My taught of plagiarism, spamming and scam in forum. - page 2.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on September 17, 2020, 08:59:56 AM

There was this thread that kept track of ban appeals for a while: BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods). It contains a list of appeals between mid-November 2018 and early July 2019, totalling 67 entries (which is not much really, since most people do not appeal).

The list displays apeals for:
Legendary: 16
Hero Member: 10
Sr. Member: 17
Full Member: 17
Member: 4
Jr. Member: 3

Out of which:
2 were unbanned (one was framed if I recall correctly, and the other more or less proved it wasn’t him).
12 got a signature ban (normally for a year or two).
53 remained banned.

That is just a fraction of all banned accounts really, as the vast majority do no resort to appealing the ban (be it due to their low rank, or knowingly aware of their slip).

Thanks for the info. So basically the chances to appeal are very slim unless you have some solid substance to back your case.

But then those list as you mentioned are not up-to-date, so I believe there's way more appeals which have not been added to the count? As we have seen those threads posted on Meta from time to time, but they hardly ever ended on a good note.

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Quote from: UserU on September 17, 2020, 07:57:55 AM

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There was this thread that kept track of ban appeals for a while: BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods). It contains a list of appeals between mid-November 2018 and early July 2019, totalling 67 entries (which is not much really, since most people do not appeal).

The list displays apeals for:
Legendary: 16
Hero Member: 10
Sr. Member: 17
Full Member: 17
Member: 4
Jr. Member: 3

Out of which:
2 were unbanned (one was framed if I recall correctly, and the other more or less proved it wasn’t him).
12 got a signature ban (normally for a year or two).
53 remained banned.

That is just a fraction of all banned accounts really, as the vast majority do no resort to appealing the ban (be it due to their low rank, or knowingly aware of their slip).

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on September 17, 2020, 07:51:09 AM

Posters who plagiarized and were banned need to have very good contribution history to get ban uplift. It not happens too often AFAIK. If they get a second chance, some sort of reduced account restrictions will be implemented, as replacements for permanent bans.
- Signature ban next 1 or 2 year. I don't remember a shorter period of such signature ban (6 months, probably).
- Signature ban and temp ban (can not post for a while).
- No restrictions at all (it is rarely to see)

[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism

I really pity those that plagiarized during the early days but eventually contributed loads to the forum and the ban suddenly fell out of nowhere. I recalled seeing some thread about it but I highly doubt there would be changes to the current stance on plagiarism, and with theymos hardly commenting on these kind of things.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on September 17, 2020, 05:36:07 AM

(*) Sometimes, mods/admins may take into account the poster’s history and the post’s content to infer the non-intent, but that in not a likely outcome by a long shot.

Posters who plagiarized and were banned need to have very good contribution history to get ban uplift. It not happens too often AFAIK. If they get a second chance, some sort of reduced account restrictions will be implemented, as replacements for permanent bans.
- Signature ban next 1 or 2 year. I don't remember a shorter period of such signature ban (6 months, probably).
- Signature ban and temp ban (can not post for a while).
- No restrictions at all (it is rarely to see)

[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism

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I just want to warn everyone who decides to somehow deceive the community, as well as pass off other people's publications as their own.

There are many examples and tearful stories when people, being newbies, were copying someone else's content to develop and raise their rank on the forum. After a while, their plagiarism still becomes detectable. The saddest thing is that quite a long time passes during the copy/paste time, people achieve some kind of success, and the moment comes when their accounts are blocked on the forum. This is very sad.

Therefore, if you are a beginner, do not rush, ask about your questions. The writing style of many newbies is very easy to distinguish and understand whether the post was written by themselves or copied. In addition, there are many services on the Internet that make it easy to detect plagiarism.
Just write your posts yourself, and be convincing. Everything else will come to you in due time.

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on September 17, 2020, 02:48:45 AM

<…> the concepts of plagiarism even myself I taught is repeating someone's work in forum.

Plagiarism here is not delimited to copy/[spin]/paste someone´s posts originated on the forum, but anywhere.

The idea is simple: If somebody copies and pastes a content, where ever it may be originated, without referencing the original source (be it a forum post or not), that is considered plagiarism. Spinning a text (i.e. permuting o altering words from the original source) is also considered plagiarism.

The bottom line is that a post is considered plagiarized, if it tries to pass-off somebody else’s work, totally or partially, as his own. There should be intent to pass somebody else’s work as your own in the process really, but by default, that intent is assumed (*). To avoid it, one simply has to reference the source, although performing a copy/paste + link, with no additional thought, is likely going to be considered a post with cero added value, and can easily get deleted if reported.

(*) Sometimes, mods/admins may take into account the poster’s history and the post’s content to infer the non-intent, but that in not a likely outcome by a long shot.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on September 16, 2020, 11:20:01 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on September 16, 2020, 04:38:14 AM

IMO, plagiarism is often made by not newbies only. Experienced members, or I should say abusers also doing it. They know that's not allowed, but they are doing it intentionally, expecting that they won't be caught.
I think we will see all kind of abuse here on Bitcointalk, as long as money is involved here. Plagiarism, spam, scams. People just become greedy when they see easy opportunity to get easy money.

There is a lot of abuse and in the end they plagiarize to make it easier not to think in unique words, but there are still many newbies and experienced people who continue to do this because they want to make it easier in their work so they just copy without thinking, and this is a big problem. where if we leave them there will be more and more spamer that happens like this, even if all of it will be arrested and banned in this forum.

If I may ask researching in internet and edit works with the source,does it have effect to user, can it be tagged as plagiarism? because I never get total concept of plagiarism I taught is when someone copies already treated work in the forum.

Like newbies who plagiarism is their motive, copies a work does not mean that their lazy to construct topics of their own but is to make a quality post because their no properly informed.
I found out some users don't really comprehend the concepts of plagiarism even myself I taught is repeating someone's work in forum.

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There are some reasons why some beginners end up plagiarizing any content, they don't have enough knowledge about the crypto world but they really want to participate well in this forum and gain merits as well so they think that if they copy some good information about any website then they may receive any merits. They don't even think that they can be caught by some other members here. They know that it is not bad and it won help them to improve as a person but they don't have a choice so they still do it just to gain merit.
I know this thing because I did this before for some other forums. I already learned my lesson and I will never do it again.

We can use and get some ideas about others' content but we should give credits to them. We may also do paraphrasing and include the link. We have many ways to create quality posts without doing plagiarism. It won't help you as a member of this forum and it may be the reason for getting ban.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on September 16, 2020, 04:38:14 AM

IMO, plagiarism is often made by not newbies only. Experienced members, or I should say abusers also doing it. They know that's not allowed, but they are doing it intentionally, expecting that they won't be caught.
I think we will see all kind of abuse here on Bitcointalk, as long as money is involved here. Plagiarism, spam, scams. People just become greedy when they see easy opportunity to get easy money.

There is a lot of abuse and in the end they plagiarize to make it easier not to think in unique words, but there are still many newbies and experienced people who continue to do this because they want to make it easier in their work so they just copy without thinking, and this is a big problem. where if we leave them there will be more and more spamer that happens like this, even if all of it will be arrested and banned in this forum.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on September 15, 2020, 02:42:28 AM

Some ought to plagiarized cause they are kind of hefty lazy they can't have their own words, and some don't take credits where they get their information, lazy one as well. On regards with spamming I think it's fully addressed now by the use of merit system.

I think scamming here is a bad idea if ever there's one tries to, their are numerous guys outta here that are active and doesn't condone such acts plus with the trust system in its back.

Plagiarizing is really the most known prohibited thing here and we don't tolerate that here in this forum.

You need to make a reasonable post, quality, and informative so that you can prove your point to other people.

It is not that easy to make a good post if you are willing to earn a merit and if you truly deserves it. You just need to do some effort, spend time reading a lot of articles and news regarding the market, economy, cryptocurrency and in the world. But you should also consider posting if it is necessary, so that you prevent yourself from spamming.

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IMO, plagiarism is often made by not newbies only. Experienced members, or I should say abusers also doing it. They know that's not allowed, but they are doing it intentionally, expecting that they won't be caught.
I think we will see all kind of abuse here on Bitcointalk, as long as money is involved here. Plagiarism, spam, scams. People just become greedy when they see easy opportunity to get easy money.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on September 15, 2020, 06:37:45 PM

If anyone of us wants o make a contribution i will share the posts with you:

Is on how to make a quality contributions in forum instead of spamming, when we said spamming what come to my mind is that going to previous pages to find topic you wants to write on "is absolutely spamming" I don't really no if the way I comprehend and interprets my own way of spamming is the way others those.

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Plagiarism and spam has been a serious problem in this forum, and some users decided to help the forum moderators detecting the spammers. If anyone of us wants o make a contribution i will share the posts with you:

[CLUB] The SpamBusters! Busting rule-breakers constantly.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/clubthe-spambuster3-cases-openover-3000-accounts-reviewed1800-0908-4720640

Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/report-plagiarism-copypaste-here-mods-please-give-temp-or-permban-as-needed-1926895

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Quote from: erikoy on September 15, 2020, 09:27:10 AM

More users tend to do clever things because they do not see their worth especially low rank users. After some time they learn and achieve here in the forum and then mods found out they plagiarized they get ban. Then they complain in the meta section ask to lift the ban. This is the usual scenario that is happening to users that somehow regrets to plagiarize content. This is why newbie should reflect on this problem so as to avoid in getting the same scenario in the future like getting ban or being flag as scammer or tag as spammer in the future.

It truly happens in this forum. When a newcomer in this forum wanted to earn cryptocurrencies in signature campaigns, they will start to spam posts and plaigarized contents from articles in the internet for them to earn merits and ranked up. Once they experienced ranking up and have joined in signature campaigns, some users will began to noticed it, so their account will be banned or will have a red trust due to their past mistakes.

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More users tend to do clever things because they do not see their worth especially low rank users. After some time they learn and achieve here in the forum and then mods found out they plagiarized they get ban. Then they complain in the meta section ask to lift the ban. This is the usual scenario that is happening to users that somehow regrets to plagiarize content. This is why newbie should reflect on this problem so as to avoid in getting the same scenario in the future like getting ban or being flag as scammer or tag as spammer in the future.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on September 15, 2020, 02:42:28 AM

Some ought to plagiarized cause they are kind of hefty lazy they can't have their own words

I kind of agree with you on the hefty lazy part because, they surely are. They've been way too used to the short way out and seems to be stock there but then, the funny truth is, they can always get out. You've just got to mean it. This is why,
I don't agree with you on the part that says 'they can't get their own words'. I believe that to be some sort of exaggeration from you and I get that but then, to spammers and plagiarisers;
You've always got your own words, for a fact, you can't say yes to all you read or download on the web or from any source of information. Even at that, you've always got that part that says, this should be added to the content to make it even more better or this can be done this way.
To me, that's an opinion and it's not stupid to express it. It only creates an opportunity for correction or improvement. Better still, if your so much in love with a content and you really don't want to add so much to it, just reference them by posting the link and it saves you from trouble. But again, you've got yo learn how to have your own voice, it's some of the greatest freedom you'll ever have. You've got the time, use it and put in the work.

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Why not just give own thoughts about a certain topic. Plagiarism is one of the most forbidden thing that we should not do. We don't own those words so we should credit where we got it. Just provide the link then you're good to go. In forums, it is not necessary to quote it using APA citations or any other citation formats that are usually used on theses/researches.

Spamming are usually done by newbies since they are new they don't probably new that it is forbidden, they will realize that afterwards as they stays on the forum becasue someone will tell it to them. Some members also that have current signature campaigns commits spamming, maybe because they need to comply into it after being inactive for a while.

Scamming is strictly forbidden, most of the time they are always being spotted here in our forum, so it will not be easy for them. Bounty campaigns are most likely the campaigns that has a lot of scammers.

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How about your plagiarism?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55112911

My report: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/report-plagiarism-copypaste-here-mods-please-give-temp-or-permban-as-needed-1926895

That is the reason we have to make a proper research because some people fall victims because their not informed concerning plagiarism and also don't know the implications yet,things we see with ordinary eye will never be the same with microscope,so who are ignorant in certain things are normally put into considerable.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on September 15, 2020, 02:23:08 AM

It is even simple, if you know you want to avoid spamming and plagiarism, then adding the link of the site you copy from is so simple, and if the post is good enough to be awarded merit, definitely, some people will do. Newbies should try and understand to write a whole topic/post off hand or do add the link. As simple as that.

Some people are not even just worthy to be on this forum because they do not know what to contribute and having ego to ask, some people are having psychological progression in a way they can not be corrected, such people will make mistakes and are not receptive to accept any correction at all. It is very possible such people can even plagiarize.

About the issue of scamming, I like that this forum is a whole lot of lessons for us, any good member of this forum that is scammed may not be possible, the forum helped us to know about scam, how to avoid them, and also helped us to maintain high privacy level. So, coming here to scam is just a waste of time. The best knowledge I have had in life are all from this forum.

To avoid been plagiarized is very simple, but people people choose to plagiarised in order to make a quality post.from the views of everything a newbies is meant to use initiatives to construct topics so that it enhance them to make better reputation.
Yeah.. Its audible to the deaf and clear to the blind that not everyone have the momentum or criteria to be here due to the level of response some people render in the forum, but I now with time those people who fine it difficult to respond properly will acclimatized to the system.

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Some ought to plagiarized cause they are kind of hefty lazy they can't have their own words, and some don't take credits where they get their information, lazy one as well. On regards with spamming I think it's fully addressed now by the use of merit system.

I think scamming here is a bad idea if ever there's one tries to, their are numerous guys outta here that are active and doesn't condone such acts plus with the trust system in its back.

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