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Topic: MyBitcoin has started spending our stolen coins - page 2. (Read 10356 times)

legendary
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Actually it looks like they are all empty, but I'm fairly certain this is the wallet address 1CQJMVXcvUNfu9TiZuz9UDEZUtvbiGPWBi  no activity from Aug 8 2011 until Jan 7 2012
We have a match! If anything, this shows how completely we could script the accounting. That address is used in the same transaction as 1Fv74A11EWzekD5g1oWEdKkBvm6sAvJEuN in these transactions:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/3b9c6d77b0015f25093b4233fe06a116bd19e157e1442f99f0010dbe28c34093
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/c1590040871443e884d9c14e7cc6a4fed57bc942ec68eaab67e3dfee9cdd9b6b
donator
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Merit: 500
Would the list of addresses that sent my payout help? I dug into an old wallet and found the transaction.  I had more there than I thought.

Actually it looks like they are all empty, but I'm fairly certain this is the wallet address 1CQJMVXcvUNfu9TiZuz9UDEZUtvbiGPWBi  no activity from Aug 8 2011 until Jan 7 2012
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1015
I just realized why we are seeing that consolidation...

Thanks to his stupidity, we might eventually be able to track good 'ole Tom down.

I am trying to follow this, but to simplify it, a Bitcoin business of some kind would have to be involved to confirm the identity of a person who is trying to spend the Bitcoin?    Is this where Mt Gox comes in?   I figured a person would be smart enough to spend the coin on goods and services rather than try and exchange it out for cash in front of everyone's face.  Or it is done little by little daily or something. 

Someone call Bruce or the Bitcoin Police?  Or were they doing more damage than good for this cause? 

You pretty much have it down. We likely won't be able to find much, but he might slip up. He just needs to slip up once.
hero member
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Thanks to his stupidity, we might eventually be able to track good 'ole Tom down.

I am trying to follow this, but to simplify it, a Bitcoin business of some kind would have to be involved to confirm the identity of a person who is trying to spend the Bitcoin?    Is this where Mt Gox comes in?   I figured a person would be smart enough to spend the coin on goods and services rather than try and exchange it out for cash in front of everyone's face.  Or it is done little by little daily or something. 

Someone call Bruce or the Bitcoin Police?  Or were they doing more damage than good for this cause? 
legendary
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Merit: 1015
Where are you getting the addresses from? And how much did that phony release say they "lost"?
From the non-change of the inputs to the change of the transaction from the OP's first address.

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Sunday, August 7th, 2011

                MYBITCOIN ASSETS AND LIABILITIES DISCLOSURE

        Liabilities (Bitcoin)      Assets (Bitcoin)   Percentage
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          154,406.34272079      75,666.76066691         49%
With a script (since I won't do it by hand), we could do some accounting on those numbers. Additionally, we'd be able to gather up a large number of the addresses and start tracking them. Thanks to his stupidity, we might eventually be able to track good 'ole Tom down.
donator
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Where are you getting the addresses from? And how much did that phony release say they "lost"?
legendary
Activity: 1204
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Damn, someone REALLY needs to run a script on this. I barely scratched the first connected transaction, and I've already found over 500 BTC in 21 addresses.
legendary
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Firstbits: 1pirata
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If Mt. Gox is forced to reveal info due to governmental demand, well, that's that.

But I personally would rather them NOT just step into a policing role in this matter. I already have my concerns with using their service... for them to do that would just cinch it.

If individuals discover the output of the funds themselves, then good for them, hopefully they can resolve their losses in a peaceful manner.


will see about how peaceful they are when find out where that guy is, will be like next Osama
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1004
Firstbits: Compromised. Thanks, Android!
The odd thing is the coins are not being sent in the way a normal Bitcoin client would send them, the address balances are being nibbled at and combined with other small payments from other address to new addresses, like here: http://blockexplorer.com/address/12ViYXgordxUkmPhN5PAU9vJRHwc8jftfQ. The coins are sitting in that new address. Now the question is, is that a MtGox address or still the BitThiefs? If MagicalTux is willing to lock accounts because coins were long before used to scam him of MMORPG money, he should at least be willing to find, flag, lock, and IP log coins sent directly from mybitcoin users' addresses to the exchange, disclose that those are MtGox addresses if requested, and respond to subpoenas to the identity of the thief (for private action or to be handed over to the prosecution arm of juristictional law enforcement).

If Mt. Gox is forced to reveal info due to governmental demand, well, that's that.

But I personally would rather them NOT just step into a policing role in this matter. I already have my concerns with using their service... for them to do that would just cinch it.

If individuals discover the output of the funds themselves, then good for them, hopefully they can resolve their losses in a peaceful manner.
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1015
They weren't sent to MtGox. If they were, they would have moved already. I have no idea about that weird consolidation, though. Luckily, it was done so poorly that we can now trace a very large amount of funds. With a script, you could trace each input, as well as the change, to find all spends out of what is known to be mybitcoin from the input and change information. It'd be cool to get a final number, too.
legendary
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aka tonikt
The odd thing is the coins are not being sent in the way a normal Bitcoin client would send them, the address balances are being nibbled at and combined with other small payments from other address to new addresses, like here: http://blockexplorer.com/address/12ViYXgordxUkmPhN5PAU9vJRHwc8jftfQ. The coins are sitting in that new address. Now the question is, is that a MtGox address or still the BitThiefs? If MagicalTux is willing to lock accounts because coins were long before used to scam him of MMORPG money, he should at least be willing to find, flag, lock, and IP log coins sent directly from mybitcoin users' addresses to the exchange, disclose that those are MtGox addresses if requested, and respond to subpoenas to the identity of the thief (for private action or to be handed over to the prosecution arm of juristictional law enforcement).

Along with the magical re-appearance of "Tom Williams" at the same time, we know it's the site owner, and I have a feeling they are being transferred to the exchange for quick sell, huge sells happening right after these transfers
Nice research!
I don't even think the service owners should be disclosing their customer data in such case - even if we prove that this money come from the stolen mybitcoin deposits.
Stealing some suckers money is bad, but there are also other important principles, which I prefer.
Like: I don't want any bitcoin service to disclose any of my data to any other entity - ever. I'm not an evil person, but still if they could that - I'd appreciate it Smiley

Which doesn't mean that I don't want the guy who stole my money to by miserable - what else can I feel? Smiley
But that's fine - it's only some pity money; don't let your dogs eat him - that could look much worse Smiley
legendary
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The odd thing is the coins are not being sent in the way a normal Bitcoin client would send them, the address balances are being nibbled at and combined with other small payments from other address to new addresses, like here: http://blockexplorer.com/address/12ViYXgordxUkmPhN5PAU9vJRHwc8jftfQ. The coins are sitting in that new address. Now the question is, is that a MtGox address or still the BitThiefs? If MtGox is willing to lock accounts because coins were long before used to scam MMORPG money, they should at least be willing to find, flag, lock, and IP log coins sent directly from mybitcoin users' addresses to the exchange, disclose that those are MtGox addresses if requested, and respond to subpoenas to the identity of the thief (for private action or to be handed over to the prosecution arm of juristictional law enforcement).

Along with the magical re-appearance of "Tom Williams" at the same time, we know it's the site owner, and I have a feeling they are being transferred to the exchange for quick sell, huge sells happening right after these transfers.
donator
Activity: 1218
Merit: 1079
Gerald Davis
Seriously, anyone who trusted mybitcoin with significant amount of coins deserved to lose them. Online wallets are good only if they are backed by a known company, if the wallet provider has no access to the private keys

FYP.
hero member
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Merit: 1000
bitcoin hundred-aire
I've always been a bit confused about how exactly MyBitcoin did its marketing... they didn't have a forum presence, and they had been around since 2010.  The first mention of MyBitcoin on this forum was by Satoshi.  Did it spread through word of mouth? 
legendary
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Seriously, anyone who trusted mybitcoin with significant amount of coins deserved to lose them. Online wallets are good only if they are backed by a known company, and even then, I'd still use local wallets whenever possible.
legendary
Activity: 3080
Merit: 1080
I find this interesting..."The reason for this gag order was due to the high profile of the attacker in question, apparently an individual our law enforcement have been tracking for some many years" (from mybitcoin's website). It is possible the same person that hacked Tom's site hacked my wallet as well, but I/we have no way of knowing for sure.

Wtf is up with the Fresh Prince of Bel Air lyrics? Joke or his way of saying in an odd manner that he can't say anymore more on the subject?

Trolololol

Oh snap..major trolololol Smiley Well played Sir.
legendary
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lowercase 'L' instead of uppercase 'I' in the domain name.
Lol'd.

I got taken.
hero member
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Hero VIP ultra official trusted super staff puppet
I find this interesting..."The reason for this gag order was due to the high profile of the attacker in question, apparently an individual our law enforcement have been tracking for some many years" (from mybitcoin's website). It is possible the same person that hacked Tom's site hacked my wallet as well, but I/we have no way of knowing for sure.

Wtf is up with the Fresh Prince of Bel Air lyrics? Joke or his way of saying in an odd manner that he can't say anymore more on the subject?

Trolololol
hero member
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Hero VIP ultra official trusted super staff puppet
lowercase 'L' instead of uppercase 'I' in the domain name.

hehe. Party pooper.
legendary
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lowercase 'L' instead of uppercase 'I' in the domain name.
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