My proposal to reduce signature campaign spamming - page 2.

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Quote from: Heutenamos on February 15, 2016, 10:09:21 AM

Quote from: ColderThanIce on February 15, 2016, 09:52:45 AM

very little or no policing of posts going on

Why should they ? It's not their job.

That's fair, but it gives their site a poor reputation. After seeing users spamming posts while wearing signatures of websites, I'm definitely not interested in visiting or using the site being advertised. I suspect there are other people who would feel the same way about this.

Quote from: Heutenamos on February 15, 2016, 10:09:21 AM

Quote from: ColderThanIce on February 15, 2016, 09:52:45 AM

that would benefit all of us.

How ?

Do you appreciate reading through threads when a good portion of the posts are spam or make no sense? I don't, and often that's what signature campaign spammers seem to do. If you cut down on the spamming signature campaign participants, I think you'd be cutting down on these sort of spam posts too. Obviously not all of them, but a good chunk of them.

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The problem is deciding whether to reward for posting, or post for rewards. Thequality of posting can be different for each. You also have to consider the economics of running the forum, If its income isderived from ppi, then spammers help the board, but not if they drive away quality members. The answer could be heavy modding for the tech and information boards, and a more relaxed attitude to some of the other boards.

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Quote from: ColderThanIce on February 15, 2016, 09:52:45 AM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 08:06:54 AM

Quote from: Heutenamos on February 15, 2016, 08:02:49 AM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 07:56:51 AM

just bickering among ourselves for sure won't solve the problem

Then how do we show we are better than them Tongue

I don't want to be a human , I am GOD Angry

Well I tried it with reporting users, from the way it was received I'd say I did something of significance.

I think that definitely helped to clean up a bunch of those Off-Topic, 2 word spammers, but it seems that new spammers continually pop up even as the old ones are banned. Seems that the most problematic campaigns are the massive ones (like Yo-Bit) where there is very little or no policing of posts going on - I think that's the real root of the problem. If they did some manual work looking at the post history of some of their participants, and removing the spamming participants on their own that would benefit all of us.

Well they did hire hilarious for signature campaign managing, so... any new spammers are on him I guess

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Quote from: ColderThanIce on February 15, 2016, 09:52:45 AM

but it seems that new spammers continually pop up even as the old ones are banned.

Maybe alt's of the old banned users ?

Quote from: ColderThanIce on February 15, 2016, 09:52:45 AM

very little or no policing of posts going on

Why should they ? It's not their job.

Quote from: ColderThanIce on February 15, 2016, 09:52:45 AM

that would benefit all of us.

How ?

ColderThanIce

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Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 08:06:54 AM

Quote from: Heutenamos on February 15, 2016, 08:02:49 AM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 07:56:51 AM

just bickering among ourselves for sure won't solve the problem

Then how do we show we are better than them Tongue

I don't want to be a human , I am GOD Angry

Well I tried it with reporting users, from the way it was received I'd say I did something of significance.

I think that definitely helped to clean up a bunch of those Off-Topic, 2 word spammers, but it seems that new spammers continually pop up even as the old ones are banned. Seems that the most problematic campaigns are the massive ones (like Yo-Bit) where there is very little or no policing of posts going on - I think that's the real root of the problem. If they did some manual work looking at the post history of some of their participants, and removing the spamming participants on their own that would benefit all of us.

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Quote from: Heutenamos on February 15, 2016, 08:02:49 AM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 07:56:51 AM

just bickering among ourselves for sure won't solve the problem

Then how do we show we are better than them Tongue

I don't want to be a human , I am GOD Angry

Well I tried it with reporting users, from the way it was received I'd say I did something of significance.

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Quote from: arbitrage on February 15, 2016, 06:18:52 AM

Number of posts must not be over 5 paid posts per day.

So what, i can still spam those 5 posts if i have to ? and 5 spam posts from 50k people is like 250000 spam posts a day.Do you think this is going to work ?

Many of the reputed people around were banned in their past and some even multiple times.People get banned and they learn to post.It's just a forum with people.Pupil are not even losing their shoes dirt.This is just overrated.

The Community ? The Revolution ? The Change ? The Apocalypse ? -- just stop dreaming and start thinking

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 07:56:51 AM

just bickering among ourselves for sure won't solve the problem

Then how do we show we are better than them Tongue

I don't want to be a human , I am GOD Angry

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Quote from: Lauda on February 15, 2016, 06:57:59 AM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 06:54:30 AM

I've learned to accept that things won't change here, which is why I do the least I can do, report the worst of the spammers.

There won't be many changes if the community does not do anything.

*Cough* The sig spammers are "the community"

Quote from: Lauda on February 15, 2016, 06:57:59 AM

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 06:54:30 AM

That would make a good speech phrase, but seriously no ones gives a damn right now, the ones who do either themselves wear the signature or have left a the community long ago.

You're saying that we should give up?

Considering the authority doesn't want to do anything about it, just bickering among ourselves for sure won't solve the problem

arbitrage

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I don't see the end if you hunt people and punishing them for posting low quality.
Try to stimulate people through system of rewards, and disqualifications from game.
You have here clear example: of math:

(number of posts/day)*number of days = low quality from majority.
( pay/week)+bonus for quality =quality improving
pay per month based on quality = clear quality

They already have limits per week or month..

Give me 0.01 or more Grin

per week and i will give you quality, if not good buy..
So i must prove to management of S.C. that my post are worth something.

arbitrage

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Managers of those campaigns must find better solutions for validation of members and their posts.
Shorena shouldn't be paid as others, posts history can determine price for example.
So more you give more you get..

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Quote from: arbitrage on February 15, 2016, 06:53:08 AM

Many posters are here only because of paid posts not like Shorena.
I think many can post quality posts but this is only opportunity for those with bad intent..

So the solution is to punish people like Shorena because of the people with bad intentions? That's not really the right way forward. Either we remove them completely or work out a really good set of restrictions.

Quote from: arbitrage on February 15, 2016, 06:53:08 AM

If you limit paid posts you will get more quality. At least you will have 4x less posts.
I don't mind if you ban someone for a year, but ban him from signature if we talk about signature spam!

I didn't say ban them for a year, I said remove their signature for a year.

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 06:54:30 AM

I've learned to accept that things won't change here, which is why I do the least I can do, report the worst of the spammers.

There won't be many changes if the community does not do anything.

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 06:54:30 AM

That would make a good speech phrase, but seriously no ones gives a damn right now, the ones who do either themselves wear the signature or have left a the community long ago.

You're saying that we should give up?

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 06:54:30 AM

Aand another point for mesmer speech. Mesmer -1 Cat -1(Strength)

Understand this, I do not.

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Quote from: Lauda on February 15, 2016, 06:35:28 AM

You're weak; my cat does not like weak people. I'd start with a 1 year signature removal with the first ban.

I've learned to accept that things won't change here, which is why I do the least I can do, report the worst of the spammers.

That would make a good speech phrase, but seriously no ones gives a damn right now, the ones who do either themselves wear the signature or have left a the community long ago.

Aand another point for mesmer speech. Mesmer -1 Cat -1(Strength)

arbitrage

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Many posters are here only because of paid posts not like Shorena.
I think many can post quality posts but this is only opportunity for those with bad intent..
If you limit paid posts you will get more quality. At least you will have 4x less posts.
I don't mind if you ban someone for a year, but ban him from signature if we talk about signature spam!

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Quote from: arbitrage on February 15, 2016, 06:18:52 AM

Much spam comes from 20 posts per day.. or more.. Just quit this practice paying per day and per post.
Best is paying per week or per month.
Number of posts must not be over 5 paid posts per day.

All is on managers and Admins..

What are you basing these numbers on? Are you trying to tell me that nobody is able to make more than 5 highly contructive posts per day? If so, then this is a case of faulty generalization. Take for example Shorena. Should we punish them and reduce their payout just because 99% of other people are spamming in signature campaigns? If we're going to put up limits then the limits have to be right.

Quote from: mexxer-2 on February 15, 2016, 06:04:46 AM

Well, I'm quite tolerable in terms of sig spam.

You're weak; my cat does not like weak people. I'd start with a 1 year signature removal with the first ban.

arbitrage

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Much spam comes from 20 posts per day.. or more.. Just quit this practice paying per day and per post.
Best is paying per week or per month.
Number of posts must not be over 5 paid posts per day.

All is on managers and Admins..

mexxer-2

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Well, I'm quite tolerable in terms of sig spam. Although I'd expect half the people to be banned if the limit for a ban, I believe , would've been implemented. Also pretty sure Shorena wouldn't spend his time witch-hunting for spammers.

Some things I guess, have to be tolerated(upto a certain extent)

arbitrage

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It is very simply and one topic will blow all those spammings.
One good manager as Shorena or you Mexxer can accomplish this task..
This is best punishment, signature is illness they must cure illness.
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Under full member not allowed in campaigns.

edit:
Member caught date 02.15.. sentence first time 30 days by banning from signatures.
And if you caught him using signature during sentence BAN!
After sentence is ended he is free but he will be more careful in future..
Or he will sell his account, but everyone will have chance to see this topic before buying.
Believe me 50% of spam caused by signatures will vanish buy first 30 days of trial period.

How this work?
Easy don't ban people make an example..And when people realise how many fuders and spammers are caught they will stop this madness. System used till now is good but there is no lessons learned and examples for others members of forum..

second edit:
This is cheaper solution that don't involve many staff for hunt.
I believe this is probably most fer system where you can employ one or two members of forum for caring all this and other staffs only need to watch and arbitrage situations if needed to prevent abuse..
Everyone can report spam and everyone can defend himself and improve.

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Quote from: arbitrage on February 14, 2016, 12:00:49 PM

If you ban someone he will create new account simply.

If you sentence someone he can't do nothing until..everyone like to get second chance this is psychology.
This is like vaccination you'll immunize system from within.

Imagine if you got banned from signature you wont be able to post 30 day and be paid,
also every other (yours) alt accounts related will be more careful be sure in this!

Also he wont be able to sell it because he is on list of shame..so there will be less scams.

Admins can and would, find and ban the alts if they put effort into it. What makes you think, admins will put effort into what you propose?

arbitrage

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If you ban someone he will create new account simply.

If you sentence someone he can't do nothing until..everyone like to get second chance this is psychology.
This is like vaccination you'll immunize system from within.

Imagine if you got banned from signature you wont be able to post 30 day and be paid,
also every other (yours) alt accounts related will be more careful be sure in this!

Also he wont be able to sell it because he is on list of shame..so there will be less scams.

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Quote from: arbitrage on February 14, 2016, 11:41:00 AM

Proposition:
To be banned from signatures (no matter what sig) for some time, open topic of shame and add users who are deliberately spamming.
Punish them:
( like sentenced 30,60,90 days) and if he continue using sig. during sentence - ban

First time caught 30 days forbidding using signatures.
Second time 60 days and simple warning about possible ban.
Third time 90 days and warning before banning

After this no much talks, multiple crimes permban

What do you think?
This will be cure for many and end of road for some..

The current bans (ban from posting, not just removal of signature) are harsher than what you are proposing, but have still not stopped spamming.
What makes you think your measures will be effective?

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