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November 30, 2017, 07:32:17 AM
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What's coming down from his panels aren't 12V, they're likely strings somewhere in the 150-300V range.  Even individually, larger panels like this individually are above 25V themselves.  Not to mention the solar power isn't constant enough; you'd be varying input voltage constantly.  You need the inverter to smooth it out and make it a clean and stable power.
Hack some cheap server PSUs to perform MPPT, then parallel the output with unmodified server PSUs to get a constant voltage. Hack the load share to give preference to the solar PSUs, with the normal PSUs supplying the remainder. It will take a lot of electronics knowledge to do it.

Unless you live in the desert, even with MPPT, the voltage won't be stable enough.  The moment a cloud hits a panel, you're going to see voltage swings without a buffer.  If the 5-8% loss is of that great concern, having a battery as a voltage buffer is the safest way of doing it.  Not to mention the PSU and GPU don't keep a stable draw, it varies constantly.  The MPPT needs something to power track against.  If both the power source and load are constantly varying, that's not the best.  

I think the OP is on the best route.  Operating large solar systems at 12V is NOT cost effective.  The cable sizing required to bring the amount of amps from any length of distance at 12V is outright impossible and certainly not cost conscious.  Keep in mind there are MANY factors in the overall efficiency of a solar system, cabling and inverter are certainly big ones.  Having the solar system bring in the high voltage (the whole point of strings) and invert it (that inverter is likely 98% efficient) to clean 120VAC is worth the few % lost.

I was a solar designer and installer for almost a decade and the question of can I do this right off the panel came up very often.  I have a very similar mining/solar set up myself.
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CryptoLearner
November 30, 2017, 04:03:06 AM
#19
Look nice mate, nice solution, but how much time do you expect to ROI, must have cost quite a bit  Grin

PS : please clean up this CPU fan on your rig  Cry  Grin
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November 30, 2017, 01:47:34 AM
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What's coming down from his panels aren't 12V, they're likely strings somewhere in the 150-300V range.  Even individually, larger panels like this individually are above 25V themselves.  Not to mention the solar power isn't constant enough; you'd be varying input voltage constantly.  You need the inverter to smooth it out and make it a clean and stable power.
Hack some cheap server PSUs to perform MPPT, then parallel the output with unmodified server PSUs to get a constant voltage. Hack the load share to give preference to the solar PSUs, with the normal PSUs supplying the remainder. It will take a lot of electronics knowledge to do it.
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Steady State Finance
November 30, 2017, 01:40:56 AM
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Amazing U'r mining farm, Congrat. I'm speechless  Lips sealed, Thank's for sharing

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November 30, 2017, 12:45:52 AM
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Have you thought about finding a way to feed the DC from the solar panels directly into the 12V consumers and bypass the two transformation stages?

That could potentially give you another 10 - 15% more net power by reducing losses. I know they do things like that in large datacenters sometimes. Unfortunately, 12V PSUs are still not mass produced and therefore expensive. However, compared to high end consumer PSUs and solar panels, it may be very profitable. You could perhaps implement it by using some properly dimensioned battery bank like an UPS and then add some custom wiring to the GPUs.


What's coming down from his panels aren't 12V, they're likely strings somewhere in the 150-300V range.  Even individually, larger panels like this individually are above 25V themselves.  Not to mention the solar power isn't constant enough; you'd be varying input voltage constantly.  You need the inverter to smooth it out and make it a clean and stable power.
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November 30, 2017, 12:24:57 AM
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Wow, really cool project. It seems that with the sky-high electric, solar is a good option for you. Thanks for sharing.
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November 29, 2017, 09:53:56 PM
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Have you thought about finding a way to feed the DC from the solar panels directly into the 12V consumers and bypass the two transformation stages?

That could potentially give you another 10 - 15% more net power by reducing losses. I know they do things like that in large datacenters sometimes. Unfortunately, 12V PSUs are still not mass produced and therefore expensive. However, compared to high end consumer PSUs and solar panels, it may be very profitable. You could perhaps implement it by using some properly dimensioned battery bank like an UPS and then add some custom wiring to the GPUs.

I have done that, but on a much smaller scale with one 100W solar panel. The miners (cheap smartphones and small ASIC board) run from a TI DC/DC module. At 89% efficient, it's a bit dated, but works well enough for now. (I plan to replace it with a homemade 96% converter based on a LT chip just for the fun of it.) There's a LiFePO4 battery pack to provide power at night (although the main purpose is as a UPS/Ohmconnect battery for my IT setup) and since the solar panel easily generates more than what the miners use, I have the DC/DC converter (custom design) in my PC to use whatever is left over.

BTW, I would suggest not having a DC bus voltage that can be both higher and lower than the load voltage, since buck boost converters are less efficient than plain buck converters. The reason that was used in my PC was because back then, lead acid was the only economical option for a UPS battery. (And going 24V would require two batteries which doubles the cost.) When that needed replacement, I replaced it with LiFePO4 which is very close to a drop in replacement. If I were to redesign it from scratch, I would use LiMn batteries which is 14.4V nominal for a 4S configuration, so the DC/DC for the PC would only need to be a buck converter.

What would be interesting for larger setups would be to get a hybrid car inverter and hack it to act as a grid tie inverter/rectifier. With continuous power ratings well into the 10s of kW, it would be plenty for a very sizable mining setup. It would also require a very expert level of electronics knowledge.
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November 29, 2017, 09:49:41 PM
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Nice Man ! I was thinking of adding solar power to my system soon as compared to adding more rigs
What do u say is more econmoical adding more rigs and increase revenue or add solar power and decrease power costs
I was thinking that I should add more rigs till I hit the 5kW mark before adding the solar panels for now only using 1800 watt on 2 rigs will expand soon
Anyways good luck ahead and keep us posted of all the troubles etc Smiley
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November 29, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
#12
I'm thinking I want to try a vega rig but I need to go and do some more research I think!

Cheers for your info!

Even if I could buy a Vega for as cheap as a 1070ti, I would be reluctant to build another Vega system. I'm sure with new drivers and optimised Linux settings, they would be great. But on windows they are a major headache.
Nvidia on Linux I could get running set and forget in about 15 minutes from the boxes arriving.
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November 29, 2017, 09:22:10 PM
#11
WOW, very cool dude!!
Hope it will turn out to be a good choice for you Smiley

Go Green Energy!!  Cheesy
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November 29, 2017, 08:59:42 PM
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Gah -I want to do this here in NZ - our power costs are about the same. Also I'm sick of being at the mercy of our unreliable power suppliers. I looked into solar for a new house build but at the time my main concern was cost savings (no mining impact then). And at the time - there was no cost benefit.

I need to readdress and factor in clean energy, mining and cost on my next evaluation.

So jelly of your rigs too - I'm thinking I want to try a vega rig but I need to go and do some more research I think!

Cheers for your info!
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November 29, 2017, 08:44:21 PM
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This is a great idea to save energy for mining. Currently, in my country, there are no investors using solar energy for mining. I am very supportive of your idea and will certainly study more about it.
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November 29, 2017, 07:56:17 PM
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Have you thought about finding a way to feed the DC from the solar panels directly into the 12V consumers and bypass the two transformation stages?

That could potentially give you another 10 - 15% more net power by reducing losses. I know they do things like that in large datacenters sometimes. Unfortunately, 12V PSUs are still not mass produced and therefore expensive. However, compared to high end consumer PSUs and solar panels, it may be very profitable. You could perhaps implement it by using some properly dimensioned battery bank like an UPS and then add some custom wiring to the GPUs.

Interesting idea!  One would need some sort of DC to DC converter to get to a constant 12V output.  And also some way to switch back to AC power at night when the sun doesn't shine.  Here's what the DC output of a typical solar panel looks like during the day:



Solar inverters are quite efficient at 97% typically, and good Platinum PSUs are around 94% efficient.  So there would be a little gain to be had for sure.
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November 29, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
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Very cool.  I also have a residential solar system to assist with power cost for mining.  I pay a flat rate of $0.12 per kWh year round.  Currently have 84 260W panels and am in the process of adding an additional 48 280W panels.  The 84 panels produced the following numbers for me this summer:

March 2,391 kWh
April 2,121 kWh
May 2,268 kWh
June 2,578 kWh
July 2,846 kWh
August 2,475 kWh
September 2,172 kWh
October 2,152 kWh

My usage last month was 6,644 kWh, so the 48 additional panels will help, but I'll need another 100 panels at least to "break even".  And since I also constantly add miners, I don't think I'll ever "catch up".

I do all the work myself, so the cost is pretty close to $1 per watt and I get 30% Federal tax credit, so that makes it closer to $0.70 per watt.
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November 29, 2017, 07:46:41 PM
#6
Have you thought about finding a way to feed the DC from the solar panels directly into the 12V consumers and bypass the two transformation stages?

That could potentially give you another 10 - 15% more net power by reducing losses. I know they do things like that in large datacenters sometimes. Unfortunately, 12V PSUs are still not mass produced and therefore expensive. However, compared to high end consumer PSUs and solar panels, it may be very profitable. You could perhaps implement it by using some properly dimensioned battery bank like an UPS and then add some custom wiring to the GPUs.
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November 29, 2017, 07:31:23 PM
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Congrats mate! I am surprised that electricity is ho high in Australia. Hopefully mining will help you pay off those panels

A good friend of mine who lives in Arizona (not mining) makes so much power with solar that he is pushing it back to the grid and gets a check every month.
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November 29, 2017, 07:23:11 PM
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First of all congrats for your project and thanks for sharing, From the data you are sharing I can assume you don't have any power storage solution or at least of scale am I right ? Also I have a second question regarding Australia do you guys have a day and night electricity rates, typically here in Europe we get a day tarif which is more expensive since there a full load on the grid than the night price and this can be beneficial for such a project.

Another thing I find weird there in Australia is that the feed in tariff is less than the price of electricity, where as most countries in western Europe do the opposite putting an incentive for people to go green

We have night-time tariff but it is on a separate meter called controlled load (off-peak). It also needs approval to connect to things like hot water and pool pump. It must be hard-wired and connecting anything else to this is illegal.

A residential customer can at any time change from a 'flat-rate' plan to a 'time of use plan', which has lower night-time rates, but you are killed during the double hump morning/afternoon peaks - up to 40c per KWh at those times. They are just outside my generation window. But I'll admit that I haven't looked too deep into this and will do so after your reminder.

Australia commenced solar incentives in 2009 and initially the feed-in tariff was 60c. This was heavily exploited and nerfed to 6c within 2 years. So today at 13c we are quite happy.
The other type of incentive is a rebate of about -30% install costs.
Typical usage-based solar systems in Australia have a payback period of 4-5 years.

No, I do not have a battery. When they are cheaper, I will definitely get one.
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November 29, 2017, 07:14:51 PM
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Wow, impressive! I'm jealous Grin
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November 29, 2017, 07:00:55 PM
#2
First of all congrats for your project and thanks for sharing, From the data you are sharing I can assume you don't have any power storage solution or at least of scale am I right ? Also I have a second question regarding Australia do you guys have a day and night electricity rates, typically here in Europe we get a day tarif which is more expensive since there a full load on the grid than the night price and this can be beneficial for such a project.

Another thing I find weird there in Australia is that the feed in tariff is less than the price of electricity, where as most countries in western Europe do the opposite putting an incentive for people to go green
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November 29, 2017, 06:41:38 PM
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Hi all. I live in Australia and pay $0.24.2AUD per KWh (US 18c) of electricity. I have always wanted to install solar, even prior to mining crypto. So when the feed-in tariff was recently increased to 13c (US 10c), I pulled the trigger and had a large system installed.

Here is an aerial shot of my 72 * 300W panels -


The 20KW inverter -


All-time generation data showing daily average production of 93.4 KWh -



A typical sunny day parabola showing >5KW of production from 7am - 5pm (10 hours) -


Due to the parabolic nature of generation, I calculated the 'green % time' in 200W increments of constant draw (mining), all the way up to 3000W, on average throughout the year. As you can see, the first 200W is a massive 49% green while the 2800W-3000W are 38% green -
Code:
--- 	  200W	400W	600W	800W	1000W	1200W	1400W	1600W	1800W	2000W	2200W	2400W	2600W	2800W	3000W
January  56% 54% 53% 53% 52% 52% 51% 50% 49% 48% 47% 47% 46% 45% 45%
February  54% 53% 53% 52% 50% 49% 47% 47% 46% 45% 45% 45% 45% 44% 43%
March  49% 47% 45% 45% 44% 43% 43% 42% 41% 40% 39% 39% 38% 37% 37%
April  46% 45% 44% 43% 42% 40% 40% 39% 38% 38% 37% 37% 36% 36% 36%
May  42% 39% 38% 37% 37% 37% 37% 36% 36% 35% 34% 33% 32% 31% 31%
June  38% 38% 37% 37% 36% 35% 34% 33% 32% 31% 30% 30% 29% 29% 28%
July  39% 38% 38% 37% 37% 37% 37% 36% 36% 36% 34% 33% 32% 32% 32%
August  46% 44% 42% 40% 39% 38% 38% 38% 37% 37% 37% 36% 36% 35% 34%
September 49% 46% 45% 45% 45% 45% 44% 44% 43% 42% 41% 40% 40% 40% 39%
October  52% 51% 49% 49% 48% 48% 48% 48% 47% 46% 45% 44% 43% 43% 42%
November  58% 56% 54% 52% 50% 50% 50% 49% 48% 48% 47% 47% 46% 44% 44%
December  60% 55% 53% 53% 53% 52% 51% 51% 50% 48% 47% 46% 46% 46% 45%
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Total  49% 47% 46% 45% 44% 44% 43% 43% 42% 41% 40% 40% 39% 39% 38%

Finally, and what was originally the point of this exercise, I will calculate the amount (in terms of W drawn at the wall) of mining equipment I can have running 24/7 while maintaining a zero sum electricity bill.
---THESE NUMBERS ARE ALL IN AUD---

My historical usage is roughly 5,300 kWh per year, of which, 2,000 kWh is expected to be during generation hours. Lets say 800 kWh of generation hours is baseload (200W), which does effect the constant draw and 1200 kWh is on-demand during peak generation (dishwasher / washing etc) which doesn't effect constant draw due to excessively high peak generation.

Combined total generation: 31,844 kWh
Non-Mining self-consumption: 2,000kWh ($0)
Ordinary Export: 29,844 kWh @ 12.87c ($3,841)
Non-Mining Grid consumption: 3,300 kWh ($799)
Service Charge: 365days @ 90.2c ($329)

Typically, I would see a yearly credit of $2,713 on my bill. So lets attempt to use that by way of mining;

Our household baseload is at 200W, so a mining baseload starts there. We have $2713 to 'spend'. We have to factor in that for every 200W of mining equipment, we must also reduce our FIT;

Code:
Draw    Cost    Norm_Cost
200W $327 $424
400W $331 $424
600W $333 $424
800W $334 $424
1000W $336 $424
1200W $337 $424
1400W $338 $424
1600W $339 $424
1800W $341 $424
2000W $342 $424
2200W $344 $424
2400W $345 $424
2600W $346 $424
2800W $348 $424
3000W $349 $424
So we begin to reduce our $2,713 by each increment (starting with $331) and we get to;
1800W constant draw with $24 left over.
So we can have mining equipment with a constant draw of 1600W at the wall and maintain a $0 bill.

Over the last 3 months I have acquired gear and built rigs around the 1.6KW figure.
Here is the frame I use which is made out of $10 worth of aluminium angle and two pieces of 4*2. You just need some tin snips and screws -


You can use angle off cuts for PSU/HDD guide channels. Just put felt buttons under the motherboard -


I have a 5 * 1080ti mining rig -


And a 4 * Vega56 mining rig -


Which together draw 1730W (who's counting Smiley )-


Time will tell just how my rigs balance out. Regardless, I am keen to expand anyway - the summer months will be better for mining due to extended daylight. Janurary is 45% green right up at 3000W. And in winter I can move rigs into bedrooms for some heating capacity.
I am keen to get another rig going for the 3 months of summer. Here is my garage set up so far showing two rigs, the inverter and my IT cabinet. Yes I will add some decent cable management or even run new outlets Smiley As you can see, I have room for another shelf and perhaps 2 more rigs -


Current ventillation Wink . I will be adding exhaust fans above rigs soon -


Version 1 next to Version 2 (I'm improving). Oh boy how sexy are Vegas? Smiley -


Here is a screen management of the miners. The 1080ti rig is mining equihash on nvOC. The Vega rig is managed through Chrome Desktop, running windows 10 and GPU0 hashes slightly slower due to no HDMI dummy. It still it manages 7000 H/s Cryptonight. The other window is the gaming PC that I manage them from, which also has 3 nvidia cards mining equihash.



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UPDATE 19/01/18

OK, I finally got around to installing;
- Another shelf
- 4 * exhaust fans (combined; 152W, 1,440m² (15,500 ft²) / min)
- 2 * 20A breakers
- 8 * outlets
- extra rig





The two 20A breakers, with 20A wiring, are wired directly to 2 * double outlets and allow for a maximum of 8A on a socket, up to 16A total (per breaker)

So that's 3,840W * 2 = 7,680W total.
My 4 smart plugs are rated to 2,400W so no troubles there in putting 1920W on each.

Thanks to my smart meter, I know exactly what I use currently. Right now I'm pulling a constant draw of 5,230W

You can see in this graph, grid-consumption is zero from about 6:30am to 4:30pm. This is when I'm self-consuming. Production is so high that I still manage to feed back to the grid around 75kWh. Seeing as I get credited for feeding in at a rate of 50% the grid rate, this effectively offsets another 37.5kWh of usage. So my 67kWh of grid-use is offset down to 29.5kWh, which is roughly $7 per day. Not bad for 5,230W constant draw! I wish they were all sunny days like this example.



I have 5 more cards at the post office, ready for pick-up. They will go straight into spare slots on these motheboards, bringing me to 5800W constant draw. Remembering that my new breakers are good for 7,680W, there is still room to expand! The limiting factor now is shelf space. But I think clearly there is room for 1 more rig on the left shelf.

More soon!

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