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Quote from: dree12 on August 14, 2012, 10:45:19 AM

Quote from: FirstAscent on August 14, 2012, 10:39:02 AM

The visceral hatred of science expressed by the libertarians here makes all of you appear very strange. Most of you are a confused and hypocritical lot.

Let's get something straight: ecology is not politics anymore than astronomy is. If you think it is, than you're kind of stupid. And if you keep using your ideology to change how you think about ecology, then you deserve all the disrespect you get.

Exactly. Science is not politics. So don't argue about politics in a thread about science.

The OP in this thread is a politically motivated attack on environmentalism.

Also, apparently you missed the part where I present information about ecology, and then get replies claiming that information is political.

I tell you what, dree12, I'll leave you and your buddies to convince all of yourselves that you actually know stuff you don't about the subject, so that you can continue to wallow in your own ideas (bereft of any scientific basis), and then you'll be blissfully happy as each of you pats each other on the back for believing all of your own rhetoric.

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Quote from: FirstAscent on August 14, 2012, 10:39:02 AM

The visceral hatred of science expressed by the libertarians here makes all of you appear very strange. Most of you are a confused and hypocritical lot.

Let's get something straight: ecology is not politics anymore than astronomy is. If you think it is, than you're kind of stupid. And if you keep using your ideology to change how you think about ecology, then you deserve all the disrespect you get.

Exactly. Science is not politics. So don't argue about politics in a thread about science.

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The visceral hatred of science expressed by the libertarians here makes all of you appear very strange. Most of you are a confused and hypocritical lot.

Let's get something straight: ecology is not politics anymore than astronomy is. If you think it is, than you're kind of stupid. And if you keep using your ideology to change how you think about ecology, then you deserve all the disrespect you get.

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I'd ignored you, but looking at the quote above, it looks like you are a still a bald-faced liar, FirstAscent. I look forward to your claim that I threatened you in this very post, so it is absolutely clear to everyone that you are a pathological lying sack of crap.

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Quote from: FirstAscent on August 14, 2012, 12:58:41 AM

Quote from: myrkul on August 14, 2012, 12:56:37 AM

Until you do, I'm not responding to you other than to deliver another link to that thread, and repeat this demand.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

I have noted your demand and your threat. Of what significance it is to me, I neither know nor care.

I make no threat... Getting bored yet?

You say you want to educate me. Do so, at the thread linked. Until you do, I'm not responding to you other than to deliver another link to that thread, and repeat this demand.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

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Quote from: myrkul on August 14, 2012, 12:56:37 AM

Until you do, I'm not responding to you other than to deliver another link to that thread, and repeat this demand.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

I have noted your demand and your threat. Of what significance it is to me, I neither know nor care.

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Quote from: FirstAscent on August 14, 2012, 12:52:06 AM

Quote from: myrkul on August 14, 2012, 12:45:26 AM

You say you want to educate me. Do so, at the thread linked. Until you do, I'm not responding to you other than to deliver another link to that thread, and repeat this demand.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

I'll take your request to be symbolic of the following:

1. You demand others educate you, rather than being proactive about your own education.

2. You realize you're deficient with regard to the subject matter.

3. From (2), we can conclude you're not qualified to make judgements about the applicability of the ecological sciences to economics, policy or society, and conversely, you're not qualified to make judgements about the effects of your ideology on ecosystems.

However, my question to you, repeated now several times, offers you the opportunity to discuss the matter further in such a way that both your understanding of the matters would be increased, your thought processes exercised, and additionally, would offer you the opportunity to gain some respect from your foes, something which is generally worth more than respect from your group think buddies.

You say you want to educate me. Do so, at the thread linked. Until you do, I'm not responding to you other than to deliver another link to that thread, and repeat this demand.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

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Quote from: myrkul on August 14, 2012, 12:45:26 AM

You say you want to educate me. Do so, at the thread linked. Until you do, I'm not responding to you other than to deliver another link to that thread, and repeat this demand.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

I'll take your request to be symbolic of the following:

1. You demand others educate you, rather than being proactive about your own education.

2. You realize you're deficient with regard to the subject matter.

3. From (2), we can conclude you're not qualified to make judgements about the applicability of the ecological sciences to economics, policy or society, and conversely, you're not qualified to make judgements about the effects of your ideology on ecosystems.

However, my question to you, repeated now several times, offers you the opportunity to discuss the matter further in such a way that both your understanding of the matters would be increased, your thought processes exercised, and additionally, would offer you the opportunity to gain some respect from your foes, something which is generally worth more than respect from your group think buddies.

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You say you want to educate me. Do so, at the thread linked. Until you do, I'm not responding to you other than to deliver another link to that thread, and repeat this demand.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

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Quote from: myrkul on August 14, 2012, 12:35:26 AM

You say you want to educate me. Do so, at the thread linked. Until you do, I'm not responding to you other than to deliver another link to that thread, and repeat this demand.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

Deflection on your part will not hide how you aren't able to think outside the boundaries of your own ideology.

I'll ask again, since you made the analogy about beavers and humanity. What is it about humanity that makes it worthwhile to think of them and their actions as separate from natural processes?

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You say you want to educate me. Do so, at the thread linked. Until you do, I'm not responding to you other than to deliver another link to that thread, and repeat this demand.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

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Quote from: myrkul on August 14, 2012, 12:27:18 AM

I'm not listening, or responding, to any more of your environmentalist drivel until you cogently explain your position in the thread linked above. Now get to it, or shut the fuck up.

Ecology isn't a position. It's not a political thing anymore than astronomy is. If you wish to call ecology drivel, then explain how it qualifies as such.

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Quote from: myrkul on August 12, 2012, 10:35:38 PM

Quote from: myrkul on August 12, 2012, 10:10:14 PM

Feel free:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

I'm not listening, or responding, to any more of your environmentalist drivel until you cogently explain your position in the thread linked above. Now get to it, or shut the fuck up.

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I see myrkul still can't figure out the difference between beavers and humanity. Hint: it's more than just a difference in magnitude. Tell me now, do you still have those blinders on which causes you to see the world in a way that makes it convenient for you to defend AnCap? Debating while wearing blinders only shows that your ideas are not sound or robust.

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Quote from: myrkul on August 12, 2012, 11:51:32 PM

Quote from: FirstAscent on August 12, 2012, 11:49:23 PM

Quote from: myrkul on August 12, 2012, 11:46:36 PM

Quote from: FirstAscent on August 12, 2012, 11:44:46 PM

Try discussing, rather than forcing others to say things. It's kind of hypocritical, don't you think? Nobody is stopping you from discussing and sharing knowledge about how the environment works, are they? Instead, what you're doing is demanding that someone state a position on a solution that agrees with you before discussing the mechanics of the problem. Kind of backwards, isn't it?

Feel free to discuss the mechanics of the problem any time you like: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

Is that because you expect someone else to educate you and wipe your ass, instead of being encouraged to learn on your own?

No, that's because you started that thread indicating you wanted to educate people. Go. Do.

Is that because you want to be educated? Please demonstrate that by considering the notion that your analogy of beaver engineering to human engineering does not work, even when ignoring the magnitude of the differences. What is it about humanity which makes it valid to separate it from nature when evaluating the impact of humanity on the environment? Are you unable to figure this one out? Must this discussion end with the obvious conclusion that you are mentally unable to think on a matter without being influenced by your ideology?

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Quote from: asdf on August 13, 2012, 05:07:00 AM

If you want to spread the message of AnCap, you can surely find some lower hanging fruit. I suggest you stop banging you heads against this wall of bigotry and find people more receptive to the principals of a free society. I personally, am done.

I have no hope that FirstAscent will ever give up his position. I take comfort in this, as it affords me an eternally available target to demonstrate the folly of. My goal is not to convert FirstAscent, but those who chance upon our discussions, and see a well-reasoned argument for peace and education met with evasion and calls of "there oughtta be a law". And if, in the end, I do show FirstAscent the error of his ways, well, that's just a bonus.

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FirstAscent is a tyrant. He wants to use the force of the state to implement his ideal of environmental harmony. However noble the intent, such an implementation is misguided, destructive.

He might change his mind and see that violent interactions are inferior to peaceful ones. He might not. What is certain though is that we have and are wasting way too much energy in these "debates" where he constantly avoids the core principal. He only want's to preach his doctrine of violent control. He is too attached to his regulatory framework to accept reason.

If you want to spread the message of AnCap, you can surely find some lower hanging fruit. I suggest you stop banging you heads against this wall of bigotry and find people more receptive to the principals of a free society. I personally, am done.

I know you persist because it bothers you that one cannot see a message so clear and pure, but it's time to accept that some people just don't want to understand. We will have to drag them kicking an screaming into a society free from institutionalised violence - metaphorically, of course Wink

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Quote from: FirstAscent on August 12, 2012, 11:49:23 PM

Quote from: myrkul on August 12, 2012, 11:46:36 PM

Quote from: FirstAscent on August 12, 2012, 11:44:46 PM

Try discussing, rather than forcing others to say things. It's kind of hypocritical, don't you think? Nobody is stopping you from discussing and sharing knowledge about how the environment works, are they? Instead, what you're doing is demanding that someone state a position on a solution that agrees with you before discussing the mechanics of the problem. Kind of backwards, isn't it?

Feel free to discuss the mechanics of the problem any time you like: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

Is that because you expect someone else to educate you and wipe your ass, instead of being encouraged to learn on your own?

No, that's because you started that thread indicating you wanted to educate people. Go. Do.

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Quote from: myrkul on August 12, 2012, 11:46:36 PM

Quote from: FirstAscent on August 12, 2012, 11:44:46 PM

Try discussing, rather than forcing others to say things. It's kind of hypocritical, don't you think? Nobody is stopping you from discussing and sharing knowledge about how the environment works, are they? Instead, what you're doing is demanding that someone state a position on a solution that agrees with you before discussing the mechanics of the problem. Kind of backwards, isn't it?

Feel free to discuss the mechanics of the problem any time you like: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ecosystems-edge-effects-and-related-environmental-issues-92952

Is that because you expect someone else to educate you and wipe your ass, instead of being encouraged to learn on your own?

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