Topic: My investigation on satoshi (Read 898 times)

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Hello Pmalek, This is the translation about your thread, hope you enjoy it...

Investigasiku Tentang Satoshi Oleh Pmalek

I would also like to point out he whole Commonwealth also mostly use British English.  But sometimes it might also have mixed usage.

Of course, if the great Satoshi was able to give us Bitcoin,
He/She/They were more than capable of being and remaining anonymous.

2 strokes of genius ! Just brilliant.

He did refer them as inputs and outputs on the whitepaper:


After all, I think you've made a really good job on your research. Although, I still have my doubts that he was living in London while he was working on it. I like reading more about satoshi, though. It reminds me how genius this guy was. I wonder how much he had analyzed his movements and where is he today. I don't know how it feels when everyone admires you but they don't know you. Either great or terrible.

Both the east coast and west coast make more sense to me than England. I just can't imagine that someone works throughout the night, rests for a few hours during the day, and continues his work from 13:00/14:00 and until early morning. Seems like a very unhealthy lifestyle.

Why are you ruling out the west coast? is it because if he was located there, he would have started working at 06:00 in the morning on average?

This has been studied extensively.

The UK is not the only country that uses the dialect you describe. Australia is another country that uses a similar English dialect.

I would argue that this gives credence to CSW being satoshi. With that being said, there is also plenty of other evidence that suggests that CSW is not satoshi. Although it is difficult to prove a negative, I would say it is all but certain that CSW is in fact not satoshi, at least in my eyes (the evidence is overwhelming IMO).

As others have mentioned, it is possible this is all misdirection. IIRC, satoshi's posts were consistent with him living in the US, on the east coast, or having a similar sleep schedule as someone who lives there.

It's easy to find the s spellings and bloody as in intensifier in the writing of Americans, especially easy if they intentionally adopting a different style.  I wouldn't read too much into stuff like this.

Quite interesting to read, I never looked so much details in his post before reading all those simple differences so that's a good effort.Not only English people is using British english almost half of the world studying based on the British english language even in this 2020 so his anonymity can never be reached out by understanding those differences.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Cryptographic identities can be linked through connections and if you decided to begin a new identity, fully isolated, then you could absolutely separate analog and digital.

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Thank god for colonialism, spreading language far and wide so that we can further our privacy by changing a few letters here and there.

Why wouldn't he have done so already if this was the case? It was likely his intention from the start to never be known hence all the precautions, and maybe he purposely lost access to his coins out of fairness. I think if he did ever intend to reappear he would have done so already or already dipped into his funds. It must be very tempting for even the most un-materialistic person to spend some of that cash but maybe he doesn't have a choice if he doesn't have access to the funds (or is dead).


He might be an only child and his parents could be dead. Either way it doesn't seem like he cares for the plaudits or fame and fortune so I doubt he would care what his family think or that they don't know of his achievements. Maybe he's already very successful in other fields. It wouldn't be a surprise given the foresight he had to create bitcoin.


It is impressive especially given all the scrutiny that his identity has been given over the years and aside from the hundreds if not thousands of amateur sleuths and investigations people have done, I'm sure there's been various governmental agencies looking into him as well, but at the same time most of us here are also anonymous. It's obviously easy to screw up as sometimes all it takes is one error or overlook (see Ross Ulbricht), but I don't think it would be that difficult if your intention from the start was to remain a ghost and that was something he was obviously very cautious of.

It's good you tried something but to be fair that means nothing, at least it tells us that he wasn't American but on another hand, it also may tells us that maybe he is American but was trying to hide it by writing in that manner. You know, the secret must be a mystery, not guessable.

Btw the most curious thing is who are his siblings? (let's imagine it's a person and not a group). No one knows who is satoshi? Doesn't his mother know that she has so talented son? No one had doubts about how he was sending his time?

It just amazes me, to make a revolution in 21th century and stay anonymous, idk what to say. He deserves appreciation for only this fact alone.

I read that research as well, but I feel that it is also possible he was located on the east or west coast of the USA when he was active in the community. If he was on the east coast, he would have worked throughout the entire day (like most people) and gone to sleep at night. A very similar working schedule if he lived on the west coast as well. His day would start even earlier and end a couple of hours earlier. If he lived in the UK at the time, it seems very weird that he would be active throughout the night every day of the week.

And regarding The Times article. If he was skilled enough to trick everyone into believing that he was British (in case he isn't), he could have as easily asked someone to send him a photo of the first page of The Times or write down the titles to copy one of the headlines in that way.

Maybe you are satoshi. You write with that triple spacing between sentences, similar to something he did. 

I hope he doesn't and don't think he will. He disappeared for a reason. Whistleblowers and opponents of regimes and governments aren't welcome among the elite.

he sure had done so much British words and spellings to cover tracks.
its not just Pmalek who thinks satoshi is British but there was an article about this investigation too. i think fbi profilers will agree to the findings base on his writings.

many will find it not a very important anymore to find satoshi but its very interesting investigation and i learned alot about it too.

It might be an intentional synonym usage of inputs and outputs, I don't know if he ever used inpoints and outpoints as input and output but both the word had been used by Gavin Anderson prior to this post. satoshi posted this on August 10 while Gavin Anderson referred to input and output of transaction in July 18. So, it's pretty sure it didn't change to input and output, I mean there was no transition of the terms. More like, satoshi used to refer as like this.
satoshi first used the term input and output in July 25, 2010 but that doesn't look like he was talking about input and output of a transaction, it was about some program.
Just adding, theymos used the term input and output at October 20, 2010.

TL;DR- This has nothing to prove. I would say satoshi used to say inpoints and outpoints while others used inputs and outputs.

You have made a good effort to reveal who the satoshi really are. But I believe none of that can confirm who Satoshi really is. There have been many previous studies conducted by many parties, but all of them have not produced commensurate results. Satoshi will stay alive in the shadows, there's no need to reveal who he really is and I probably don't want to do much research on satoshi because in the end I had to fail at it.

Satoshi is one person, but bitcoin is not made by one person. They have a small group that supports each other until bitcoin is released to the public. These are just my thoughts on the creation of bitcoin and Satoshi. I don't think language is something that can definitely identify Satoshi's nationality. It's always at a dead end when someone or a group of people is doing research on Satoshi, but research will continue even if it's so hard to unravel.

You did an amazing job. From the way he has talked about does indeed points to the fact of him being a British. I have a feeling that he, or they, the real Satoshi will one day just come out. I think if he's alive today, he would be the center of attention of the whole world, that alone enough is too dangerous to his own personal life and security. Plus, maybe, Satoshi used those British version of words to actually make people think he's British when he's not!? Satoshi is a legend and clever enough

I don't personally, no.  Pretty sure satoshi was an individual.  I get the sense all those posts were made by one personality.  My use of "their" is purely in the place of not knowing their personal pronouns.

I think that the international language of people like satoshi is not an obstacle for him, even Bitcoin he created the world can be confusing, what else is the language, 5 or 10 languages ​​I think is easy for satoshi.

Language if I think, not a sign that satoshi is a certain country people, for sure satoshi is satoshi.
maybe, l could say satoshi is Bitcoin or Bitcoin is satoshi.

I did some research in our local section before I can agree with you that Satoshi is probably British, and other people did analytics for all his posts and time when he made them.
Many of this things are pointing to location in United Kingdom and London time zone, but maybe he was just active at that time and living in United States like many british people are.
Time when he posted famous Times article 'Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks' is also suggesting he was in UK at that time, but mystery still remains.
We are all Satoshi.

You're correct.

British English is commonly used by Commonwealth countries which could possibly narrow it down to those 50+ countries. I was taught British English growing up but I found myself using American English more often instead, possibly due to me having more American influence on my linguistics. I think I observed that he was using British English before and I saw someone mentioning it.

Anyways, if you want to really want to follow the trail, you could possibly scrape all his posts (and the whitepaper) and analyse it using NLP. Perhaps it could narrow it down slightly further with the nuances in the language used in the post but I'll treat it with a grain of salt, maybe the most you could do is to determine his demographics.

My opinion about your investigation...  

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Well analyzed in principle, but let a legend also remain a legend, I think...

I'm saying he would have been smart enough to make out like he was British if he wanted to, so therefore him appearing to be British doesn't mean he is. If I wanted to pass myself off as an American here on an alt account I'm sure I would be able to remember to spell colour as color and use Zs etc. The 'bloody' thing is pretty well known to be a British trait and is often mocked by Americans. I've seen variants of "bloody hell want some tea and crumpets mate" various times online.


I'm sure most spellcheckers would have autocorrected blockchain to block chain back then. It seems he made one mistake at least:


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/03/bitcoin-craig-wright-satoshi-nakamoto-blockchain-technology

Do you think that more than one person posted from the satoshi account?

If he is British, he didn't cover his tracks. Most of the examples were written according to the British way of spelling. 

I am not sure of that. I think he would have noticed that at some point and gone back to edit his post. There is also the case with 'inpoints' and 'outpoints'. I think a spellchecker would have corrected this. Never heard of an inpoint before.   

Well it should be taught correctly. I don't know why someone would teach people the American version since it's only used there, unless the job or industry someone is going into is US-based.


This. Whilst I'm not doubting satoshi wasn't British, I think he would be smart enough to cover his tracks this way and changing your spelling would be the easiest thing to do. If satoshi took extreme precautions from the start to remain anonymous and has probably done so to this day it isn't that remarkable that he would so such a thing. Also, Satoshi saying 'block chain' may have been corrected by spellchecker.

Of course, it could all be misdirection.  A deliberate effort to obscure their identity.  Maybe they changed the settings on their spellchecker so they didn't have to make a conscious effort to remember to change all the spellings manually each time they posted.

Most european countries teach British english to people wanting to learn english (or forced to do so). I've always been taught Brit; but as I have later been "exposed" to tons of audiovisual content on AME; you end up mixing both. Considering satoshi posted 10 years ago, and that watching TV shows on the internet was not really a thing, I don't think it's some "definitive" or linking proof. I'm talking about europe because it's what I know, if anyone from Asia or Africa could bring their input on the matter, I think we'd have similar answers.

I did like reading the last curious facts tho.

I want to start off by saying that if I knew who satoshi was, I would never reveal his identity out of respect for what he gave us. It is his choice to remain anonymous and possibly choosing to continue his work from the shadows. It still remains a mystery who the man was, but looking at publicly available data won’t interfere with his privacy.

After reading The Chain Bulletin report where a conclusion was made that satoshi lived in the UK while working on Bitcoin and is possibly British, I started my own research. I slowly went through all 27 pages of satoshi's post history.

My goal was to check his spelling and find sentences and phrases to determine if those were written by a British person. Whether he lived in London or somewhere else, can't be defined from his posts.


If there were records of him speaking live, it would make this task much more manageable. Since I am not aware of any, I had to focus on some of the differences in the spelling between US and British English.

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Let me show you what I mean.

1.
In US English, you can notice that the letter ‘z’ is often used instead of the letter ‘s’ in words such as modernized, formalized, optimization. The British forms would be modernised, formalised, optimisation.

Here are a few examples from satoshi’s posts, so you can check for yourself whether he used British or US spelling. 

A)
-US English spelling is modernized. Modernised is the British variant.

B)
-Same as the above example. In US English, you would spell this word formalized, but satoshi spelt it formalised. 

C)
-Another example of satoshi using the British spelling form in words like prioritising, instead of prioritizing, which would be used by an American.

D)
- Another example where satoshi spells the word with an ‘s’, instead of the American way with a ‘z’.

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2.
In the UK, words like colour or honour are spelt with ‘ou’. US Americans tend to drop the ‘u’. They will spell these two words as color or honor. When it comes to satoshi, I was able to find both forms in his posts. Unfortunately, I don’t have many examples to show.

A)
- In this example, he uses the British variant.

But Satoshi also used the US form. He simply didn't pay that much attention to it all the time, or he could have also been familiar with the American way of spelling, so he adopted both forms.

Here is an example:

B)
- As we can see in the above example, satoshi used the US form.

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3.
-There is a difference between how the word ‘dependent/dependant’ is spelt in American English and British English. Americans would spell the word with an ‘e’, but we can see that satoshi used the British style and spelt it with an ‘a’.

Merriam-Webster's dictionary explains the difference perfectly:

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Some interesting things I discovered while going through satoshi’s posts:
 
- He often referred to the blockchain as ‘block chain’. There are many examples of that, here are just two:

A)
B)

- He referred to inputs and outputs as inpoints and outpoints. Does anyone know when and why these terms were changed to inputs and outputs?

A)
Another example:

B)

- Although this can’t be used as concrete evidence that satoshi is from the UK, this very much sounds like something a Brit would say, not an American.

A)
‘Bloody’ is an intensifier that is not that common in America. You will rarely hear an American saying: “That is bloody difficult to do”.

Here is what the BBC says about it:

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20151109-english-speakers-or-not-brits-and-americans-swear-in-different-languages

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That’s it. I wish I could have found more examples. If we had for, example, soccer/football, sidewalk/pavement, fries/chips, pants/trousers... we would have more proof. But I still feel like all this is leaning towards satoshi being British.

What do you think?