Topic: My Legendary account has been banned - I accept my punishment, now what ? - page 2. (Read 1660 times)

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Alright,
So it looks like this is a dead-end and that my punishment won't be lifted.
 
Fine, i still consider that this is a bit harsh (based on my explanation and situation), but, i dont do the rules.

Saying that, can i stick around or do i have to leave the board ?

According to the rules, having an Alt isn't forbidden but Ban escaping is forbidden. So, should i leave forever ?

I understand this rule if the banned account is a scammer, spread hate messages, sell weapons, drugs, child materials, malware...

In my case, would it be too much ask to use this account to participate again on the forum ?

I am ok to agree to a couple of conditions if you guys deem them necessary :

I will not take part of bounty/signature campain ever (please someone quote this message).
And i will keep in my signature that i got ban for plagiarism (please quote me again!).

Can please a general moderator, or an admin let me know if i can use this new account ?

Thanks

Have I used it though? And how does that relate to your ban?


Now you're just making shit up. Where did I "point the fact"?


The enforcement of the rules is based on how moderators interpret them, not you. Of course a banned user is probably not gonna like the rule they got banned for. But that same rule has been applied to thousands of users just in the past month, including half a dozen other Legendaries. An appeal can succeed only if you can show that the moderator made a mistake. Here are a couple of examples for recent successful appeals:

• A user was framed. Someone created a web page, copied user's post into it, and reported the user for plagiarism. User got banned, appealed, theymos figured out the scheme, user got unbanned.
• A user quoted improperly and it seemed like they copied the text. User got banned, appealed, theymos concluded that the intent was indeed to quote, user got unbanned.

In this context your plagiarism is not a mistake - you intentionally took someone's text and tried to pass it as your own. Your argument that 50% plagiarism is not plagiarism sounds kinda weak. You could get kicked out of college if you intentionally plagiarized 50% or 10% or even just the intro paragraph of a paper.

So what I'm saying is - work some more on that appeal, don't waste your time trolling me with useless tripe. I don't have a dog in this fight, just waiting to see how it works out for you.

Ok gotcha


As explained, my wife is away this week.
so i logged in to have a look at the latest news on BitcoinTalk.
But after the 5th of november she is back and bye bye the computer.
And also it is the weekend (i'm  20h ahead of you)



So regarding the ownership of guigui371 (funny i have to justify myself to someone that bought a legendary account for $600       )
Ref : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.40261507
I know you have stated that you wont use it. But promisses  are just promisses
Who says that you are not going to use it tomorrow ?


By the way it is funny that you point the fact that  i staked my  my address not long ago, when you staked yours  just 6 weeks before mine




I can't   find the private key of 15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1 . (from the watch sale post)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7567844

But when i stopped using this address i sent everything to my new address  1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY

And today i signed a message with 1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY 



Then i was like, damn he will be suspicious, i mean  he has to be, he made his goal to put me down (just kidding)
So i used google and typed my old addresses (from 2014) into google with Bitcointalk as a keyword.
(yes i am not that tech savy, there is probably a better way to do it).

And i found this post :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8742971
A post where i claim that i have funded    1octE21wzrfBKbHVD9sdts8UvUA3CKYUm  for a fun bet between 6 french people.

Using this address : 1LHNgiw3h7ocvAbFHWsi1iUVw6oEMagghs

Then let's sum up,

15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1 belongs to guigui371, this undeniable refer the Breitling post.

15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1 send all his coins to 1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY in 2014



Then, guigui371 claims to have used 1LHNgiw3h7ocvAbFHWsi1iUVw6oEMagghs
When you look closely you see that 1LHNgiw3h7ocvAbFHWsi1iUVw6oEMagghs
is being sent $65k  (18 BTC at that time) on the august 2017 by 1pEBTytXppWnmSHGTFms46JvtJYVBV19h
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/d62a6613e68c8d184fedd2c023d5ebe721db0bee7473f5cdba7ee37783eb35ed

I signed a message using 1LHNgiw3h7ocvAbFHWsi1iUVw6oEMagghs  today


But where is the missing link ? well follow the money

 1pEBTytXppWnmSHGTFms46JvtJYVBV19h has been funded  ($22k) by 1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/6528339e9bae62ac23abdf3f794d9f9cdd77b785a355d0de95fb556dfc2f026d


Message signed with 1pEBTytXppWnmSHGTFms46JvtJYVBV19h



So let's sum up.
15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1 (guigui371's) sends all its coins to 1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY  I own it
1A4wdSpiToSc3rw1G4K37jCTAby3yMHTSY sends all of its coins (not used since)  to  1pEBTytXppWnmSHGTFms46JvtJYVBV19h ( i own it).
Then 1pEBTytXppWnmSHGTFms46JvtJYVBV19h all of its coins (not used since ) $65k to 1LHNgiw3h7ocvAbFHWsi1iUVw6oEMagghs ( i own it)
And guigui371 claims in 2014 that he used it to fund a bet (only 6 people in the bet).

I guess that should do, no ?



I will,
I don't deny that i have copied and pasted part of a message, one time only in almost 5 years and 1236 messages.
I wasn't aware of the 33 rules of the forum (i discovered them a few days ago thanks to your signature)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
To be honest the thread was created after i joined the forum. But doesnt change the fact that someone curious would check the rules periodically and check that he is obeying the guidelines.
I don't often go to the english board . / meta

Also those are  the unofficial rules, i can't find the official ones.
And it doesnt explicit says that at the 1st (and only) occurence of breaking a rule it is a permanent Ban. (does it ? i really can't find it).

Especially in my case breaking rule 33 one time.
However I do aggree that some rules should be strictly enforced (29, 17, 8 .....)
In my case the modo could have just deleted the message, gave me a big slap on the hand or temporary Ban.

Anyway, nothing more to add, i've ut forward my "plagiarism" and the fact that it is 54% original.
And i have proven that i didn't buy guigui37 (by the way, rule 18 is weird, it allows people to farm accounts !! how is that allowed).

Now it is wait and see.
Cheers

Because you posted in a massive shitposting thread back in June and the thread was checked for plagiarism in October.


For someone who claims to have no spare time you're spending a lot of it on walls of text and irrelevant details. Let us know how your appeal goes - it's an important precedent that may affect other users too.

I am the original owner, i didn't buy this legendary account. (see last part of my post)
I wasn't really aware that plagiarism is punnishable by Ban and i my mind, i just used some of the text, changed it and then added more.
But let's not do any philosophy about if or not it was plagiarism.

I started a new job on the 5th of august. This new job is very demanding and i am now working 55h a week (without transport in and out). I have less time to log and do stuff.
Why did i reconnect on the 24ot of october ? Easy i drove my wife to the airport (she is on holiday) and now i am just home at home chilling and i told myself, hey why not going to my BTC board to see how it goes. I could post the plane tickets, but why breaking the pseudo-anonymity for this ? I don't really see the point.
The real question is why did i get banned on the 9th of October for a post written on the 13th of June.








Indeed i made a mistake. I don't deny it.
I signed the message after reading a post from a french guy (i am french too) got hacked and couldnt prove the account was his.







Well i did this because i saw a post in the french board :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42740409
That message was on the 23rd, i read it a few days later and then told myself, fuck i need to do something about it.
This is what i wrote :


Which basically translate into
Forget about your account, you have no chance of recovering it.
I just stacked my btc address on the meta part.
I don't really use my legendary account but i would be gutted to get hacked and start from scratch.

Well, just a clarification the fact i wrote "my legendary account" doesnt mean that i have other accounts.

I do not have any other accounts. I will gladly put the 4BTC (see below) on an escrow to be given to whoever prove i have multiple accounts.

(see, i made a silly mistake by coping and pasting, surely you guys are more intelligent than me and can find out if i have several accounts, it should be easy, no ?) Good LUCK ! 4 BTC for whoever prove i have and use multiple accounts. (not including the William8062 and guigui371)



Finally i am pretty sure that i still have the private key of this BTC address : 15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1

Why woud this address matter . ?
Well it is the output address of a double sign deal i did when i sold my Breitling back in june 2014.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7567844

But again one could argue that i bought this empty BTC address from the person i bought the legendary account, well, if you follow the BTC it goes all the way to this address :  3CBULKBcRfK3BmctDPDi675mJi5tUmo2hm
I am pretty sure that i control this address on my nanoS. But maybe i also bought those 4BTC from the original account.
A bit expensive to buy a legendary, no ?

I have to rush away, i will dig and see if i can find the privKey of 15rYQrVXTpDAGsyf9QvvJVrc4TuwenKvF1 and sign a message with it.
By doing so, would i reassure you i didn't buy the account ? (not that you opinion  mister Theb matters to me  )

I am just giving you one possibility on the question you asked :
Also keep in mind that his proof of signed message was one of his last post which really does not prove that he was the owner all through out of the existence of the account. He might created this signed message as back up when the original owner will try to recover his/her account.

I don't think we can talk about a purchased account in this particular case, although it's quite common these days.

He has signed a message to prove ownership of guigui371 account (the BTC address is first used one month after that plagiarized post though)

Looks like he was careless and made a silly mistake, a mistake that he shouldn't have done.

Chances are somebody new owns that legendary account who was bought from the original owner. The new owner maybe is not aware that plagiarism is not allowed here in the forum thus resulting in a ban. Also its weird that an inactive account (Last post was August 2) suddenly tries to go online 9 days after they are banned from plagiarism. It seems to me that William8062/guigui371 has other accounts that is why he tried to went active again.

Thanks hilariousandco and suchmoon for your answers.

No need to argue more,
I said all i had to.

I will try to ontact said Theymos and Cyrus and will link them to this Thread / topic.

I'm not going to cry over a forum. I can still browswe everything i want using the old account and it doest really cause me any prejudice anyway.


Have a good day, i'm off to work

Second chances can be given and you can argue that the punishment is harsh, but at the moment the rules are pretty clear that if you're caught plagiarising then it's a permaban. Once we start making exceptions for people it just opens up a huge can of worms and then everyone else who's had a ban will come out of the woodwork and complain it's not fair to them and people who are banned in the future will use this case as an example why they should be given another chance.

PM theymos or cyrus and make your case to them and maybe they will remove it. I'm not against second chances but there needs to be some consistency so it's fair to all. Hopefully signature bans could be issued in cases like this instead and people can keep their accounts, but at the moment I just wish people would stop plagiarising content so these bans aren't even needed in the first place and it's truly a sad state of affairs that they are.

Yes, the screenshot has been "tampered" to remove all irrelevant details. I clearly stated which part of your post was copied and anyone can see it. As to your 47% excuse - irrelevant. You deliberately copied someone's post and made it look like your own. Whatever else you added to it doesn't make it less of a violation, if anything it adds to obfuscation.

Your whole appeal hinges on that assertion and that you only ever did it once. I think it's a very weak one but that's not for me to decide.


I didn't mean you bought it. That was a response to another user to a question "Why would a Legendary...". Sorry if it came across as an accusation.

I don't think your rank and the many posts you wrote over the years should serve as an excuse for what you did. In fact, if you go back a week or two you will find numerous cases of people getting banned for copy-pasting (including other high ranked accounts).

Yes, there is no warning about plagiarism, and people who have committed such a violation are almost always permabanned. What's worse in your case is that you have changed small parts of the first paragraph (adapted in your own words), which means that you have done this copy/paste thing quite deliberately.

I'm pretty sure mods can reinstate your account in no time or give as massive explanation as your conclusion to the discussion was. GL

Hi everybody, thanks for digging some of the old message and thank you to suchmoon for showing up here and explaining (much appreciated, thanks).

This message will be a bit long, but since i am limited to 1 message every 6 minutes, i better write it well.

Alright, so know we know why i have been banned. Copy and paste / plagiarism.

I would like to put for the record that i was reported for plagiarism on October the 15th for a single message written on June 13th.

And here is the post that shows it  (by suchmoon) :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47224299


I am not going to deny it, i cut a corner here.
I remember this post very well as a matter of fact. This Aridrop ( a french one, like me) is something i really dig into.
I have been using paymium for 4 years and really wanted to be part of this airdrop.
Unfortunately mid June was a very stressfull period of the year as i was to depart in the next few hours to a 30 days honeymoon and not everything was sorted. (i can prove and send flight ticket in PM to modo / and admin).

Also, english not being my 1st lenguage i tried to find a message i could both relate to and improve with my own experience. 


Funny, on the screenshot, not all of the changes i made are highlighted. We can clearly see that it has been tampered almost to try to convince others that my message was just a pure copy and paste.

Original :

Now is my message, i am going to bold the changes, and bold and use underscore  the genuine part i have written.




So indeed, i have copied and pasted the 1st part of the message,
I have checked online for tool to compare the texts ( i was going to do it by hand, but it is just magic what you can do on the internet now).

My text is only 47% copied  (one site says 48 and the other one 46) from the original. I don't deny that i took the message of the OP and adapted it to my special case (using paymium for 4 years, knowing crypto for years and not months, and being a user and doing purchases on the platform).


Link :
 https://copyleaks.com/compare-embed/compare-two-files/8e99b8d6-e7fc-4c75-9551-feda6e19f0b9/5881960/1/1?key=id6eclbcuCxUSRmGRA7l

See the screenshots  of other website comparing both text  :

https://thumb.ibb.co/kcLJYA/textcheck1.jpg

https://thumb.ibb.co/gBst0q/textcheck2.jpg

https://thumb.ibb.co/cpfP6V/textcheck3.jpg



So i wrote 53% of my post on true and personal related info.

I must have done a ok/good job for that russian puppet to copy and paste me on medium  :
https://medium.com/@vovancher555/a-very-interesting-project-that-i-follow-for-some-time-now-b2d0eddfcb81


So let's sum up, i am a legendary, i have 1236 posts, one post get flagged with a first part copied , modified and pasted and then 54% of genuine written text and that is it ! Banned for life.  No slap on the wrist ? no warning . ?



Xal0lex below quoted another message of mine that is a copy and paste of the internet. But, look below.



The link of the original message is here :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20085279

It basically say,
"i am asking paymium to wire me 50 000Euros from the disposal of BTC
My case doesnt relate to any of the 16 bullet point"
==> bullet point coming from the link that is quoted in my message !!! https://www.economie.gouv.fr/tracfin/que-faut-il-declarer


So clairly not plagiarism, i am just saying that i am not in any of those cases and i even include the source !

And then i post 2 extra messages on the same thread to explain taxes  BTC related. The perfect example of someone helpfull.




To answer a few question asked by members on this thread :



No, this wasn't an alt of me.
I do not have any alternative account.
Just one that i use from time to time (if you look at my hstory, you will see time where i post and then long period without activities).



and this one


I didnt buy this account, i have been the only user for 4 years and 9 months of guigui371 and this is the only account i ever had.
 It is a bit offensive to write what you wrote but it is fine.
I could prove it if i had to, just need to find a BTC address i have written on one of my posts (unedited post) and sign a message with it.




So let's sum up.
I did copy a message, i changed some of the words to relate to me, i added some genuine content and 53% of the resulting message is original.
(damn !!! i know heaps of Whitepaper that have way less original content compared to the BTC WP).

I am ready to appologize, i am ready to donate all the BCIO coins (converted to BTC) that i will get from that airdrop to a charity (why not the Binance charity thingy they just started).

I have been on this forum for almost 5 years, wirtting 1236 messages (not all of them are great i agree).
I have done one Tutorial about how to use VanityGen on the french board.  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7487945
I have helped someone to repay there debt https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9042288


I mean, if i don't get my account, it is fine. I will be a bit gutted, this is life, i will move on.
But i feel it could do with a second chance, don't you guys believe in second chance in live ?

Look at my trust setting / feedback : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=207818

Looking forward to see the outcome.
Cheers

And here we go, an account farmer shows up with his manure spreader. Everything is ok if it's done using alts - copypasta, thread bumping, escrow, attacking someone you disagree with... right?

And no, the original post was not deleted by the author: https://bpip.org/profilearchive.aspx?p=Hirochifaa

That is an exact copy of the website but he shouldn’t be banned for that post. The website was cited in the post above and it should be clear within the context of the post that he was not attempting to take credit for the copied content— he was citing reasons why AML(?) reports would have to be made and said that none applied to him.

Edit:
I would want to know why the original post was deleted. If it was deleted by the person behind the account, maybe that is an alt of the OP and he just reposted what he originally wrote.

I'm an idiot and definitely need to see (pun intended) an eye doctor. It is AM and PM...my god.

/thread

What I'm trying to say is that the posts are 12 hours apart. Within 7 (or 10 or whatever the grace period is) minutes you wouldn't get the dotted line and my parser wouldn't get a LastEdited date but after 12 hours it certainly would have a dotted line and an edit date.

Get your lazy ass up and do something for it , beg for it is not the best way and how it works here in the forum !