is promoting a shitcoin.

First, I will not evaluate the criteria that a manager will choose someone. Next, there is no injustice here, managers have the right to choose those that they feel good.
In this case, we should discuss why those members are accepted, definitely, there is shady here.
There are a total of 11 pages of applications in the campaign    He can choose anyone better, who is always active. And now he accepts people who have been inactive for a long time. I wonder if there is any relationship between him and the people mentioned above?  Or they are his alt accounts  I think this should be investigated clearly, or at least he needs to explain 

DAVID CHAUM's XX Coin Signature Campaign prioritize shit poster and inactive participants over quality poster and active forum members.

see the spreadsheet yourself: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qniilytsO0r3383giue6XIw51V9S1zzSCKwJBefS_1g/edit#gid=0


I make a newbie account because I am not a fan of this kind of act. but, this is very unfair to all of the forum user.
Your thoughts about this kind of manager?