mybitcoin.com potential lawsuit - page 2.

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Quote from: compro01 on June 22, 2011, 10:21:22 AM

Quote from: CurbsideProphet on June 21, 2011, 08:29:25 PM

I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

i get really tired of this case getting dragged out as an example of frivolous lawsuits.

1. mcDs served their coffee at ridiculous temperatures, far higher than any other competing restaurant.
2. the woman originally sued for only her medical costs. the larger punitive damaged were added by the jury.
3. they had previously settled out of court on multiple similar cases.

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You put the balm on? Who told you to put the balm on? I didn't tell you to put the balm on. Why'd you put the balm on?

Quote from: compro01 on June 22, 2011, 12:51:20 PM

Quote from: BCEmporium on June 22, 2011, 12:37:27 PM

Quote from: compro01 on June 22, 2011, 12:27:43 PM

McDs served it at 88C, which will cause 3rd degree burns within seconds (and is thus undrinkable). a typical coffee maker holds the coffee at about 70C, resulting in a serving temperature of about 65C.

And you go sue someone over that?! A machine malfunction? Or expect the employee to have a thermometer with him?! Shocked

not a malfunction. they deliberately had it set that way.

Yes, because hotter coffee holds fresher for longer

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Quote from: BCEmporium on June 22, 2011, 12:37:27 PM

Quote from: compro01 on June 22, 2011, 12:27:43 PM

McDs served it at 88C, which will cause 3rd degree burns within seconds (and is thus undrinkable). a typical coffee maker holds the coffee at about 70C, resulting in a serving temperature of about 65C.

And you go sue someone over that?! A machine malfunction? Or expect the employee to have a thermometer with him?! Shocked

not a malfunction. they deliberately had it set that way.

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Quote from: BCEmporium on June 22, 2011, 12:37:27 PM

Quote from: compro01 on June 22, 2011, 12:27:43 PM

McDs served it at 88C, which will cause 3rd degree burns within seconds (and is thus undrinkable). a typical coffee maker holds the coffee at about 70C, resulting in a serving temperature of about 65C.

And you go sue someone over that?! A machine malfunction? Or expect the employee to have a thermometer with him?! Shocked

Well, one time I was talking with an American friend about those insane lawsuits. She told me her friend just had won 7000 USD out of a lawsuit against her neighbor. She sued the neighbor because the guy was fixing his roof and felt to her yard, breaking a glass and scared her cat.
Somehow I ended up with the feeling that US isn't in Earth, as by here when we see a neighbor down on our yard we call an ambulance, not a lawyer. But whatever, as long as it works for you... Roll Eyes

Some people now request their coffee to be 200F+. Coffee stands willing to serve coffee at this temp typically require a signed waiver from the customer.

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Quote from: compro01 on June 22, 2011, 10:21:22 AM

Quote from: CurbsideProphet on June 21, 2011, 08:29:25 PM

I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

i get really tired of this case getting dragged out as an example of frivolous lawsuits.

1. mcDs served their coffee at ridiculous temperatures, far higher than any other competing restaurant.
2. the woman originally sued for only her medical costs. the larger punitive damaged were added by the jury.
3. they had previously settled out of court on multiple similar cases.

1. She spilled the coffee on herself = her fault
2. She spilled the coffee on herself = her fault
3. They spilled the coffee on themselves = their fault

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Quote from: compro01 on June 22, 2011, 12:27:43 PM

McDs served it at 88C, which will cause 3rd degree burns within seconds (and is thus undrinkable). a typical coffee maker holds the coffee at about 70C, resulting in a serving temperature of about 65C.

And you go sue someone over that?! A machine malfunction? Or expect the employee to have a thermometer with him?! Shocked

Well, one time I was talking with an American friend about those insane lawsuits. She told me her friend just had won 7000 USD out of a lawsuit against her neighbor. She sued the neighbor because the guy was fixing his roof and felt to her yard, breaking a glass and scared her cat.
Somehow I ended up with the feeling that US isn't in Earth, as by here when we see a neighbor down on our yard we call an ambulance, not a lawyer. But whatever, as long as it works for you... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: dbitcoin on June 22, 2011, 10:49:06 AM

Quote from: compro01 on June 22, 2011, 10:21:22 AM

Quote from: CurbsideProphet on June 21, 2011, 08:29:25 PM

I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

i get really tired of this case getting dragged out as an example of frivolous lawsuits.

1. mcDs served their coffee at ridiculous temperatures, far higher than any other competing restaurant.

There is only two critical temperature for water (with normal atmospheric pressure) 100C and 0C.
So fresh and hot tea or coffee always less than 100C (85-90C).
Apparently other restaurants serving cold slush, saying that it is a good coffee?

McDs served it at 88C, which will cause 3rd degree burns within seconds (and is thus undrinkable). a typical coffee maker holds the coffee at about 70C, resulting in a serving temperature of about 65C.

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Stereo-typing, yep... looks like Americans should be under the slogan: «Born to sue something»
It apparently is their immediate response to anything: Sue it! Then just get an ambulance chaser and a bunch of wackos they call "jury" to do the rest of the job. Whatever, they're happy that way...

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Quote from: compro01 on June 22, 2011, 10:21:22 AM

Quote from: CurbsideProphet on June 21, 2011, 08:29:25 PM

I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

i get really tired of this case getting dragged out as an example of frivolous lawsuits.

1. mcDs served their coffee at ridiculous temperatures, far higher than any other competing restaurant.

There is only two critical temperature for water (with normal atmospheric pressure) 100C and 0C.
So fresh and hot tea or coffee always less than 100C (85-90C).
Apparently other restaurants serving cold slush, saying that it is a good coffee?

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Quote from: Clipse on June 21, 2011, 08:22:25 PM

Sorry for my stereo-typing but is this an american scheme to approach something?

Sue Sue SUE sue whenever something goes wrong, no matter who the guilty party all I keep hearing from americans is to sue the other party.

Not trying to derail this into a discussion about the merits of anarcho-capitalism // strong Libertarianism , but lawsuits and arbitration are about the only remedies one has in such a system. They could be used quite often.

I don't know what the contract stated, but there is definitely some basis for claiming negligence on MyBitcoin's part. But not likely because of where it is located as mentioned.

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My experience with mybitcoin.com is this:

If you accidentally double-spend to a merchant using the same mybitcoin.com address twice, the merchant won't get the 2nd payment, and mybitcoin.com won't return the overpayment to either you or the merchant.

Oh, plus it takes 3+ weeks to actually have any staff get back to you to tell you they're keeping them.

Ever since then I've kept a zero balance there.

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Regardless of password reuse, and them not forcing a password change, there is a much more severe liability issue: MyBitcoin had _no_ fraud prevention measures whatsoever. Hundreds of accounts getting all their funds withdrawn to the very same address at the same time should have been detected, especially after a known breach. There is no two factor auth. Basically there is _nothing_ that stops someone from stealing ALL funds when he has the passwords.

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Quote from: CurbsideProphet on June 21, 2011, 08:29:25 PM

I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

i get really tired of this case getting dragged out as an example of frivolous lawsuits.

1. mcDs served their coffee at ridiculous temperatures, far higher than any other competing restaurant.
2. the woman originally sued for only her medical costs. the larger punitive damaged were added by the jury.
3. they had previously settled out of court on multiple similar cases.

Clipse

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Quote from: CurbsideProphet on June 21, 2011, 08:29:25 PM

Quote from: Clipse on June 21, 2011, 08:22:25 PM

Sorry for my stereo-typing but is this an american scheme to approach something?

Sue Sue SUE sue whenever something goes wrong, no matter who the guilty party all I keep hearing from americans is to sue the other party.

Yes, unfortunately it's usually the course of action taken. But can you really blame people? I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

I actually can blame them, I constantly hear how they want less government in their lives however when something goes wrong they want to piggy back on the government and law suits.

Its time to grow up, face the problems and stop trying to divert it.

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Protect your investments or deal with the consequences. Perhaps, maybe don't store your funds in a free service online database? Seems like a logical thing NOT to do considering the past weeks circumstances with missing funds. What's worse is that now these forums have a flood of posts about people suggesting theft. In my opinion, it was theft to steal the database of MTGox. However, not changing your passwords if you were on the list (or maybe not even on the list) is just ignorant to your own good.

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I've never even heard of mybitcoin, but these sites need to increase their security so that they don't continue to have these hacking problems.

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Quote from: Clipse on June 21, 2011, 08:22:25 PM

Sorry for my stereo-typing but is this an american scheme to approach something?

Sue Sue SUE sue whenever something goes wrong, no matter who the guilty party all I keep hearing from americans is to sue the other party.

Yes, unfortunately it's usually the course of action taken. But can you really blame people? I mean, if you can win a lawsuit against McDonalds for burning yourself because they didn't state their coffee was hot, you can pretty much sue for anything.

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Sorry for my stereo-typing but is this an american scheme to approach something?

Sue Sue SUE sue whenever something goes wrong, no matter who the guilty party all I keep hearing from americans is to sue the other party.

Mybitcoin gave a fair warning on their FREE service website that have had no issues, still havnt got any except if you used your user/pass of mtgox on mybitcoin.com then OF FUCKING COURSE it will be usuable, wtf do you expect them to do? Delete your wallet/everyones wallet on mybitcoin.com just to be safe? If you did any research you would realise that mybitcoin.com also disabled access to accounts post-shitstorm-sunday.

Grow the fk up, this is getting rediculous.

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So, do they have class action suits in the West Indies?

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Quote from: GeniuSxBoY on June 21, 2011, 01:12:09 PM

See for yourself.
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20275.0

Interesting read, some people seem to had passwords different to their mtgox pass. I better withdraw my coins before the shit hits the fan (just in case).

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Funny that everyone who suffered in this incident used the same passwords at both places.

I bet those sueing will deny this now Roll Eyes

Can't blame mybitcoin for that.

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