My response to the community - page 2.

Herodes

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Quote from: organofcorti on February 07, 2013, 10:53:07 AM

Quote from: Herodes on February 07, 2013, 08:33:58 AM

I have reported this thread twice to mods.

I'm sick and tired that one mans ego shall be flaunted in one single thread.

Delete your posts from the thread, then it won't bother you anymore.

I am more concerned with the community as a whole. I think threads in the bitcoin sub forum, which is the main forum on this site, should contain mostly useful threads, not gossip, drama and drivel. It's not about my personal incovenience.

organofcorti

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Quote from: Herodes on February 07, 2013, 08:33:58 AM

I have reported this thread twice to mods.

I'm sick and tired that one mans ego shall be flaunted in one single thread.

Delete your posts from the thread, then it won't bother you anymore.

JoelKatz

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 07, 2013, 04:22:52 AM

PS What backs bitcoin? (Been dying to hear your answer.)

Nothing. Bitcoin behaves more like a commodity than a currency. What backs gold?

TheKoziTwo

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Quote from: abbyd on February 06, 2013, 03:38:12 PM

So much drama here - when I was a kid we used to say, "Money talks, bullsh*t walks".

We need secure BTC escrow services - then we'll never have to endure these 40-page docu-dramas...

+1 for money talks bullshit walks...

Matthew N. Wright

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Quote from: Herodes on February 07, 2013, 08:33:58 AM

I have reported this thread twice to mods.

I'm sick and tired that one mans ego shall be flaunted in one single thread.

There are many ppl making bitcoin great, at this point in time, Matthew is not one of them.

Everybody that agress should report this thread, and ask having it moved to off topic.

I don't see any good in continuing this thread either. The people involved in the bet have a different thread to communicate in about the actual settlements. I support your motion to move it to somewhere more fitting.

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I don't think it should even be in the off topic section, put it in the scam accusations board because that's what this is.

Herodes

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I have reported this thread twice to mods.

I'm sick and tired that one mans ego shall be flaunted in one single thread.

There are many ppl making bitcoin great, at this point in time, Matthew is not one of them.

Everybody that agress should report this thread, and ask having it moved to off topic.

Matthew N. Wright

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Quote from: Puppet on February 07, 2013, 04:56:09 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 07, 2013, 04:43:22 AM

Only speculation suggests Matt made a single Satoshi from his prank, but he is shunned and labeled a scammer.

Something is rotten here, and we can't be the only ones smelling it.

He labeled himself a scammer, it was a clause of his bet. Even without that clause, willful deceit and not honoring a financial agreement should give anyone a scammer tag, particularly when we are talking 10s of 1000s of BTC.

As for PPTs, I too think they should be labeled as scammer, but at least you can argue for most of them that they did honor their agreements.

This is true. I agree completely that I asked for a scammer tag plain as day. The point about some others not getting them to me says that there is a need for an additional tag (which Theymos has already declined to make on numerous occasions). It just simply isn't so easy to say someone is a scammer. Deadbeat tag FTW.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 07, 2013, 04:43:22 AM

Only speculation suggests Matt made a single Satoshi from his prank, but he is shunned and labeled a scammer.

Something is rotten here, and we can't be the only ones smelling it.

He labeled himself a scammer, it was a clause of his bet. Even without that clause, willful deceit and not honoring a financial agreement should give anyone a scammer tag, particularly when we are talking 10s of 1000s of BTC.

As for PPTs, I too think they should be labeled as scammer, but at least you can argue for most of them that they did honor their agreements.

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Quote from: repentance on February 06, 2013, 09:24:21 PM

Quote from: JoelKatz on February 06, 2013, 06:28:18 PM

So then I presume you don't think Pirate owes anyone anything. After all, their relying on him was irrational.

Let's face it, there were people trying to profiteer from the pirate debacle by buying up pirate debt as cheaply as possible and then betting with Matthew. One clusterfuck which was driven by greed rather than common-sense got compounded by another debacle driven by greed rather than common-sense.

It's bit like Nigerian scams - they can't work unless potential victims are willing to abandon all common-sense and break the law to boot. They rely in large part on wilful ignorance on the part of victims.

Very good points.

Pirate pass through operators made bank yet didn't get scammer tags, and Prof. Katz defends them.

Only speculation suggests Matt made a single Satoshi from his prank, but he is shunned and labeled a scammer.

Something is rotten here, and we can't be the only ones smelling it.

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Quote from: sublime5447 on February 06, 2013, 09:12:27 PM

Okay I understand but there has to be a rehabilitation program.

Yeah, but it would have to start with Matthew putting his money were is mouth currently is and start coughing up some coin. Even if he cant pay back all his bets, its the only thing that would show he is sincere. "I was absolutely going to pay up to 1000BTC" he wrote, that would be a good start.

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Quote from: JoelKatz on February 06, 2013, 06:28:18 PM

So then I presume you don't think Pirate owes anyone anything. After all, their relying on him was irrational.

Presume all you like my good fellow. I shan't bother listing all the key characteristics differentiating poor silly old Matt from the rapacious, calculating Pirate@40.

Suffice it to remind everyone that you 'Can't Con An Honest John.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTB929OoqI4

^^Warning: sick beatz!11

PS What backs bitcoin? (Been dying to hear your answer.)

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on February 06, 2013, 04:12:47 AM

This is when I learned a lesson I had never had first hand experience with until now: *never fuck with other people's money*.

Hear, hear! Bitcoinica take heed.

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Quote from: JoelKatz on February 06, 2013, 06:28:18 PM

So then I presume you don't think Pirate owes anyone anything. After all, their relying on him was irrational.

Let's face it, there were people trying to profiteer from the pirate debacle by buying up pirate debt as cheaply as possible and then betting with Matthew. One clusterfuck which was driven by greed rather than common-sense got compounded by another debacle driven by greed rather than common-sense.

It's bit like Nigerian scams - they can't work unless potential victims are willing to abandon all common-sense and break the law to boot. They rely in large part on wilful ignorance on the part of victims.

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Quote from: sublime5447 on February 06, 2013, 08:59:38 PM

I am in favor of suspending part of the debt the debtors are responsible for the debt too and should pay some of the cost.

Maybe Matthew can list his debt as an "asset" on one of exchanges, with shares assigned based on the respective proportion of the total debt owed to them, and as he works it off he can make dividend payments which will be distributed proportionally to all debt holders.

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Okay I understand but there has to be a rehabilitation program. If people rip me off then make good they go into probation after a time limit the negative rating would be removed. I would say 7 years.

organofcorti

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Quote from: sublime5447 on February 06, 2013, 08:59:38 PM

the people who took Mathews bets have some liability in this matter as well. If you let someone get into a hole owing to you when you know that they have little chance of making good on their bet you share some of the risk. This is just like the banks loaning on homes to buyers they know couldn't pay.

The bet didn't start that way.After a while with the bet growing to ridiculous proportions it became was obvious he wouldn't be able to pay but early on the total sum bet was low enough to make it possible for Matthew to repay.

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the people who took Mathews bets have some liability in this matter as well. If you let someone get into a hole owing to you when you know that they have little chance of making good on their bet you share some of the risk. This is just like the banks loaning on homes to buyers they know couldn't pay. I am not in favor of removing Mathews scammer X's. I am in favor of suspending part of the debt the debtors are responsible for the debt too and should pay some of the cost.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on February 06, 2013, 05:48:25 PM

EG I could promise you the moon, but you'd be unreasonable and foolish to expect and/or rely on me to actually deliver said orbiting celestial object.

Applied to this situation, we may observe that relying on Matt to honor his bet was greedy, irrational behavior.

Due diligence and common sense demand using an intermediary specializing in brokering bets, of which there are at least two using Bitcoin.

Furthermore, this forum is well known to be particularly unsuitable as reliable venue for wagers.

It is rife with scams, trolling, humor, pranks, and drama. And I like it that way.

Anyone who lost money as a result of entering into such an obviously puckish bet, sans escrow, deserves to lose at least one Bitcoin for each they hoped to gain.

So then I presume you don't think Pirate owes anyone anything. After all, their relying on him was irrational.

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Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on February 06, 2013, 03:45:55 PM

At this point I vote to remove the scammer tag from Matthew, even because there are several a-holes around here who scammed purposefully even larger numbers of people and did not get it.

BTW: I betted with him and now I think that he is sincere and in any case all the drama in his outstandingly well written posts is worth of his presence.

*facepalm*

I for one was hoping that he'd have the decency to never show up again.

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